Re: Remove old News entry from home page

2015-07-19 Thread Joram
Hi, Am 19.07.2015 um 09:21 schrieb David Kastrup: That nobody ever bothered to do so in all those years is one indicator that there is not much overlap between people wanting to use LilyPond and people wanting to use Markdown. I am one of this (perhaps small) intersection between Markdown and

Re: Remove old News entry from home page

2015-07-19 Thread David Kastrup
James Lowe p...@gnu.org writes: On 19/07/15 07:25, Federico Bruni wrote: Werner, I'm skipping your replies where you were implying that I was proposing to change the whole documentation system and not just the website. etc. OK so after all that, what can we do *today* to improve what the

Re: Remove old News entry from home page

2015-07-19 Thread Federico Bruni
Il giorno dom 19 lug 2015 alle 10:14, Federico Bruni f...@inventati.org ha scritto: Il giorno dom 19 lug 2015 alle 9:40, James Lowe p...@gnu.org ha scritto: OK so after all that, what can we do *today* to improve what the front page of the website looks like *now* without (for now) worrying

Re: Remove old News entry from home page

2015-07-19 Thread David Kastrup
Jean-Charles Malahieude lily...@orange.fr writes: Le 19/07/2015 08:25, Federico Bruni a écrit : texi2html is deprecated since 2011. It's still present in most distributions but I guess that it won't be there forever. For example, in Debian: https://wiki.debian.org/Texi2htmlTransition

Re: Remove old News entry from home page

2015-07-19 Thread Urs Liska
Am 19.07.2015 um 07:26 schrieb Werner LEMBERG: As a preliminary I want to mention that in general I can imagine that we separate the top-level entry page of lilypond.org from the texinfo system. Somewhere we could have a `doc' subdirectory, and from there on everything is generated with

Re: Remove old News entry from home page

2015-07-19 Thread James Lowe
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 19/07/15 07:25, Federico Bruni wrote: Werner, I'm skipping your replies where you were implying that I was proposing to change the whole documentation system and not just the website. etc. OK so after all that, what can we do *today* to

Re: Remove old News entry from home page

2015-07-19 Thread David Kastrup
Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org writes: As a preliminary I want to mention that in general I can imagine that we separate the top-level entry page of lilypond.org from the texinfo system. Somewhere we could have a `doc' subdirectory, and from there on everything is generated with texinfo as

Re: Remove old News entry from home page

2015-07-19 Thread David Kastrup
Federico Bruni f...@inventati.org writes: texi2html is deprecated since 2011. It's still present in most distributions but I guess that it won't be there forever. For example, in Debian: https://wiki.debian.org/Texi2htmlTransition https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2013/05/msg01516.html

Re: Remove old News entry from home page

2015-07-19 Thread Federico Bruni
Il giorno dom 19 lug 2015 alle 9:40, James Lowe p...@gnu.org ha scritto: OK so after all that, what can we do *today* to improve what the front page of the website looks like *now* without (for now) worrying about CSS and using different web tools and fretting over things that have not yet

Re: Remove old News entry from home page

2015-07-19 Thread Jean-Charles Malahieude
Le 19/07/2015 08:25, Federico Bruni a écrit : […] 2. We still depend on texi2html and the help request by Jean-Charles, who tried moving to texi2any, not surprisingly was ignored: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-devel/2015-05/msg00032.html [Werner] The `non surprisingly' is

Re: Remove old News entry from home page

2015-07-19 Thread David Kastrup
Joram joram.no...@gmx.de writes: Hi, Am 19.07.2015 um 09:21 schrieb David Kastrup: That nobody ever bothered to do so in all those years is one indicator that there is not much overlap between people wanting to use LilyPond and people wanting to use Markdown. I am one of this (perhaps

Re: Remove old News entry from home page

2015-07-19 Thread James Lowe
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Federico, On 19/07/15 09:25, Federico Bruni wrote: Il giorno dom 19 lug 2015 alle 10:14, Federico Bruni f...@inventati.org ha scritto: Il giorno dom 19 lug 2015 alle 9:40, James Lowe p...@gnu.org ha scritto: OK so after all that, what can we

Re: Remove old News entry from home page

2015-07-19 Thread Federico Bruni
Il giorno dom 19 lug 2015 alle 10:46, James Lowe p...@gnu.org ha scritto: You have just proved my point. I said: ... OK so after all that, what can we do *today* to improve what the front page of the website looks like *now* without (for now) worrying about CSS ... I.e just content. Moving

Re: Remove old News entry from home page

2015-07-19 Thread Federico Bruni
Il giorno dom 19 lug 2015 alle 10:14, Federico Bruni f...@inventati.org ha scritto: a slider of examples, instead of a long list (as the current examples page), would be nice but it requires more work on CSS I just made a nice simple slider (few lines of CSS) by following this tutorial:

Re: Remove old News entry from home page

2015-07-19 Thread David Kastrup
Federico Bruni f...@inventati.org writes: Il giorno dom 19 lug 2015 alle 10:14, Federico Bruni f...@inventati.org ha scritto: a slider of examples, instead of a long list (as the current examples page), would be nice but it requires more work on CSS I just made a nice simple slider (few

Re: Remove old News entry from home page

2015-07-19 Thread Federico Bruni
Werner, I'm skipping your replies where you were implying that I was proposing to change the whole documentation system and not just the website. Il giorno dom 19 lug 2015 alle 7:26, Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org ha scritto: 1. All the persons who built the lilypond build system left the

Re: Remove old News entry from home page

2015-07-19 Thread Federico Bruni
Il giorno dom 19 lug 2015 alle 0:58, Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org ha scritto: But it *is* a problem that changing anything on the website is such an involved process - both in terms of the used infrastructure *and* in terms of the review process. This *is* scaring away people who would be

Re: CG manual, pushing to staging

2015-07-19 Thread James Lowe
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello On 18/07/15 18:47, David Kastrup wrote: Benkő Pál benko@gmail.com writes: 2015-07-18 17:57 GMT+02:00 Federico Bruni f...@inventati.org: What do you think about these instructions?

Re: CG manual, pushing to staging

2015-07-19 Thread James Lowe
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 18/07/15 18:05, Federico Bruni wrote: Il giorno sab 18 lug 2015 alle 18:33, Benkő Pál benko@gmail.com ha scritto: 3. I don't like much the `git merge` approach suggested for those who work with local branches, as the git log is a bit

Re: Remove old News entry from home page

2015-07-19 Thread Werner LEMBERG
Quoting myself, tool for the website only seems pretty clear: Not at all. The `website' is *everything* addressed by lilypond.org. You are talking about the top-level page only, I now suppose. Werner ___ lilypond-devel mailing list

Re: Remove old News entry from home page

2015-07-19 Thread Werner LEMBERG
There will be a pressing need to move to texi2any quite soon, otherwise LilyPond may be removed from the distro repository. Well, having guile 2.0 is *far* more important! And only David is working on this... Here, I not only have no time, but I also don't have any knowledge :-( Werner

Re: Remove old News entry from home page

2015-07-19 Thread Federico Bruni
Il giorno dom 19 lug 2015 alle 11:44, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org ha scritto: If I understand correctly, one point of CSS should be graceful degradation: if your browser does not support something, the content will just get displayed like without the CSS. The graceful degradation would require

Re: Remove old News entry from home page

2015-07-19 Thread David Kastrup
Federico Bruni f...@inventati.org writes: Il giorno dom 19 lug 2015 alle 11:44, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org ha scritto: If I understand correctly, one point of CSS should be graceful degradation: if your browser does not support something, the content will just get displayed like without the

Re: Remove old News entry from home page

2015-07-19 Thread Federico Bruni
Il giorno dom 19 lug 2015 alle 14:02, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org ha scritto: I was talking about use CSS3 features as long as the behavior when those are not supported still makes sense. it wouldn't make sense I guess that you would see just the first image of the slider, there would be no

Re: Remove old News entry from home page

2015-07-19 Thread Federico Bruni
Il giorno dom 19 lug 2015 alle 12:43, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org ha scritto: The graceful degradation would require some external javascript library like jquery... Seriously? That would be another unexpected dollar in my can standard committee engineers really be that stupid account. I

Re: Remove old News entry from home page

2015-07-19 Thread Joram
Hi David, Am 19.07.2015 um 10:37 schrieb David Kastrup: Is this something we should try integrating with lilypond-book? I basically tried to reproduce lilypond-book on markdown for my purposes. So before the usual md - html conversion is done, the ly snippet is compiled by lilypond and replaced

Re: Remove old News entry from home page

2015-07-19 Thread David Kastrup
Federico Bruni f...@inventati.org writes: Il giorno dom 19 lug 2015 alle 12:43, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org ha scritto: The graceful degradation would require some external javascript library like jquery... Seriously? That would be another unexpected dollar in my can standard committee

Re: Remove old News entry from home page

2015-07-19 Thread David Kastrup
Joram joram.no...@gmx.de writes: Am 19.07.2015 um 10:37 schrieb David Kastrup: I seem to remember that Henning similarly did some LilyPond integration into Context and don't think that this is general knowledge. This means compared to lilypond-book, one only has to compile it once with

Re: Remove old News entry from home page

2015-07-19 Thread David Kastrup
Federico Bruni f...@inventati.org writes: Il giorno dom 19 lug 2015 alle 14:02, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org ha scritto: I was talking about use CSS3 features as long as the behavior when those are not supported still makes sense. it wouldn't make sense I guess that you would see just the

Re: Issue 4495 Remove unnecessary #{ .. #} constructs (issue 253310043 by tdanielsmu...@googlemail.com)

2015-07-19 Thread David Kastrup
Trevor Daniels t.dani...@treda.co.uk writes: d...@gnu.org wrote Saturday, July 18, 2015 11:02 PM One thing that you have to be aware of is that #{ \music #} is not equivalent to music but rather to (ly:music-deep-copy music (*location*)) since it creates a copy of the music and puts the

Re: Doc: NR add @knownissues for Percent Repeats (issue 250530043 by pkx1...@gmail.com)

2015-07-19 Thread dak
https://codereview.appspot.com/250530043/diff/1/Documentation/notation/repeats.itely File Documentation/notation/repeats.itely (right): https://codereview.appspot.com/250530043/diff/1/Documentation/notation/repeats.itely#newcode769 Documentation/notation/repeats.itely:769: @q{timing track}.

Re: Remove old News entry from home page

2015-07-19 Thread Federico Bruni
Il giorno dom 19 lug 2015 alle 16:22, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org ha scritto: Tell you what: I'm probably the Nineties user. That GIF annoys me because it does not allow me to look at stuff as long as I need. I'd probably have a similar problem with a Slider (which presumably adds animation to

Re: Issue 4495 Remove unnecessary #{ .. #} constructs (issue 253310043 by tdanielsmu...@googlemail.com)

2015-07-19 Thread Trevor Daniels
d...@gnu.org wrote Saturday, July 18, 2015 11:02 PM One thing that you have to be aware of is that #{ \music #} is not equivalent to music but rather to (ly:music-deep-copy music (*location*)) since it creates a copy of the music and puts the point-and-click information to the call of the

Re: Remove old News entry from home page

2015-07-19 Thread David Kastrup
Federico Bruni f...@inventati.org writes: Il giorno dom 19 lug 2015 alle 14:31, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org ha scritto: Federico Bruni f...@inventati.org writes: Il giorno dom 19 lug 2015 alle 14:02, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org ha scritto: I was talking about use CSS3 features as long as

Doc: Usage - OOoLilyPond only works up to v4 (issue 255280043 by pkx1...@gmail.com)

2015-07-19 Thread tdanielsmusic
https://codereview.appspot.com/255280043/diff/1/Documentation/usage/external.itely File Documentation/usage/external.itely (right): https://codereview.appspot.com/255280043/diff/1/Documentation/usage/external.itely#newcode726 Documentation/usage/external.itely:726: OpenOffice.org extension that

Re: Doc: NR add @knownissues for Percent Repeats (issue 250530043 by pkx1...@gmail.com)

2015-07-19 Thread pkx166h
hang on, let me try one more time. :/ https://codereview.appspot.com/250530043/ ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel

Re: Remove old News entry from home page

2015-07-19 Thread David Kastrup
Federico Bruni f...@inventati.org writes: Il giorno dom 19 lug 2015 alle 16:22, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org ha scritto: Tell you what: I'm probably the Nineties user. That GIF annoys me because it does not allow me to look at stuff as long as I need. I'd probably have a similar problem with

Re: Issue 4495 Remove unnecessary #{ .. #} constructs (issue 253310043 by tdanielsmu...@googlemail.com)

2015-07-19 Thread tdanielsmusic
Thanks David https://codereview.appspot.com/253310043/diff/1/ly/staff-tkit.ly File ly/staff-tkit.ly (right): https://codereview.appspot.com/253310043/diff/1/ly/staff-tkit.ly#newcode60 ly/staff-tkit.ly:60: #(if dynUp On 2015/07/18 22:02:54, dak wrote: elseif cascades are bad to read in

Re: Doc: Usage - OOoLilyPond only works up to v4 (issue 255280043 by pkx1...@gmail.com)

2015-07-19 Thread pkx166h
On 2015/07/19 18:43:33, Trevor Daniels wrote: https://codereview.appspot.com/255280043/diff/1/Documentation/usage/external.itely File Documentation/usage/external.itely (right): https://codereview.appspot.com/255280043/diff/1/Documentation/usage/external.itely#newcode726

Doc: NR add @knownissues for Percent Repeats (issue 250530043 by pkx1...@gmail.com)

2015-07-19 Thread tdanielsmusic
https://codereview.appspot.com/250530043/diff/1/Documentation/notation/repeats.itely File Documentation/notation/repeats.itely (right): https://codereview.appspot.com/250530043/diff/1/Documentation/notation/repeats.itely#newcode764 Documentation/notation/repeats.itely:764: @knownissues

Re: Doc: NR add @knownissues for Percent Repeats (issue 250530043 by pkx1...@gmail.com)

2015-07-19 Thread dak
On 2015/07/19 19:35:56, J_lowe wrote: https://codereview.appspot.com/250530043/diff/1/Documentation/notation/repeats.itely File Documentation/notation/repeats.itely (right): https://codereview.appspot.com/250530043/diff/1/Documentation/notation/repeats.itely#newcode764

mentoring opportunity: anybody claiming to care about the website

2015-07-19 Thread Graham Percival
Add weight to your opinions by showing that you're not afraid of getting your hands dirty. texi2html is a vital part of the documentation. It's currently used for the website as well, but that is almost incidental to its use for the rest of the documentation.

Re: Doc: NR add @knownissues for Percent Repeats (issue 250530043 by pkx1...@gmail.com)

2015-07-19 Thread pkx166h
Reviewers: Trevor Daniels, dak, Message: On 2015/07/19 18:56:10, Trevor Daniels wrote: https://codereview.appspot.com/250530043/diff/1/Documentation/notation/repeats.itely File Documentation/notation/repeats.itely (right):

Re: Doc: NR add @knownissues for Percent Repeats (issue 250530043 by pkx1...@gmail.com)

2015-07-19 Thread pkx166h
https://codereview.appspot.com/250530043/diff/1/Documentation/notation/repeats.itely File Documentation/notation/repeats.itely (right): https://codereview.appspot.com/250530043/diff/1/Documentation/notation/repeats.itely#newcode764 Documentation/notation/repeats.itely:764: @knownissues On

Re: Remove old News entry from home page

2015-07-19 Thread Federico Bruni
Il giorno dom 19 lug 2015 alle 16:42, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org ha scritto: We can just display a small gallery. You can click to show the respective image in a frame, and if JavaScript is available, this can be done on hovering over the thumb. That leaves the control with the user and

Re: Remove old News entry from home page

2015-07-19 Thread Henning Hraban Ramm
Am 2015-07-19 um 17:36 schrieb Joram joram.no...@gmx.de: I seem to remember that Henning similarly did some LilyPond integration into Context and don't think that this is general knowledge. This means compared to lilypond-book, one only has to compile it once with context and not in two

Re: Remove old News entry from home page

2015-07-19 Thread Henning Hraban Ramm
Am 2015-07-19 um 14:37 schrieb David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: I seem to remember that Henning similarly did some LilyPond integration into Context and don't think that this is general knowledge. Probably not, but ConTeXt at all is not really general knowledge ;) But users who manage the learning

Re: Remove old News entry from home page

2015-07-19 Thread Paul Morris
On Jul 19, 2015, at 4:14 AM, Federico Bruni f...@inventati.org wrote: a slider of examples, instead of a long list (as the current examples page), would be nice but it requires more work on CSS It’s worth mentioning that there are a lot of web designers who think that sliders / carousels