Re: GOP-PROP 13: patch management tools

2011-12-07 Thread olafBuddenhagen
Hi, On Thu, Dec 01, 2011 at 01:55:15AM +0100, Reinhold Kainhofer wrote: KDE uses reviewboard... Until a few years ago, patch reviews were only done for patches by newcomers, and that went over the mailing lists. But now more and more features are reviewed on reviewboard. Well, it doesn't

Trashy Novels (was: GOP-PROP 13: patch management tools)

2011-11-30 Thread olafBuddenhagen
Hi, On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 11:18:40PM +0100, Graham Percival wrote: Think of the question in marriage ceremonies: if anybody knows of a reason why these two should not be wed, speak now or forever hold your peace.. Despite what one reads[1] in trashy romance novels, that question is

Re: GOP-PROP 13: patch management tools

2011-11-30 Thread olafBuddenhagen
Hi, On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 11:23:10AM +0200, m...@apollinemike.com wrote: I don't know anything about open source projects outside of LilyPond, but could someone branched into other GNU projects perhaps collect this sort of info? Having participated in or followed a number of free software

Re: GOP-PROP 13: patch management tools

2011-11-30 Thread Reinhold Kainhofer
On 2011-11-30 23:27, olafbuddenha...@gmx.net wrote: Having participated in or followed a number of free software projects (both GNU and other) over the years, I don't know of *any* besides LilyPond that uses a dedicated patch review tool. (Including the very largest ones, such as Linux or GCC.)

Re: GOP-PROP 13: patch management tools

2011-11-30 Thread Alex Austin
Openocd has been using gerrit for a month now. You can go to openocd.zylin.com to see how it's being used, and read the HACKING file in the source tree to see how it should be used. On Nov 30, 2011 5:52 PM, olafbuddenha...@gmx.net wrote: Hi, On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 11:23:10AM +0200,

Re: GOP-PROP 13: patch management tools (probable withdraw)

2011-09-25 Thread Janek Warchoł
2011/9/24 Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca: I don't see this proposal (really more of a set of musings) going anywhere. There's been a bunch of ideas: - tool X, tool Y - make better use of our current tools - do a survey of what other projects do but nothing has made a

Re: GOP-PROP 13: patch management tools (probable withdraw)

2011-09-25 Thread Graham Percival
On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 08:18:27AM +0100, Peekay Ex wrote: 1 Devs who put up a Rietveld put up a tracker too and use the *exact* same title (even if it is very cryptic) the description can be simply the link to the Rietveld URL. Dead horse. If I had spent *one quarter* as much time writing

Re: GOP-PROP 13: patch management tools (probable withdraw)

2011-09-25 Thread Colin Campbell
On 11-09-25 03:57 AM, Janek Warchoł wrote: 2011/9/24 Graham Percivalgra...@percival-music.ca: I don't see this proposal (really more of a set of musings) going anywhere. There's been a bunch of ideas: - tool X, tool Y - make better use of our current tools - do a survey of what other

Re: GOP-PROP 13: patch management tools (probable withdraw)

2011-09-25 Thread Janek Warchoł
2011/9/25 Colin Campbell c...@shaw.ca: FWIW, Janek's bit above is just what I've been saying, and I believe it is also what James has been suggesting.  The meta-problem seemas to be that there are developers who see the world as patches submitte4d and discussed by email, and there are Frogs,

Re: GOP-PROP 13: patch management tools (probable withdraw)

2011-09-25 Thread Graham Percival
On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 10:53:13PM +0200, Janek Warchoł wrote: I can't see why locating and implementing a code management system which handles the process as well as centralising the discussion, is a Bad Thing. I don't suppose that he meant it's a bad thing. I think Graham's concern is

GOP-PROP 13: patch management tools (probable withdraw)

2011-09-24 Thread Graham Percival
I don't see this proposal (really more of a set of musings) going anywhere. There's been a bunch of ideas: - tool X, tool Y - make better use of our current tools - do a survey of what other projects do but nothing has made a significant amount of people go yeah, that the right direction to

Re: GOP-PROP 13: patch management tools (probable withdraw)

2011-09-24 Thread Peekay Ex
Hello, On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 8:01 AM, Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca wrote: I don't see this proposal (really more of a set of musings) going anywhere.  There's been a bunch of ideas:  - tool X, tool Y  - make better use of our current tools  - do a survey of what other projects

Re: GOP-PROP 13: patch management tools

2011-09-22 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
Graham Percival writes: Yep. I'd describe it as three websites It's a royal mess. There is some value in having issues.google.com than only a bugs mailing list, but there is indeed also a cost. Any ideas on how to deal with people who only want to deal with email? We may want to have a

Re: GOP-PROP 13: patch management tools

2011-09-22 Thread m...@apollinemike.com
On Sep 22, 2011, at 10:49 AM, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote: Graham Percival writes: Yep. I'd describe it as three websites It's a royal mess. There is some value in having issues.google.com than only a bugs mailing list, but there is indeed also a cost. Any ideas on how to deal with

Re: GOP-PROP 13: patch management tools

2011-09-22 Thread Graham Percival
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 10:49:56AM +0200, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote: Graham Percival writes: Any ideas on how to deal with people who only want to deal with email? We may want to have a look at the new http://bugs.gnu.org , an implementation of debbugs. Hmm, clunky user interface. My

Re: GOP-PROP 13: patch management tools

2011-09-22 Thread Janek Warchoł
2011/9/22 Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca: On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 10:49:56AM +0200, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote: Graham Percival writes: Any ideas on how to deal with people who only want to deal with email? We may want to have a look at the new http://bugs.gnu.org , an

Re: GOP-PROP 13: patch management tools

2011-09-21 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 09:32:55AM +0100, Trevor Daniels wrote: Graham Percival wrote Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:09 AM * 1-5 hours: automatically switch any Patch-review to Patch-needs_work if there are any non-LGTM comments. Hmm. There are often comments which don't

Re: GOP-PROP 13: patch management tools

2011-09-21 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 09:04:39PM +0200, Janek Warchoł wrote: My impression is that the main problem is the duplicancy of data and e-mail threads. Over and over again i'm getting lost, for example: I can't see that going away. - email is the most convenient option for quick discussion -

Re: GOP-PROP 13: patch management tools

2011-09-21 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 07:05:04AM -0600, Colin Campbell wrote: The remaining case is where there are no comments when a countdown expires. I've been taking that as silence implying consent, but with no assurance that anyone has actually reviewed the patch. Yes, that's correct. Think of the

Re: GOP-PROP 13: patch management tools

2011-09-21 Thread Colin Campbell
On 11-09-21 04:13 PM, Graham Percival wrote: On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 09:04:39PM +0200, Janek Warchoł wrote: My impression is that the main problem is the duplicancy of data and e-mail threads. Over and over again i'm getting lost, for example: I can't see that going away. - email is the most

Re: GOP-PROP 13: patch management tools

2011-09-21 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 9/21/11 9:25 PM, Colin Campbell c...@shaw.ca wrote: On 11-09-21 04:13 PM, Graham Percival wrote: On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 09:04:39PM +0200, Janek Warchoł wrote: One thing comes to my mind: there is some code revieving tool on Google Code. I remember that i saw it being used in some other

Re: GOP-PROP 13: patch management tools

2011-09-21 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 09:25:45PM -0600, Colin Campbell wrote: I'm solidly with Janek here, Graham. As it sits, a person wanting to follow the trail of a (bug/issue/enhancement request) has to find the thing on two separate web-sites, where developers log in despite your comment above, using

Re: GOP-PROP 13: patch management tools

2011-09-20 Thread Trevor Daniels
Graham Percival wrote Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:09 AM 1. Find a different patch management tool 2. Find a different patch and issue management tool 3. Write a few python scripts to make our lives better I favor the last option. So do I * 1-5 hours: automatically switch any

Re: GOP-PROP 13: patch management tools

2011-09-20 Thread Colin Campbell
On 11-09-20 02:32 AM, Trevor Daniels wrote: Graham Percival wrote Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:09 AM 1. Find a different patch management tool 2. Find a different patch and issue management tool 3. Write a few python scripts to make our lives better I favor the last option. So do I

Re: GOP-PROP 13: patch management tools

2011-09-20 Thread Janek Warchoł
2011/9/20 Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca: On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 02:08:42AM +0200, Reinhold Kainhofer wrote: Am Tuesday, 20. September 2011, 01:09:20 schrieb Graham Percival: ** Different patch and issue managment tools     * 1-3 hours: write a script that checks that every

GOP-PROP 13: patch management tools

2011-09-19 Thread Graham Percival
Appropriately enough for “unlucky” number 13, this proposal is not well-prepared. However, I’m bringing it forward in in the interest of transparency and possibly gathering momentum. http://lilypond.org/~graham/gop/gop_13.html ** Proposal summary There is a fair amount of confusion with the

Re: GOP-PROP 13: patch management tools

2011-09-19 Thread Reinhold Kainhofer
Am Tuesday, 20. September 2011, 01:09:20 schrieb Graham Percival: ** Different patch and issue managment tools I have only looked at a few code review tools... * http://code.google.com/p/gerrit/: appears to be a fork of Rietveld. Not certain about hosting. While gerrit is tailored

Re: GOP-PROP 13: patch management tools

2011-09-19 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 02:08:42AM +0200, Reinhold Kainhofer wrote: Am Tuesday, 20. September 2011, 01:09:20 schrieb Graham Percival: ** Different patch and issue managment tools * 1-3 hours: write a script that checks that every Patch-new can apply to master, compiles correctly,

Re: GOP-PROP 13: patch management tools

2011-09-19 Thread Colin Campbell
On 11-09-19 06:25 PM, Graham Percival wrote: On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 02:08:42AM +0200, Reinhold Kainhofer wrote: Am Tuesday, 20. September 2011, 01:09:20 schrieb Graham Percival: ** Different patch and issue managment tools * 1-3 hours: write a script that checks that every Patch-new