Lilypond patchy and other Lilypond problems

2012-04-26 Thread Łukasz Czerwiński
Wooow, a lot of emails were posted in the last 24 hours :) I'll try to comment all your important thoughts, but it's possible that I miss one or two... Anyway: On 26 April 2012 07:28, Graham Percival wrote: > > Some people encourage new contributors. I encourage new > contributors who want to

Re: Lilypond patchy and other Lilypond problems

2012-04-26 Thread James
Hello, 2012/4/26 Łukasz Czerwiński : ... > > On 26 April 2012 09:05, James  wrote: >> >> >> I've run patchy-test just now for the three patches outstanding this >> morning. It's no a big deal, I've just never got round to running the >> patchy-test scripts (well since the scripts were very first

Re: Lilypond patchy and other Lilypond problems

2012-04-26 Thread Łukasz Czerwiński
Hello, On 26 April 2012 21:38, James wrote: > No problem, but it doesn't mean that you can just do some code and > throw it up for review without ANY basic testing your side, it should > apply to current tree and it should also pass a basic 'make'. > Yes, before uploading a patch I make sure t

Re: Lilypond patchy and other Lilypond problems

2012-04-26 Thread James
Hello, 2012/4/26 Łukasz Czerwiński : > > Well, LilyDev won't help me - on the server exists an already installed > system (Linux). > > As for Virtualbox, I believe, that without having admin rights I can't > install it - correct me if I'm wrong. Well I'm not a *NIX admin - I do have to use 'sudo

Re: Lilypond patchy and other Lilypond problems

2012-04-26 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: Łukasz Czerwiński To: James Cc: m...@apollinemike.com ; k-ohara5...@oco.net ; David Kastrup ; lilypond-devel@gnu.org Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 7:41 PM Subject: Lilypond patchy and other Lilypond problems Still requires 'someone' to 'do

Re: Lilypond patchy and other Lilypond problems

2012-04-27 Thread David Kastrup
"Phil Holmes" writes: > OK. Regtest checking can mean three things. 1) Between releases, > comparing the output of the regtests with what they looked like before > and flagging any differences as potential problems. I do this. 2) > Doing the same thing for patches. Patchy does this, helped b

Re: Lilypond patchy and other Lilypond problems

2012-04-27 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 10:28:54AM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: > There is no reason whatsoever that this should only be done by a single > person. Totally! > I would expect that _every_ person contributing more than two > patches per month should be able, after uploading a patch, to be running >

Re: Lilypond patchy and other Lilypond problems

2012-04-27 Thread David Kastrup
Graham Percival writes: > Then we'll have hard numbers on which developers are abusing the > process. I mean, sure, we all know whose patches tend to be great > and whose patches tend to be problematic... but a completely > automated, objective approach would remove any personal bias. And those

Re: Lilypond patchy and other Lilypond problems

2012-04-28 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 11:14:23AM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: > Graham Percival writes: > > > Then we'll have hard numbers on which developers are abusing the > > process. I mean, sure, we all know whose patches tend to be great > > and whose patches tend to be problematic... but a completely >

Re: Lilypond patchy and other Lilypond problems

2012-04-28 Thread David Kastrup
Graham Percival writes: > On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 11:14:23AM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: >> Graham Percival writes: >> >> > Then we'll have hard numbers on which developers are abusing the >> > process. I mean, sure, we all know whose patches tend to be great >> > and whose patches tend to be

Re: Lilypond patchy and other Lilypond problems

2012-04-28 Thread Graham Percival
On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 10:13:50AM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: > In fact, if you have to > do half a dozen of iterations before getting things actually right on > the somewhat more than superficial level provided by our tests, you'll > have gained lots of good Karma on the road. I was thinking tha

Re: Lilypond patchy and other Lilypond problems

2012-04-28 Thread David Kastrup
Graham Percival writes: > On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 10:13:50AM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: >> In fact, if you have to >> do half a dozen of iterations before getting things actually right on >> the somewhat more than superficial level provided by our tests, you'll >> have gained lots of good Karma

Re: Lilypond patchy and other Lilypond problems

2012-04-28 Thread Łukasz Czerwiński
On 28 April 2012 10:30, Graham Percival wrote: > As long as I'm not personally playing nursemaid for people > who don't run the basic tests It seems that the whole talk about running tests is only because of me not running them before uploading my first patches because I didn't know that I shou

Re: Lilypond patchy and other Lilypond problems

2012-04-28 Thread Łukasz Czerwiński
On 26 April 2012 20:41, Łukasz Czerwiński wrote: > > Mike, Graham and David wrote about more or less automatic running of tests > and presenting only the results, possibly on an unused computer. > > I realised that I have a server on Dreamhost that probably could be such a > computer - there is u

Re: Lilypond patchy and other Lilypond problems

2012-04-28 Thread James
Hello, On 28 April 2012 23:18, Łukasz Czerwiński wrote: > On 28 April 2012 10:30, Graham Percival wrote: >> >> As long as I'm not personally playing nursemaid for people >> who don't run the basic tests > > > It seems that the whole talk about running tests is only because of me not > running th

Re: Lilypond patchy and other Lilypond problems

2012-04-28 Thread James
Hello, > How much CPU time and memory would regtests consume? Depends on how many CPUs you can allocate. You can run reg tests on 1 CPU or xCPUs. You explicitly state the number in your make command 'make -j7 CPU_COUNT=7' test will use 7 CPUs 'make test' just uses 1 CPU (even if you have more

Re: Lilypond patchy and other Lilypond problems

2012-04-28 Thread David Kastrup
Łukasz Czerwiński writes: > On 28 April 2012 10:30, Graham Percival > wrote: > > As long as I'm not personally playing nursemaid for people > who don't run the basic tests > >   > It seems that the whole talk about running tests is only because of me > not running them before uploading m