Re: Newbie problems

2013-04-15 Thread James Harkins
David Kastrup gnu.org> writes: > > FWIW, I started out by using emacs to edit my Lilypond files, but > > found problems. Auto-indentation was hit or miss, and the > > auto-completion dictionary has some major gaps. > > Uh, it is generated from LilyPond's own source files, so you should > probabl

Re: Frescobaldi fails on lilydev and RHEL Server 6.2 64 bits

2013-04-15 Thread Jacques Menu
Now tried CenOS 6.4 32 bit, since that will probably be my longterm Linux dev platform, with: menu@centos:~/frescobaldi-2.0.9 > uname -a Linux centos 2.6.32-358.el6.i686 #1 SMP Thu Feb 21 21:50:49 UTC 2013 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux menu@centos:~/frescobaldi-2.0.9 > python Python 2.6.6 (r266:8429

Re: Newbie problems

2013-04-15 Thread David Kastrup
James Harkins < jamshar...@gmail.com> writes: > David Kastrup gnu.org> writes: > >> When using Emacs, C-h i is just two keystrokes away.No need to reserve >> additional space for the info manual. > > Because C-x b is the most fun in the world... Uh, no? C-h i goes to info, q exits it again but

Re: Newbie problems

2013-04-15 Thread James Harkins
David Kastrup gnu.org> writes: > When using Emacs, C-h i is just two keystrokes away.No need to reserve > additional space for the info manual. Because C-x b is the most fun in the world... Frescobaldi has a tabbed panel to the right, which displays the generated PDF by default. The other tab b

Re: Newbie problems

2013-04-15 Thread David Kastrup
David Rogers writes: > David Kastrup writes: > >> It would likely be worth it to have an Emacs window open just for >> reading the documentation... > > (... Good point; I'll reserve a space for it on my desktop...) :) Be sure to make yourself acquainted with info mode (in particular, the i and

Re: Newbie problems

2013-04-15 Thread David Rogers
David Kastrup writes: > It would likely be worth it to have an Emacs window open just for > reading the documentation... (... Good point; I'll reserve a space for it on my desktop...) :) -- David R ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.or

Re: Newbie problems

2013-04-15 Thread Federico Bruni
2013/4/15 Peter Toye > One problem I'm having is that it's not easy to find things in the > documentation. As with all language systems,. you spend an awful lot of > time searching. Some search tips: 1. use the index of each manual and search the best keywords that come to your mind. Be aw

Re: creating a rhythm click track

2013-04-15 Thread Johan Vromans
Paul Malcolm writes: > Or maybe there is a much simpler better way to do this ? I often do this with music that has a chords track. makeUnfold = #(define-music-function (parser location name mus) (ly:music? ly:music?) (let ((r (make-repeated-music "unfold"))) (set! (ly:music-property r '

Re: Newbie problems

2013-04-15 Thread Nick Payne
On 16/04/13 01:00, Paul Morris wrote: On Apr 15, 2013, at 10:48 AM, Peter Toye > wrote: One problem I'm having is that it's not easy to find things in the documentation. As with all language systems,. you spend an awful lot of time searching. I have had good lu

Re: markup question: combineParts

2013-04-15 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: "Harry Plantinga" To: Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 7:43 PM Subject: markup question: combineParts I'm a lilypond newbie and I have a markup question that I can't figure out from the documentation. I'd like to combine two vocal parts, say Soprano and Alto,

Re: Newbie problems

2013-04-15 Thread David Kastrup
David Rogers writes: > David Kastrup writes: > >> When using Emacs, C-h i is just two keystrokes away. No need to >> reserve additional space for the info manual. > > You're right - I didn't think of that, because I didn't have Emacs > when I started using Lilypond. I still haven't made the swi

markup question: combineParts

2013-04-15 Thread Harry Plantinga
I'm a lilypond newbie and I have a markup question that I can't figure out from the documentation. I'd like to combine two vocal parts, say Soprano and Alto, on a single staff, but the combineParts function only puts one stem on a note when there is a collision. I'd like to have both up and do

Re: Newbie problems

2013-04-15 Thread David Rogers
David Kastrup writes: > When using Emacs, C-h i is just two keystrokes away. No need to reserve > additional space for the info manual. You're right - I didn't think of that, because I didn't have Emacs when I started using Lilypond. I still haven't made the switch, though I would prefer to. -

Re: Newbie problems

2013-04-15 Thread David Kastrup
David Rogers writes: > Peter Toye writes: > >> Thank you all very much for your help. It's not the most intuitive >> user interface (or should that be language?), and I've only been >> trying it out for a few hours, so I'm coming up with all sorts of >> silly issues. >> >> One problem I'm having

Re: Newbie problems

2013-04-15 Thread David Rogers
Peter Toye writes: > Thank you all very much for your help. It's not the most intuitive > user interface (or should that be language?), and I've only been > trying it out for a few hours, so I'm coming up with all sorts of > silly issues. > > One problem I'm having is that it's not easy to find t

Re: Newbie problems

2013-04-15 Thread Wim van Dommelen
Hi Joram, But that alone doesn't always work, some email programs jump in, they see this extra indentation and "patch" it. So when you send out a nicely fit message, my email program (standard/default Apple OS X mail) scrambles it (and if "needed" again). Not a problem for me, but as you

Re: all invisible bar lines reading as break in lilypond-book

2013-04-15 Thread Julien Rioux
On 21/03/2013 1:33 AM, Timothy Heckenlively wrote: I recently upgraded to OSX Mountain Lion and suddenly encountered a technical problem with lilypond-book. All of the invisible bar lines ( \bar "") in my .lytex file are suddenly processing as full breaks. Has anyone heard of this bug or of a way

Re: [Spam??] creating a rhythm click track

2013-04-15 Thread Trevor Daniels
Paul Malcolm wrote Monday, April 15, 2013 1:36 PM > I am trying to create a rhythm "click track" > > i have attached an example. This is just a melody and a drum on the quaver > click. > This doesn't seem to work. The drum clicks then goes very quiet. Probably because you've placed the DrumS

Re: Help with espressivo adjustments

2013-04-15 Thread Thomas Morley
2013/4/13 Janek Warchoł : > This excellent! it's premium material for extending manual - could > you post it as a patch? If you don't have time to texinfo it, let's > at least add an issue to the tracker. > > Janek Hi Janek, for some time I'm thinking about writing a tutorial about overriding s

Re: Lyrics both above and below the staff with splits?

2013-04-15 Thread Thomas Morley
2013/4/14 Avi Drissman : > So that's how you re-use a Lyrics. That works, but is a bit ugly in that you > have to create new voices over and over. So I tried re-using a voice using > that \context trick How about using separate voices: \version "2.16.1" altonotesUp = \relative c' { s1*3 s2

Re: Newbie problems

2013-04-15 Thread Paul Morris
On Apr 15, 2013, at 10:48 AM, Peter Toye wrote: > One problem I'm having is that it's not easy to find things in the > documentation. As with all language systems,. you spend an awful lot of time > searching. I have had good luck searching the Notation Reference index page (using your br

Re: [Spam??] Re: Newbie problems

2013-04-15 Thread Trevor Daniels
Peter Toye wrote Monday, April 15, 2013 3:48 PM > One problem I'm having is that it's not easy to find things in the > documentation. As with all language systems,. you spend an awful lot of time > searching. With well over 1000 pages I guess that's not too surprising. The index is not c

Re: Newbie problems

2013-04-15 Thread Shane Brandes
Searching yields far more benefits than wasted time. You will tangentially touch upon all manner of other really useful abilities in Lilypond when looking for something you are after. And as Mr. Kastrup pointed out, if you simply Google something it is helpful to include the version number you are

Re: Newbie problems

2013-04-15 Thread Noeck
> It is annoying, but part of our digital life. I don't think we will ever > get rid of this, get used to it. That's why I deviate from the usual indentation for this mailing list and put an extra space in front of the << and >> signs (or I add additional intent of one space): << \relative c

Re: Newbie problems

2013-04-15 Thread Peter Toye
Thank you all very much for your help. It's not the most intuitive user interface (or should that be language?), and I've only been trying it out for a few hours, so I'm coming up with all sorts of silly issues. One problem I'm having is that it's not easy to find things in the documentation. A

Re: Barcheck problems in extremely simple file

2013-04-15 Thread Peter Toye
Janek, Thanks. The notation for full-bar rests isn't as intuitive as I thought! Best regards, Peter mailto:lilyp...@ptoye.com www.ptoye.com - Monday, April 15, 2013, 11:22:15 AM, you wrote: > You need to specify duration for the rest. When there's no initial > duration

Re: Barcheck problems in extremely simple file

2013-04-15 Thread Eluze
David Kastrup wrote > Janek Warchoł < > janek.lilypond@ > > writes: > >> You need to specify duration for the rest. When there's no initial >> duration, LilyPond assumes a quarter, and that conflicts with the >> barcheck. > > But I do think that the following behavior qualifies for an issue >

Re: Newbie Problems - oops spot the deliberate mistake

2013-04-15 Thread David Kastrup
"Peter Gentry" writes: > I always use R1*3/4*1 the 1 can be replaced by the number of bars rest > you want - 3/4 is the time signtaure. > > You also need \set Score.skipBars = ##t if more than one bars rest. > > R1*x/y*n is better than any rn because the whole bar rest is centered > in the bar >

RE: Newbie Problems - oops spot the deliberate mistake

2013-04-15 Thread Peter Gentry
I always use R1*3/4*1 the 1 can be replaced by the number of bars rest you want - 3/4 is the time signtaure. You also need \set Score.skipBars = ##t if more than one bars rest. R1*x/y*n is better than any rn because the whole bar rest is centered in the bar Learning Lilypond is easy at first b

Re: Barcheck problems in extremely simple file

2013-04-15 Thread David Kastrup
Janek Warchoł writes: > You need to specify duration for the rest. When there's no initial > duration, LilyPond assumes a quarter, and that conflicts with the > barcheck. But I do think that the following behavior qualifies for an issue report: >> Interpreting music... >> D:/Peter/Music/Lilypo

RE: Newbie Problems

2013-04-15 Thread Peter Gentry
I always use R*3/4*1 the 1 can be replaced by the number of bars rest you want - 3/4 is the time signtaure. You also need \set Score.skipBars = ##t if more than one bars rest. R*x/y*n is better than any rn because the whole bar rest is centered in the bar Learning Lilypond is easy at first but

Re: Barcheck problems in extremely simple file

2013-04-15 Thread Urs Liska
"R" does indicate that the "symbol" to be used is independent from that actual duration, but you still have to supply the length of it. I know that may be somewhat confusing. If you don't specify a duration for the first note LilyPond will implicitly use a quarter note (i.e. "c" will be treate

Re: Barcheck problems in extremely simple file

2013-04-15 Thread Janek Warchoł
You need to specify duration for the rest. When there's no initial duration, LilyPond assumes a quarter, and that conflicts with the barcheck. hth, Janek 2013/4/15 Peter Toye : > Another newbie alert! > > I'm getting barcheck problems when putting in full bar rests and can't work > out why. The

Barcheck problems in extremely simple file

2013-04-15 Thread Peter Toye
Another newbie alert! I'm getting barcheck problems when putting in full bar rests and can't work out why. The file's very simple: \version "2.16.2" % necessary for upgrading to future LilyPond versions. \language "english" << \new Staff { \clef "treble" \key f \minor \time 4/4 \relative

Re: Newbie problems

2013-04-15 Thread Urs Liska
Am 15.04.2013 11:56, schrieb Peter Toye: Re: Newbie problems Urs, Now downloaded it, but it won't work properly - I get: Starting lilypond-windows.exe 2.16.2 [Warlock1.ly]... Could not start lilypond-windows.exe. Please check path and permissions. when I try to engrave. Is this the place to as

Re: Newbie problems

2013-04-15 Thread Peter Toye
Urs, Now downloaded it, but it won't work properly - I get: Starting lilypond-windows.exe 2.16.2 [Warlock1.ly]... Could not start lilypond-windows.exe. Please check path and permissions. when I try to engrave. Is this the place to ask about Frescobaldi problems, or should I go to their mailing

Re: Newbie problems

2013-04-15 Thread Peter Toye
Phil, OIC! I'll have to think about this and don't quite have time now. Will get back to you, probably not until later this week. Best regards, Peter mailto:lilyp...@ptoye.com www.ptoye.com - Monday, April 15, 2013, 10:39:25 AM, you wrote:  I doubt we'll dive that f

Re: Newbie problems

2013-04-15 Thread Phil Holmes
Re: Newbie problemsI doubt we'll dive that far into Microsoft and Windows 7. I was asking for documentation tweak suggestions. -- Phil Holmes - Original Message - From: Peter Toye To: Phil Holmes Cc: Federico Bruni ; lilypond-user Mailinglist Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013

Re: Newbie problems

2013-04-15 Thread Peter Toye
Phil, The obvious thing would (IMHO) seem to be to add right-click menu items for .ly files. "Edit" goes to Lilypad (or Frescobaldi etc), "Engrave" goes to Lilypond. All with suitable arguments in the command lines. Unfortunately, since MS withdrew support for this feature for normal users,

Re: Newbie problems

2013-04-15 Thread James Harkins
Peter: R is for full measure rests. Very likely, the examples from the Learning Manual to which you refer contain shorter rests, less than a full bar's duration. For them, indeed you should use "r," which prints a normal rest symbol according to the rhythmic value. Full-bar rests should appear wit

Re: Newbie problems

2013-04-15 Thread Wim van Dommelen
On 15 Apr 2013, at 08:09 , Thomas Scharkowski wrote: Original-Nachricht Thomas Scharkowski t-online.de> writes: ">>" (without quotes) is missing at the end of your code. It's more likely that your mail reader interpreted ">>" as a quoted line and didn't show it to you.

Re: Newbie problems

2013-04-15 Thread Phil Holmes
Re: Newbie problemsIf you would be willing to make suggestions about what the changes should be, we would try to incorporate them. -- Phil Holmes - Original Message - From: Peter Toye To: Federico Bruni Cc: lilypond-user Mailinglist Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 9:46 AM S

Re: Newbie problems

2013-04-15 Thread Peter Toye
I've realised that there's a silly problem here, which isn't Lilypond's fault. One really needs two different defaults for opening a .ly file: one to edit it (Lilypad, Frescobaldi etc.) and one to engrave it (Lilypond). And Microsoft, curse them, in Windows 7 and later removed the possibility fo

Re: Newbie problems

2013-04-15 Thread Urs Liska
Am 15.04.2013 10:34, schrieb Peter Toye: Re: Newbie problems Urs, I realise that now! Thanks. Not at all! I think it's one of our tasks on this list to keep new users from giving up on LilyPond ;-) Urs Best regards, Peter mailto:lilyp...@ptoye.com www.ptoye.com ---

Re: Newbie problems

2013-04-15 Thread Peter Toye
Thomas, I think it's there. It's not easy to distinguish between the ">>" in the Lilypond code and the ">>" in the mailing list quotes! But it now seems to be working - I'm not sure why! Don't understand your comment about "R1" - I'm following the "learning" manual which uses "r" for rests. B

Re: Newbie problems

2013-04-15 Thread Peter Toye
Urs, I realise that now! Thanks. Best regards, Peter mailto:lilyp...@ptoye.com www.ptoye.com - Sunday, April 14, 2013, 7:33:21 PM, you wrote: Am 14.04.2013 19:27, schrieb Peter Toye: - >>BTW, I recommend using Frescobaldi instead of Lilypad: >

Re: Help with espressivo adjustments

2013-04-15 Thread Janek Warchoł
Hi, 2013/4/15 Thomas Morley : > for some time I'm thinking about writing a tutorial about overriding > stencils, manipulating them, adding or combining sth, how to create a > new etc, etc ... > I'm not familiar with texinfo, though the main problem is my lack of time. > And currently I've less tha

Re: Lyrics both above and below the staff with splits?

2013-04-15 Thread Karl Hammar
Avi Drissman: > I'm trying to type up a vocal piece. At several places, the part splits > (with completely different notes, rhythms, and lyrics), and returns to > unison. During the splits, I'd like the lyrics to go above the staff for > the high part, and below the staff for the low part. > > At