Re: Slurs within chords, and dotted notes

On 1/7/2024 4:11 PM, Xavier Scheuer wrote: \once \override Dots.avoid-slur = #'ignore (Dots instead of Slur) Thank you!  That’s what I was misunderstanding. —Joel

Re: Slurs within chords, and dotted notes

On Sun, 7 Jan 2024 at 21:35, Joel C. Salomon wrote: > > Reposting for clarity as to what I’m asking. > > In the second case below, instead of the slur attaching to the specific note, it moves vertically—I assume, to avoid collision with the duration dot. (Though it’s interesting that a tie does

Re: Slurs within chords, and dotted notes

Hello Joel You can shape the Slur manually, like so: \version "2.25.11" \fixed c' {   % undotted note: slur attaches correctly   2   |   % dotted note: slur is moved vertically   \shape #'((1 . 0.5) (0.5 . 0.3) (0.5 . 0.3) (0 . 0)) Slur %adjusting the numbers control the four control points

Re: Slurs within chords, and dotted notes

Reposting for clarity as to what I’m asking. In the second case below, instead of the slur attaching to the specific note, it moves vertically—I assume, to avoid collision with the duration dot.  (Though it’s interesting that a tie does not mind overlapping the dot, as in the fourth case.)

Re: Slurs within chords, and dotted notes

chords, and dotted notes Somewhat surprising result, tested on 2.24 & 2.25.11: |```| |\version "2.24"| |\fixed c' {| |  2| |  || |  2.| |  4 || |  2 q || |  2. q4 || |}| |```| In the second instance, the tie attaches to the bottom of the initial chord, presumably to a

RE: Slurs within chords, and dotted notes

, and dotted notes Somewhat surprising result, tested on 2.24 & 2.25.11: ``` \version "2.24" \fixed c' { 2 | 2. 4 | 2 q | 2. q4 | } ``` In the second instance, the tie attaches to the bottom of the initial chord, presumably to avoid colliding with the dot.

Slurs within chords, and dotted notes

Somewhat surprising result, tested on 2.24 & 2.25.11: |``` \version "2.24" \fixed c' {   2   |   2.   4 |   2 q |   2. q4 | } ```| In the second instance, the tie attaches to the bottom of the initial chord, presumably to avoid colliding with the dot. (Interestingly, as in examples 3 &

Re: Simultaneous dotted notes

On 02/01/2023 16:39:00, "Pierre Perol-Schneider" wrote: (a) Is the Lilypond default presentation really the better way of indicating this? If so, I can just leave it alone. Otherwise, Yes it is, AFAIK (See E. Gould as ref. as far as I remember) In this specific instance I disagree.

Re: Simultaneous dotted notes

On 02/01/2023 16:39:00, "Pierre Perol-Schneider" wrote: (a) Is the Lilypond default presentation really the better way of indicating this? If so, I can just leave it alone. Otherwise, Yes it is, AFAIK (See E. Gould as ref. as far as I remember) Gould, top of page 59: "Unless conditions

Re: Simultaneous dotted notes

Hi Paul, Le lun. 2 janv. 2023 à 18:36, Paul Hodges a écrit : > In this instance I disagree. > > > See Gould, p59 (near top): "Unless conditions are cramped, [unison] notes > of different duration take a dot beside each notehead". > Hum, right, I've checked the page. For some reason it was

Re: Simultaneous dotted notes

On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 11:39 AM Pierre Perol-Schneider < pierre.schneider.pa...@gmail.com> wrote: > (b) I've tried following the examples in >> https://lilypond.org/doc/v2.24/Documentation/notation/multiple-voices#collision-resolution >> and

Re: Simultaneous dotted notes

From: Pierre Perol-Schneider (a) Is the Lilypond default presentation really the better way of indicating this?  If so, I can just leave it alone.  Otherwise, Yes it is, AFAIK (See E. Gould as ref. as far as I remember)  In this instance I disagree. See Gould, p59 (near

Re: Simultaneous dotted notes

Hi Joel, Le lun. 2 janv. 2023 à 17:29, Joel C. Salomon a écrit : ... > (a) Is the Lilypond default presentation really the better way of > indicating this? If so, I can just leave it alone. Otherwise, > Yes it is, AFAIK (See E. Gould as ref. as far as I remember) ... > (b) I've tried

Simultaneous dotted notes

Minimal example: \version "2.24.0" \fixed c { \clef bass << a4.-> \\ 2. >> << a4-> \\ 2. >> } When I look *real* closely, I see four dots the first time and three dots the second; but the attached image shows how this looks in the source score, with the

Re: Avoid merging dotted notes with different accidentals

On 5/25/19, 3:44 PM, "Alexander Myltsev" wrote: Thank you, that's a nice hack, and the result is perfect for the minimal example. However, in my actual score, the tied note ends up too far right (tiewait.png). How do I move it to the left? I tried to override

Re: Avoid merging dotted notes with different accidentals

Thank you, that's a nice hack, and the result is perfect for the minimal example. However, in my actual score, the tied note ends up too far right (tiewait.png). How do I move it to the left? I tried to override NoteColumn.extra-offset, but that did nothing. On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 11:59 PM Carl

Re: Avoid merging dotted notes with different accidentals

On 5/25/19, 8:09 AM, "Alexander Myltsev" wrote: How do I avoid merging the augmentation dot? Is there a better way to typeset this? \version "2.18.2" \relative c' { \time 3/4 << {d2. s2. } \\ { \set tieWaitForNote = ##t c2. ~ s4 c?2.*2/3 } >> }

Re: Avoid merging dotted notes with different accidentals

Oops -- I had an editing error. This one is correct. On 5/25/19, 8:09 AM, "Alexander Myltsev" wrote: How do I avoid merging the augmentation dot? Is there a better way to typeset this? \version "2.18.2" \relative c' { \time 3/4 << {d2. cis2. } \\ { \set

Avoid merging dotted notes with different accidentals

Hi, I'm trying to keep Lilypond from merging the same dotted note with different accidentals in different voices. My first approach was to override NoteColumn.force-hshift, which moved one of the notes, but kept the accidentals together, like this: ♯(♮) ♪♪ I'm trying to pull apart notes together

Re: Dotted notes

Thomas Morley-2 wrote > Please post some code. so that we can debug what's wrong and why.The code > was developed with 2.19.81 so at least the example works for me. Actually, if I just copy/paste your exemple above, I don't get any error message it works fine, except that when I change the

Re: Dotted notes

Hi, today I'm too tired to work on anything complicated ... Though, some remarks: 2018-04-19 17:23 GMT+02:00 foxfanfare : > foxfanfare wrote > Anyway, I tried your code this morning, but I wasn't able to get the desired > result. Maybe because I use the 2.19.80 version. I

Re: Dotted notes

foxfanfare wrote > Anyway, I tried your code this morning, but I wasn't able to get the > desiredresult. Maybe because I use the 2.19.80 version. I will try again > later thisafternoon. Okay I tested with the 2.19.81 version but the DotColumn.padding and details.dots-padding-factor doesn't seem

Re: Dotted notes

Thomas Morley-2 wrote > Hi, > > obviously the flags from the beethoven-font have less y-extent. > Sometimes too less, so DotColumn doesn't notice there's flag which > should be avoided. > (I've cc-ed the original author of the font. Maybe he joins the > discussion.) > > To watch the values

Re: Dotted notes

2018-04-19 1:56 GMT+02:00 Thomas Morley : > obviously the flags from the beethoven-font have less y-extent. > Sometimes too less, so DotColumn doesn't notice there's flag which > should be avoided. > (I've cc-ed the original author of the font. Maybe he joins the

Re: Dotted notes

er to note head: > \override Staff.Dots.extra-offset = #'(-0.1 . 0) > > c1.^"Some Changes ?" d4.. e8... f16 > >} > } > } > > \layout { > ragged-right = ##t > } > > When the font is changed, the dotted notes doesn't avoid the flags as it

Dotted notes

\break \override Staff.Dots.font-size = #-1.5 %closer to note head: \override Staff.Dots.extra-offset = #'(-0.1 . 0) c1.^"Some Changes ?" d4.. e8... f16 } } } \layout { ragged-right = ##t } When the font is changed, the dotted notes doesn

Re: Changing horizontal position of dots on dotted notes

On 21.09.2016 05:13, Paul wrote: It looks like LilyPond does not adjust the position of the dots based on the width of the stem (neither from its stencil nor its X-extent). In fact, only yesterday I had a situation when a \voiceOne dot was placed _on top_ of the \voiceThree stem… Best,

Changing horizontal position of dots on dotted notes

Hi all, I'm interested in changing the horizontal position of dots on dotted notes. So far I've only been able to make this happen by overriding Dots.extra-offset. That's fine and it will work for me, but it bypasses the layout/spacing engine, and I'd rather not do that if there is another

Re: Dotted notes

Hi Kieren, Thanks for looking up the engraving rules. According to Gould — which is, nowadays, the musical analogue of “according to Hoyle” — the *tie* should be adjusted and not the *dot*. So Boosey Hawkes’s style is not the convention, but rather an editorial quirk. I tweaked Lilypond's

Dotted notes

Hi all, I am working on a score from Boosey and Hawkes and noticed that dotted notes are different engraved compared with default Lilypond output. They use \dotsDown when there is something (slur, tie, fermata) above the dotted note. See the enclosed snippet and figure: default is Lilypond

Re: Dotted notes

Hi Ed, [Boosey Hawkes] use \dotsDown when there is something (slur, tie, fermata) above the dotted note. Should Lilypond do that too? According to Gould — which is, nowadays, the musical analogue of “according to Hoyle” — the *tie* should be adjusted and not the *dot*. So Boosey Hawkes’s

fermata on dotted notes on the top line

I don't know if this is the right forum for posting unfortunate examples of LilyPond's output but I came across this one: \version 2.16 \score { f''4.\fermata } The fermata seems connected visually with the dot on the note, it looks better to me dragged further away, which I have done for the

Re: fermata on dotted notes on the top line

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Re: fermata on dotted notes on the top line

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Re: fermata on dotted notes on the top line

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Polyphony, ledger lines, and dotted notes

See below - the dots are differently placed depending on whether the notes are in one voice or two: \version 2.15.16 \relative c' { d a d,4. { d } \\ { a d, } } attachment: dots.png___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org

Re: Polyphony, ledger lines, and dotted notes

- Original Message - From: Nick Payne nick.pa...@internode.on.net To: lilypond-user@gnu.org Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 9:35 AM Subject: Polyphony, ledger lines, and dotted notes See below - the dots are differently placed depending on whether the notes are in one voice or two

Re: Polyphony, ledger lines, and dotted notes

On 02/11/11 01:45, Phil Holmes wrote: - Original Message - From: Nick Payne nick.pa...@internode.on.net To: lilypond-user@gnu.org Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 9:35 AM Subject: Polyphony, ledger lines, and dotted notes See below - the dots are differently placed depending

Re: Polyphony, ledger lines, and dotted notes

On 11-11-01 03:01 PM, Nick Payne wrote: On 02/11/11 01:45, Phil Holmes wrote: - Original Message - From: Nick Payne nick.pa...@internode.on.net To: lilypond-user@gnu.org Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 9:35 AM Subject: Polyphony, ledger lines, and dotted notes See below

Re: Notation convention: dotted notes, duplet or else?

On 31 May 2011 20:36, Kieren MacMillan kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca wrote: Yes! For the record, in Lilypond there is an easier way (IMO) to have the same outpu: { \time 3/4 \times 3/2 { c2*1/2 c } } Thank you, everyone! I'll keep proposal 1: dotted notes c4. c4. | That's what

Notation convention: dotted notes, duplet or else?

: dotted notes c4. c4. | % proposal 2: tied notes c4~ c8 c8~ c4 | % proposal 3: duplet \times 3/2 { c4 c4 } | % proposal 4: mix (not symmetric) c4. c8~ c4 | Does it depend on the tempo (fast = one beat (2.) or slow = 3 beats (4 4 4))? I would say that duplet is better for fast (one beat

Re: Notation convention: dotted notes, duplet or else?

of the following rhythm? \time 3/4 % proposal 1: dotted notes c4. c4. | I would never do this unless there was a longer section of hemiolas. % proposal 2: tied notes c4~ c8 c8~ c4 | Lots of info. % proposal 3: duplet \times 3/2 { c4 c4 } | Ditto - only in the case of hemiolas

Re: Notation convention: dotted notes, duplet or else?

some have great references such as Ted Ross or Gardner Read. In 3/4 times, what would be the recommended notation of the following rhythm? \time 3/4 % proposal 1: dotted notes c4. c4. | I would never do this unless there was a longer section of hemiolas. % proposal 2: tied notes c4

Re: Notation convention: dotted notes, duplet or else?

On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 11:22:16AM +0100, m...@apollinemike.com wrote: On May 31, 2011, at 11:17 AM, Xavier Scheuer wrote: \time 3/4 % proposal 1: dotted notes c4. c4. | I would never do this unless there was a longer section of hemiolas. I'd be sorely tempted to change to \time

Re: Notation convention: dotted notes, duplet or else?

I would have to agree with the other correspondents here, that there is no one answer. Conventionally, your 4th example is likely to be used, as it keeps the 3 beats in the measure clear. Generally, dotted notes don't start on the weak part of a beat and extend into the next beat. However

Re: Notation convention: dotted notes, duplet or else?

Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 11:22:16AM +0100, m...@apollinemike.com wrote: On May 31, 2011, at 11:17 AM, Xavier Scheuer wrote: \time 3/4 % proposal 1: dotted notes c4. c4. | I would never do this unless there was a longer section

Re: Notation convention: dotted notes, duplet or else?

Hi David, The whole point of hemiolas is to fit with the timing. Yes. Changing the meter ruins the pun. Only if a hemiola feel is what you want. ;) it seems like a crutch for people uncapable of dealing with the duality of inner and outer rhythmic structure of a syncopated phrase. As

Re: Notation convention: dotted notes, duplet or else?

Kieren MacMillan kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca writes: Hi David, The whole point of hemiolas is to fit with the timing. Yes. Changing the meter ruins the pun. Only if a hemiola feel is what you want. ;) it seems like a crutch for people uncapable of dealing with the duality of inner

Re: Notation convention: dotted notes, duplet or else?

Hi David, Which is exactly the opposite approach in that it banishes all but one aspect of the music. Yes — I was only comparing the extremity of your approach with the extremity of his. It would appear to me that if one wants to have a flow of accents unrelated to some no longer

Re: Notation convention: dotted notes, duplet or else?

Kieren MacMillan kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca writes: Hi David, Like with poetry, if you have to use means of forcing the meter to the performer, and if the performer has to take explicit means to force the meter to the listeners, one might suspect that the content to be conveyed might

Re: Notation convention: dotted notes, duplet or else?

Hi David, In the notation? Hardly. If you have stuff from a reasonably good poet, you can usually word-wrap it without noticeable structural damage. I think most poets would disagree. In fact, you might seriously improve the auditory delivery of bad poetry performers by doing so because

Re: Notation convention: dotted notes, duplet or else?

Kieren MacMillan kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca writes: Hi David, In the notation? Hardly. If you have stuff from a reasonably good poet, you can usually word-wrap it without noticeable structural damage. I think most poets would disagree. Shall I compare thee to a Summer's day? Thou art

Re: Notation convention: dotted notes, duplet or else?

Shall I compare thee to a Summer's day? Thou art more lovely and more temperate: rough winds do shake the darling buds of May and Summer's lease hath all too short a date. Sometime too hot the eye of heaven shines and often is his gold complexion dimm'd; and every fair from fair sometime

RE: Notation convention: dotted notes, duplet or else?

Kieren MacMillan wrote So count me as another vote for there is no single correct answer. I echo those words, and I offer another suggestion: { \time 3/4 \override TupletNumber #'text = #(tuplet-number::non-default-tuplet-denominator-text 2) \times 3/4 { c2 c } \revert

Re: Notation convention: dotted notes, duplet or else?

Hi Richard, I echo those words, and I offer another suggestion: { \time 3/4 \override TupletNumber #'text = #(tuplet-number::non-default-tuplet-denominator-text 2) \times 3/4 { c2 c } \revert TupletNumber #'text } Using minims avoids a disadvantage of two crotchets,

Re:Strange behaviour of dotted notes

strange behavior with dotted notes. In the piece I am converting from a very rough manuscript to 'quality LP' output, there are a number of similar occurrences. I have noticed that the upper voice seems to get preference in the leftmost note column over the lower voice. Can this priority be changed

Re: Slurs collide with the dot of dotted notes

2009/5/9 bosmutus bosmu...@live.com: That changed the slur, but not enough to avoid the collision. Any other suggestions? Did you experiment with the value? It might need to be increased, but it's dependent on things like the staff-size and how tightly packed the notes are. You could also try

Re: Slurs collide with the dot of dotted notes

I found that using something like, \once \override Slur #'positions = #'(0 . 2.8) did a good job. I'll try your other suggestions and see how they compare. Thanks -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Slurs-collide-with-the-dot-of-dotted-notes-tp23463349p23474399.html Sent

Slurs collide with the dot of dotted notes

]) es16.([ fs32 gs16. a32]) b16.[(\ gs32 b16. cs,32]) a'16.[( cs,32 gs'16. cs,32])} \\ {r8 s8 s2.} -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Slurs-collide-with-the-dot-of-dotted-notes-tp23463349p23463349.html Sent from the Gnu - Lilypond - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com

Re: Slurs collide with the dot of dotted notes

2009/5/9 bosmutus bosmu...@live.com: I have a series of dotted rhythms (16. 32, etc.) and the slur above them doesn't avoid the dots on the 16th notes. What is the best way to fix this? Try tweaking the slur's height-limit: \once \override Slur #'height-limit = #2.5 Regards, Neil

Re: Slurs collide with the dot of dotted notes

That changed the slur, but not enough to avoid the collision. Any other suggestions? -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Slurs-collide-with-the-dot-of-dotted-notes-tp23463349p23464984.html Sent from the Gnu - Lilypond - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com

Slurs collide with the dot of dotted notes

a \major \relative c' {\stemUp b'8-3( \stemDown cs,16.[ ds32]) es16.([ fs32 gs16. a32]) b16.[(\ gs32 b16. cs,32]) a'16.[( cs,32 gs'16. cs,32])} \\ {r8 s8 s2.} -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Slurs-collide-with-the-dot-of-dotted-notes-tp23463010p23463010.html Sent from the Gnu

Re: transparent dotted notes

Sorry for the spelling mistake, dots 'disappear' ... northofscotland wrote: Just a quick pointer from someone who knows, please ! I am trying to make dotted notes transparent (to aid combining voices). I can make the stems disapper, I can make the note heads disapper, but I cannot

Re: transparent dotted notes

: Just a quick pointer from someone who knows, please ! I am trying to make dotted notes transparent (to aid combining voices). I can make the stems disapper, I can make the note heads disapper, but I cannot findout how to make the dots disapper. I am sure it is simple, but I can't find the proper

Dotted Notes - Dots on staff lines...:(

Hi guys I moved to Ubuntu 8.04 a few months ago, and I've been typesetting my music there since then, with Lilypond 2.11.55. One problem I've noticed is that since I restarted using Lily, after a gap of a few weeks, the method used to typeset dotted notes have changed. Now, instead of putting

Re: Dotted Notes - Dots on staff lines...:(

Lily, after a gap of a few weeks, the method used to typeset dotted notes have changed. Now, instead of putting the dots between the lines o the staff, they are now put on top of the lines. Is this because of the change to Ubuntu? Or is this because of the newer version of lilypond I've been

Re: Dodgy dotted notes

I am using Version 2.8.6 on Windows 98. Clementi Sonata op.7 no.3 has some bars with dotted quaver followed by demi- semi-quavers and then other notes which can give bar lengths varying from the time sig by 1 to 2 demi-semi-quavers. Manual typesetting can handle this but LP ends up with

Re: Dodgy dotted notes

On 17.11.2007 (01:27), Ossie Wilson wrote: I am using Version 2.8.6 on Windows 98. Clementi Sonata op.7 no.3 has some bars with dotted quaver followed by demi- semi-quavers and then other notes which can give bar lengths varying from the time sig by 1 to 2 demi-semi-quavers. Manual

dotted notes

Sorry, but I still stuck in the beginnings. Typing a dot (full stop: ASCII E2) after a note will not be translated into a dotted note (unexpected ... Syntax error). I used different editors (including UltraEdit) and lilycomp. However, copy and paste a dotted note from other files on the net

RE: dotted notes

That's because you need to be using ASCII 2E, not E2. This is the standard period character and is what LilyPond is looking for. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sat 12/9/2006 10:56 AM To: lilypond-user@gnu.org Subject: dotted notes

dotted notes

Attached a 7-measure example in .ly format to show what I mean ;-) In the case of multi-voice polyphony on a stave dotted notes get all their dots precisely below each other on a single line. In most cases this looks best, but sometimes it makes a dot 'float' and almost cause a collision

Spacing of dotted notes

Hi, I've noticed Lilypond pads dotted notes on the left when shifting them in polyphonic contexts. This seems strange to me. Is this behavior intentional or is this a bug? \version 2.4.2 { \set Score.timing = ##f \clef bass {e8 s4.} \\ {e2} {e8 s8 s2} \\ {e2.} {e4 s4