Unable to align lyric to rests (with MWE)

2024-01-02 Thread John Helly
Aloha. I'm struggling to align some lyrics and the problem seems to be that I cannot find any way to align syllables to rests.  In the following MWE, I want to align the word 'but' with the r4.  It seems only to be willing to align with either the prior note or the succeeding note (prior note

Re: Unable to align lyric to rests (with MWE)

2024-01-02 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Aloha! > I'm struggling to align some lyrics and the problem seems to be that I cannot > find any way to align syllables to rests. Do you want to attach the syllable(s) to the rest(s), or simply nudge the syllable left a little (e.g., to relax the lyric spacing that follows)? If the latter, th

Re: Unable to align lyric to rests (with MWE)

2024-01-02 Thread John Helly
Aloha. I need to attach the word to the rest so the rest of the lyrics align properly.  I don't think shifting it will do the job (although I'll try it). J. On 1/2/24 11:26, Kieren MacMillan wrote: Aloha! I'm struggling to align some lyrics and the problem seems to be that I cannot find a

Re: Unable to align lyric to rests (with MWE)

2024-01-02 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi John, > I need to attach the word to the rest so the rest of the lyrics align > properly. Right. (Certainly it would be *VERY* unusual to actually attach a lyric to a rest!) > I don't think shifting it will do the job (although I'll try it). Just to clarify: I gave you an adjusted snippet

Re: Unable to align lyric to rests (with MWE)

2024-01-02 Thread John Helly
Hi Kieren. But, ... I don't really see why it should.  There are many songs for which the vocal precedes the melody.  Perhaps there is some other way to accomplish this that I'm unaware of.  I'm pretty much a novice at writing.  However, I am transcribing a published score into LP as an exerc

Re: Unable to align lyric to rests (with MWE)

2024-01-02 Thread Hans Aikema
> On 3 Jan 2024, at 00:41, John Helly wrote: > > Hi Kieren. > > But, ... I don't really see why it should. There are many songs for which > the vocal precedes the melody. Perhaps there is some other way to accomplish > this that I'm unaware of. I'm pretty much a novice at writing. Howe

Re: Unable to align lyric to rests (with MWE)

2024-01-02 Thread John Helly
Mahalo. That sounds reasonable and very much appreciated.  What I did was replace the rest with the succeeding note on essentially the same logic.  However, I like your solution. J. On 1/2/24 14:04, Hans Aikema wrote: On 3 Jan 2024, at 00:41, John Helly wrote: Hi Kieren. But, ... I do

Re: Unable to align lyric to rests (with MWE)

2024-01-02 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi John, > But, ... I don't really see why it should. There are many songs for which > the vocal precedes the melody. I don’t know of a single one. A rest is literally musical silence — how can it have a “vocal” on it? Now, of course, you could have non-sung syllables… but that is not equival

Re: Unable to align lyric to rests (with MWE)

2024-01-02 Thread John Helly
Aloha K. Here's the one I've been working on.  Maybe it's just wrong.  I agree with your logic and defer to you as I know little about these conventions at this point. Also, I said on r4 but it's actually on r8. This is from Brothers In Arms published by Musicnotes under license from Univer

Re: Unable to align lyric to rests (with MWE)

2024-01-02 Thread John Helly
Aloha. That worked in terms of alignment.  I still wonder if it's written incorrectly.  Seems like there should be notes on the 'but' and 'and' when I listen to the recording.  Not sure. Brothers In Arms, Mark Knopfler. J. On 1/2/24 14:04, Hans Aikema wrote: On 3 Jan 2024, at 00:41, Jo

Re: Unable to align lyric to rests (with MWE)

2024-01-02 Thread Christopher R. Maden
On 1/2/24 22:18, John Helly wrote: That worked in terms of alignment.  I still wonder if it's written incorrectly.  Seems like there should be notes on the 'but' and 'and' when I listen to the recording.  Not sure. Brothers In Arms, Mark Knopfler. It’s a kind of shorthand. As Kieren said, y

Re: Unable to align lyric to rests (with MWE)

2024-01-02 Thread John Helly
Mahalo to all of you for injecting. Love this stuff and just intrigued by the variety of expressions. Remarkable that this has been built (i.e. Lilypond) as well as this community. J. On 1/2/24 17:50, Christopher R. Maden wrote: On 1/2/24 22:18, John Helly wrote: That worked in terms of ali

Re: Unable to align lyric to rests (with MWE)

2024-01-02 Thread Jakob Pedersen
Good morning, I think the original is possible only because the lyrics are different. If you want to write the melody with the lyrics to the second stanza only, it would make no sense to have lyrics corresponding to a rest. A version with the second stanza text only could look like this: glo

Re: Unable to align lyric to rests (with MWE)

2024-01-03 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Aloha John, > Here's the one I've been working on. Maybe it's just wrong. At the very least, it’s lazy and unclear engraving. The convention in a case like this is something closer to the following: \version "2.25.10" global = { \time 4/4 \key b \major \tempo 4=80 } mel = \relative c'

Re: Unable to align lyric to rests (with MWE)

2024-01-03 Thread John Helly
Mahalo.  Appreciate the advice. J. On 1/3/24 06:46, Kieren MacMillan wrote: Aloha John, Here's the one I've been working on.  Maybe it's just wrong. At the very least, it’s lazy and unclear engraving. The convention in a case like this is something closer to the following: \version "2.25.1