Re: elegant compound time signatures

2008-12-21 Thread alexandre_ficagna
@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user - Alexandre Ficagna www.myspace.com/alexandreficagna -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/elegant-compound-time-signatures-tp20053025p21045760.html Sent from the Gnu - Lilypond - User mailing list archive

Re: elegant compound time signatures

2008-12-21 Thread Neil Puttock
Hi Bageh, 2008/12/21 alexandre_ficagna alr...@ibest.com.br: Hi, Does somebody knows if compound times works with time signatures on top http://lsr.dsi.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=272 ? I tried several tweaks, but they doesn't seem to work in this type of time signatures (for example, they remain

Re: truly elegant compound time signatures

2008-10-21 Thread Carl D. Sorensen
On 10/20/08 4:33 PM, Joseph Wakeling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No nastiness felt from this end, your response was not entirely unexpected -- after all, as you say, you've put in a lot of effort to generate this tool as it is. I'm very grateful for that, and a friendly prod to put my ideas

Re: elegant compound time signatures

2008-10-20 Thread Hans Aberg
On 20 Oct 2008, at 06:53, Graham Percival wrote: On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 04:36:48PM +0200, Hans Aberg wrote: This gankino horo snip is typeset as (2+2)+(2+1)+(2+2), again not wrong, but scores use the styles 4+3+4 or (2+2)+3+(2+2). (Hitting the same 2+1 problem.) What, like this? I

Re: elegant compound time signatures

2008-10-20 Thread Trevor Daniels
@gnu.org Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 9:14 AM Subject: Re: elegant compound time signatures On 20 Oct 2008, at 06:53, Graham Percival wrote: On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 04:36:48PM +0200, Hans Aberg wrote: This gankino horo snip is typeset as (2+2)+(2+1)+(2+2), again not wrong, but scores use

Re: elegant compound time signatures

2008-10-20 Thread Graham Percival
@gnu.org Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 9:14 AM Subject: Re: elegant compound time signatures On 20 Oct 2008, at 06:53, Graham Percival wrote: On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 04:36:48PM +0200, Hans Aberg wrote: This gankino horo snip is typeset as (2+2)+(2+1)+(2+2), again not wrong, but scores use

Re: elegant compound time signatures

2008-10-20 Thread Joseph Wakeling
Graham Percival wrote: Hans: at the risk of sounding grumpy, did you try compiling my example? I believe it does everything you want. One thing your snippet doesn't display -- time signatures of the form, 3+3+2 8 Is this possible? The other alternative time signature form is something

Re: elegant compound time signatures

2008-10-20 Thread Hans Aberg
On 20 Oct 2008, at 11:21, Graham Percival wrote: Hans: at the risk of sounding grumpy, did you try compiling my example? I believe it does everything you want. Yes, I think it was clear from my reply. I mentioned that although writing in each measure \unset subdivideBeams \unset

Re: elegant compound time signatures

2008-10-20 Thread Trevor Daniels
Graham Percival Monday, October 20, 2008 10:21 AM Trevor: a top-post in this case makes the thread really bloody confusing to read. (I know this email compounds the problem, but I've given up on this thread) Perhaps. But having to scroll down looking for additions can be equally annoying.

Re: elegant compound time signatures

2008-10-20 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 12:36:20PM +0200, Hans Aberg wrote: On 20 Oct 2008, at 11:21, Graham Percival wrote: Hans: at the risk of sounding grumpy, did you try compiling my example? I believe it does everything you want. Yes, I think it was clear from my reply. I mentioned that although

Re: elegant compound time signatures

2008-10-20 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 11:41:22 +0100 Trevor Daniels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So (being more positive) do you or anyone have a real example when #(override-beam...) stuff is essential, i.e., when beamGrouping doesn't work? That would be a useful addition to the manual, or alternatively it

Re: elegant compound time signatures

2008-10-20 Thread Hans Aberg
On 20 Oct 2008, at 13:15, Graham Percival wrote: I managed to get this working without individual tweaks. It's messy, but once it's all set up, you can write any number of bars and get the 2_2, 3, 4 beaming. If you want the final 4 to be a 2_2 as well, it should be obvious how to make that

Re: elegant compound time signatures

2008-10-20 Thread Joseph Wakeling
Graham Percival wrote: One thing your snippet doesn't display -- time signatures of the form, 3+3+2 8 Is this possible? Yes, see the very first message in this thread! Forgive me, that was badly phrased. What I was really meaning to ask was if you could add this second case as an

Re: elegant compound time signatures

2008-10-20 Thread Hans Aberg
On 20 Oct 2008, at 12:53, Graham Percival wrote: The second problem is that LilyPond beamings varies quite a bit from version to version, so sprinkling, so this solution may not be stable. This shouldn't be a problem if you set up the overrides correctly, and as long as there aren't any

truly elegant compound time signatures

2008-10-20 Thread Graham Percival
Dear all, I am pleased to re-announce that I am an idiot. Please ignore the previous message about elegant compound time signatures; the attached file is *much* better. - arbitrary time signatures, with arbitrary compound-ness. - more aesthetically pleasing graphical display, including less

Re: elegant compound time signatures

2008-10-20 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 02:16:56PM +0200, Hans Aberg wrote: On 20 Oct 2008, at 13:15, Graham Percival wrote: treat it like the global voice that many people use for rehearsal marks and the like. Thank you, I saw it, though I find hard to understand what the second bracelet group does: {

Re: elegant compound time signatures

2008-10-20 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 02:23:25PM +0200, Joseph Wakeling wrote: I don't think I have the second email you sent ... ? I only have emails with the same subject as this mail. Whoops! I forgot to set up my lilypond-user alias, so I tried to send that email to a non-existant mailing list. Sent

Re: elegant compound time signatures

2008-10-20 Thread Graham Percival
I managed to get this working without individual tweaks. It's messy, but once it's all set up, you can write any number of bars and get the 2_2, 3, 4 beaming. If you want the final 4 to be a 2_2 as well, it should be obvious how to make that happen. Just add a \repeat unfold around the second

Re: elegant compound time signatures

2008-10-20 Thread Hans Aberg
On 20 Oct 2008, at 15:01, Graham Percival wrote: ... I find hard to understand what the second bracelet group does: { \set subdivideBeams = ##t \set beatLength = #(ly:make-moment 1 8) s4 \unset subdivideBeams \unset beatLength s8. s4 } This gives you the single beam between the 2nd and

Re: truly elegant compound time signatures

2008-10-20 Thread Joseph Wakeling
Graham Percival wrote: I am pleased to re-announce that I am an idiot. Please ignore the previous message about elegant compound time signatures; the attached file is *much* better. I'm afraid I get horrible horrible errors with the files you attached :-( The resulting output has no time

Re: truly elegant compound time signatures

2008-10-20 Thread Hans Aberg
On 20 Oct 2008, at 15:00, Graham Percival wrote: I am pleased to re-announce that I am an idiot. Ahem... Please ignore the previous message about elegant compound time signatures; the attached file is *much* better. - arbitrary time signatures, with arbitrary compound-ness. - more

Re: truly elegant compound time signatures

2008-10-20 Thread Jonathan Kulp
the previous message about elegant compound time signatures; the attached file is *much* better. - arbitrary time signatures, with arbitrary compound-ness. - more aesthetically pleasing graphical display, including less wasted score-space - nicer .ly files (although still not ideal

Re: truly elegant compound time signatures

2008-10-20 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 03:18:17PM +0200, Joseph Wakeling wrote: Graham Percival wrote: I am pleased to re-announce that I am an idiot. Please ignore the previous message about elegant compound time signatures; the attached file is *much* better. I'm afraid I get horrible horrible

Re: elegant compound time signatures

2008-10-20 Thread Hans Aberg
On 20 Oct 2008, at 12:53, Graham Percival wrote: There is a need of a more general beaming pattern selection scheme. To be picky, this is a problem about subdivided beams, not the main beams. From what I can see, one needs to create a general trees structure, as generated by + and

Re: truly elegant compound time signatures

2008-10-20 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 04:04:50PM +0200, Joseph Wakeling wrote: Graham Percival wrote: Mao, I added the comments just before sending the file, and forgot that scheme used a different symbol for comments. The attached file fixes this. Very nice! A couple of comments: first (I guess

Re: truly elegant compound time signatures

2008-10-20 Thread Neil Puttock
2008/10/20 Joseph Wakeling [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Very nice! A couple of comments: first (I guess you know this) the bracketed (3+3+2) etc. markup should surely not affect the horizontal music spacing as it does. Is there anything that can be done? \with-dimensions #''(0 . 0) #'(0 . 0) for the

Re: truly elegant compound time signatures

2008-10-20 Thread Joseph Wakeling
Graham Percival wrote: It's not markup. I've changed the way the time signature is displayed. The parenthesis is part of the time signature. Sorry, that was my bad phrasing (again). I understood perfectly well what it was -- if it wasn't part of the time signature, the spacing wouldn't have

Re: truly elegant compound time signatures

2008-10-20 Thread Joseph Wakeling
Neil Puttock wrote: 2008/10/20 Joseph Wakeling [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Very nice! A couple of comments: first (I guess you know this) the bracketed (3+3+2) etc. markup should surely not affect the horizontal music spacing as it does. Is there anything that can be done? \with-dimensions #''(0

Re: elegant compound time signatures

2008-10-19 Thread Graham Percival
On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 04:36:48PM +0200, Hans Aberg wrote: This gankino horo snip is typeset as (2+2)+(2+1)+(2+2), again not wrong, but scores use the styles 4+3+4 or (2+2)+3+(2+2). (Hitting the same 2+1 problem.) What, like this? I think this is the second bar of the gankino horo

elegant compound time signatures

2008-10-18 Thread Graham Percival
I'm reasonably happy with my solution to compound times. I'm still wondering about the printing -- should I leave it as 3 + 3 + 2 8 8 8 or change it to something like 8 (3+3+2) 8 Anyway, that's a relatively minor issue. The attached file prints compound time signatures and sets up