RE: OT: Giving away your lingo

2001-08-23 Thread Leah O'Shell
it may be annoying, but if you are a subcontractor, you always have to hand over the code, ( i thought). even if you have a direct contact with someone, the debate is what you are selling, if you are selling the source with the finished product, you should draw a contract with this specified

RE: OT: Giving away your lingo

2001-08-23 Thread Jorge Pena
Hello Fred. I am amazed you could be working for a company and not have any written or even oral contract... My reading of this is that you have a very special relationship with the company and none is required, although I have to say this is risky business (C). Apart from that if they don't exp

RE: OT: Giving away your lingo

2001-08-23 Thread Al Hospers
> What if you are not classifed as a programer and you have no > contract written or oral at your company? I work for a casino > in the Slot Department and make shows, about three to four a > week for plasma signs. Lingo programming is new to the casino > world I have been do it for about three ye

RE: OT: Giving away your lingo

2001-08-23 Thread Fred Westermeyer
Question for the list. What if you are not classifed as a programer and you have no contract written or oral at your company? I work for a casino in the Slot Department and make shows, about three to four a week for plasma signs. Lingo programming is new to the casino world I have been do it f

RE: OT: Giving away your lingo

2001-08-23 Thread Ike Eisenhauer
001 2:49 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: OT: Giving away your lingo You know, I even go a step farther and comment out all of my code as to what each bit is doing. I've never had an issue where someone ripped apart my stuff so they could do it themselves -- although I was paid to tr

RE: OT: Giving away your lingo

2001-08-23 Thread Ike Eisenhauer
Basically, I have done three things in the past: 1. Give the source code to them for 10x development cost (which was clearly stated in the contract prior) 2. Gave them the code but ran it through an obscufier first. This one was only when the client threatened a lawsuit because they failed to re

RE: OT: Giving away your lingo

2001-08-23 Thread grimmwerks
You know, I even go a step farther and comment out all of my code as to what each bit is doing. I've never had an issue where someone ripped apart my stuff so they could do it themselves -- although I was paid to train a few people in basics...I had no problem with that. Personally, I have

Re: OT: Giving away your lingo

2001-08-23 Thread Chris Aernoudt
uite useless without code snippets. I bet our lives would be hell without this far-out cooperation... Give something, and get loads in return. - Original Message - From: "Karina Steffens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2

RE: OT: Giving away your lingo

2001-08-23 Thread Ian Johnson
Hi, thanks for the replies. Wow, such a divide. :) While I agree with Kurt's comments re: 'we constantly give away our lingo to the members on the list', lists are a pretty unique environment (IMHO), with the purpose of asking the community/like-minded individuals for help and putting something

RE: OT: Giving away your lingo

2001-08-23 Thread Karina Steffens
> Give them the code. What are they going to do with it? > > 1. Hire some other dir developer who is equal to or beyond > you in ability, > and will likely just toss your code in the dumpster while > replicating the > functionality in his own style. > > 2. Is not as good of a coder, and will strug

RE: OT: Giving away your lingo

2001-08-22 Thread Pekka Buttler
IMHO, the question is quite a simple one. If you have a written (or oral) agreement which does not explicitly state that you should hand over the source code, you should not need to do so. If you have been hired to do a product, then the Product is what you need to hand over. Nothing else. Some

RE: OT: Giving away your lingo

2001-08-22 Thread Kurt Griffin
> NEVER GIVE AWAY YOUR SOURCE CODE THAT SMALL MEDIA DEPARTMENT TODAY WILL > BECOME A BIG ONE TOMMORROW AND REUSE YOUR LINGO TEMPLATE AS BASIS FOR OTHER > PROJECTS. YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO SELL THE CODE TO THEM, BUT REMEMBER THEY WILL > STILL IT. I HAVE SEEN IT HAPPEN BEFORE AHEM! LOL. Get over yours

Re: OT: Giving away your lingo

2001-08-22 Thread Mike Rule
I lean towards the 'don't do it!' school of thought but I have done jobs where the client insisted on having access to the source code. One compromise that we came up with once was to put all the source code on a disc which was then held in trust by a mutually agreed firm of solicitors (lawyer

Re: OT: Giving away your lingo--DON'T DO IT !!!

2001-08-22 Thread Jason Spencer
NEVER GIVE AWAY YOUR SOURCE CODE THAT SMALL MEDIA DEPARTMENT TODAY WILL BECOME A BIG ONE TOMMORROW AND REUSE YOUR LINGO TEMPLATE AS BASIS FOR OTHER PROJECTS. YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO SELL THE CODE TO THEM, BUT REMEMBER THEY WILL STILL IT. I HAVE SEEN IT HAPPEN BEFORE AHEM! On 8/22/01 1:36 PM, "Ian Jo

RE: OT: Giving away your lingo

2001-08-22 Thread Al Hospers
> I'm interested to find out how everyone handles clients' > requests for source files. this comes up here fairly frequently. some folks never give out source, some charge extra for it and some always give it to the client (after the final check is delivered & cashed of courst). personally I have