Re: [LINK] Security 'vs.' Privacy

On 19 December 2013 17:24, wrote: > Janet writes, > > > the planet is a finite interwoven system of reciprocity, interdependence > > "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can > change the world; indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead > > And, "Little

Re: [LINK] Security 'vs.' Privacy

Janet writes, > the planet is a finite interwoven system of reciprocity, interdependence "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead And, "Little nails hold the hinges of history" Bismark

Re: [LINK] Depiction of wind at various altitudes, other weather pages

On 19/12/13 16:05, Kim Holburn wrote: > That wind earth site is awesome Robin. I can see two cyclones in the Indian > Ocean. Apparently the one closer to Australia is Cyclone Bruce. > Yeah, that site is very nice, and the two cyclones look very pretty. Fortunately, TC Bruce is heading away fro

Re: [LINK] Depiction of wind at various altitudes, other weather pages

That wind earth site is awesome Robin. I can see two cyclones in the Indian Ocean. Apparently the one closer to Australia is Cyclone Bruce. On 2013/Dec/19, at 12:42 PM, Robin Whittle wrote: > Here is a new addition to my collection of weather URLs: > > http://earth.nullschool.net/ > > I r

[LINK] UN right to privacy passes

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-25441408 -- Kim Holburn IT Network & Security Consultant T: +61 2 61402408 M: +61 404072753 mailto:k...@holburn.net aim://kimholburn skype://kholburn - PGP Public Key on request ___ Link mailing list

Re: [LINK] Depiction of wind at various altitudes, other weather pages

On 19/12/13 14:31, Michael wrote: > Faulconbridge, a town down the road from me in NSW claims to be number 1 > globally: > http://infobluemountains.net.au/weather/best.htm > > I wonder how many locations make similar assertions! Probably lots :) Ah! Faulconbridge claims "equitable" whereas Bunda

Re: [LINK] Security 'vs.' Privacy [Was Re: A security question

On 19 December 2013 13:49, Roger Clarke wrote: > Chicken!! > the planet is a finite interwoven system of reciprocity, interdependence, diverse health the mythology of security/privacy and human ideas of wealth/power still sit on that reality imho ___

Re: [LINK] Depiction of wind at various altitudes, other weather pages

>On 19 December 2013 15:05, Andy Farkas wrote: >> ps. The climate in Bundaberg "is the most equable of any Australian >> town or city and ranked 5th on a worldwide comparison." >> - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundaberg#Climate At 15:31 +1100 19/12/13, Michael wrote: >Faulconbridge, a town do

Re: [LINK] OT: Bundy [Was Re: Depiction of wind

On 19/12/13 14:18, Roger Clarke wrote: > At 14:05 +1000 19/12/13, Andy Farkas wrote: >> ps. The climate in Bundaberg "is the most equable of any Australian >> town or city and ranked 5th on a worldwide comparison." >> - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundaberg#Climate > In the 12 years I lived there,

Re: [LINK] Depiction of wind at various altitudes, other weather pages

On 19 December 2013 15:05, Andy Farkas wrote: > > > ps. The climate in Bundaberg "is the most equable of any Australian > town or city and ranked 5th on a worldwide comparison." > - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundaberg#Climate > > Faulconbridge, a town down the road from me in NSW claims to be

[LINK] OT: Bundy [Was Re: Depiction of wind

At 14:05 +1000 19/12/13, Andy Farkas wrote: >ps. The climate in Bundaberg "is the most equable of any Australian >town or city and ranked 5th on a worldwide comparison." >- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundaberg#Climate In the 12 years I lived there, the temperature was in the range 42-92. That's

Re: [LINK] Depiction of wind at various altitudes, other weather pages

On 19/12/13 13:32, Jim Birch wrote: > ... you have a bunch of stuff going in any direction. > Sorry, nothing to contribute, just an observation I made the other day when there was a storm front moving over the Wide Bay area. Was watching the rain radar (as you do when a storm comes) and enabled t

Re: [LINK] Depiction of wind at various altitudes, other weather pages

The newer computer output pages are better than the old synoptic chart because you can predicted changes in a 3 hourly basis or the next 3 days and 6 hours for a week. Remember to take less notice of small scale features as the prediction goes out. The big highs move fairly predictably; small and

Re: [LINK] Security 'vs.' Privacy [Was Re: A security question

Chicken!! (:-)} _ At 13:34 +1030 19/12/13, Janet Hawtin wrote: On 19 December 2013 13:22, Roger Clarke <roger.cla...@xamax.com.au> wrote: Better still, Janet, please start 'Privacy and Freedom Underground'. With those insights, you can do the activist

Re: [LINK] A security question

On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 6:12 PM, David Lochrin wrote: > > Trouble with mobile phone/SMS is that it relies on the phone number, > still being in the correct hands. There have been several articles about > prepared thieves using mobile number portability to move the target's > number to a device i

Re: [LINK] Security 'vs.' Privacy [Was Re: A security question

On 19 December 2013 13:22, Roger Clarke wrote: > Better still, Janet, please start 'Privacy and Freedom Underground'. > > With those insights, you can do the activist stuff that us stuffy > suits have to stay away from in order to seem respectable (:-)} A few 'underground' people against infin

Re: [LINK] Security 'vs.' Privacy [Was Re: A security question

Better still, Janet, please start 'Privacy and Freedom Underground'. With those insights, you can do the activist stuff that us stuffy suits have to stay away from in order to seem respectable (:-)} At 13:16 +1030 19/12/13, Janet Hawtin wrote: if n entities(individuals and companies) hav

Re: [LINK] Security 'vs.' Privacy [Was Re: A security question

if n entities(individuals and companies) have effectively infinite wealth leverage and privacy why would transparent civil groups have an impact if the law can be changed through secret trade agreements (dmca) and governments do not resist private priorities. people learn from what happens to thos

Re: [LINK] Security 'vs.' Privacy [Was Re: A security question

Great stuff Janet! Join an appropriate Committee or Board of APF, or EFA, and multiply your and our impacts. http://www.privacy.org.au/About/Contacts.html http://www.efa.org.au _ At 12:22 +1030 19/12/13, Janet Hawtin wrote: On 19 December 2013 11:35, Roger Clarke <

Re: [LINK] A security question

On 2013-12-19 11:06 Jim Birch wrote: > >From the behaviour of banks we might infer: > > (1) Multifactor identification is too hard for a proportion of their customers I find that really hard to believe! In any case there's an issue around acceptance of responsibility. If someone wants the con

Re: [LINK] Security 'vs.' Privacy [Was Re: A security question

On 19 December 2013 11:35, Roger Clarke wrote: > At 11:09 +1030 19/12/13, Janet Hawtin wrote: > >Where do security/privacy overlap? > > Reject the 'you can have security or privacy - choose one' mythology. > I am playing an online computer game. It used to have trouble with bot players distortin

[LINK] Depiction of wind at various altitudes, other weather pages

Here is a new addition to my collection of weather URLs: http://earth.nullschool.net/ I read about it at http://www.universetoday.com. It is a javascript-driven, apparently very fluid, display of wind direction anywhere on Earth, with data updated from various models every 3 hours. There is a

Re: [LINK] A security question

On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 4:25 PM, Roger Clarke wrote: > >(2) The actual level of successful hacking is passably low > > I think that factor needs re-phrasing, e.g.: > > (2) The level of successful hacking that costs banks serious money > or material reputational harm is sufficiently low. > Rephr

Re: [LINK] A security question

At 11:06 +1100 19/12/13, Jim Birch wrote: >From the behaviour of banks we might infer: >(1) Multifactor identification is too hard for a proportion of their >customers >(2) The actual level of successful hacking is passably low I think that factor needs re-phrasing, e.g.: (2) The level of succe

[LINK] Security 'vs.' Privacy [Was Re: A security question

At 11:09 +1030 19/12/13, Janet Hawtin wrote: >Where do security/privacy overlap? Reject the 'you can have security or privacy - choose one' mythology. It was created by national security extremists to get control of the agenda. There are multiple alternative scope definitions, from data, via the

Re: [LINK] A security question

On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 3:23 PM, David Lochrin wrote: > Westpac will also provide an RSA SecurID fob for authorisation of > withdrawals over a certain user-defined amount, though I think I had to > request one. The RSA attack was over two years ago I believe and involved > theft of the database

Re: [LINK] A security question

Where do security/privacy overlap? Who decides? On 19 December 2013 11:02, Scott Howard wrote: > On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Roger Clarke >wrote: > > > NAB's 'solution' for such customers is to set a bank-imposed (not > > customer-selected) daily transaction ceiling ($2500), and preclude

Re: [LINK] A security question

On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Roger Clarke wrote: > NAB's 'solution' for such customers is to set a bank-imposed (not > customer-selected) daily transaction ceiling ($2500), and preclude > use of Internet Banking for overseas data transfers. > They also offer a number of other options for such

Re: [LINK] A security question

Jim, I think you are right in one sense. I now have two fobs, one for ING and the other for Citibank. One per account could quickly become very confusing, remembering which was which. Also, my wife has a fob for Citibank, and this is all just too much technology for her. Both fobs look identica

Re: [LINK] A security question

>On 18/12/13 15:23, Dr Bob Jansen wrote: >> I don't think ANZ offers the token option, at least they have not >>mentioned it to me when I discussed my coming to Korea with them. At 15:33 +1100 18/12/13, Hamish Moffatt wrote: >No, not yet for personal customers. Annoying While we're handing

Re: [LINK] A security question

On 19/12/2013 8:33 AM, Tom Worthington wrote: > > These fobs do provide a high level of security, if they have not been > compromised. > > St George bank uses a lower cost approach, where their system sends a > code by SMS to the customer's phone, to verify the first high value > transfer to a n

Re: [LINK] UN declares that the right to privacy,

I wonder how long democracy will remain unchanged with no privacy. I wonder how long corporate in confidence and pty ltd will remain unchanged. ___ Link mailing list Link@mailman.anu.edu.au http://mailman.anu.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/link

Re: [LINK] A security question

>From the behaviour of banks we might infer: (1) Multifactor identification is too hard for a proportion of their customers (2) The actual level of successful hacking is passably low (3) So, it is simpler to run suspicious activity monitors and guarantee accounts - Jim On 19 December 2013 10:2

Re: [LINK] UN declares that the right to privacy,

On Thu, 2013-12-19 at 09:19 +1100, Bernard Robertson-Dunn wrote: > On 18/12/2013 10:27 PM, Karl Auer wrote: > > This does not protect the fact of an email exchange, the time of the > > exchange, the received list and so on, but it completely protects the > > content of the message. Not even the adm

Re: [LINK] UN declares that the right to privacy,

On 18 December 2013 18:10, wrote: > > Maybe. Although I respect this opinion, personal responsibility matters. I have a quote on this that I lifted from somewhere :) Auer's Theorem: Any solution that involves "everybody" will fail. I might be misrepresenting Karl but to me this means a soluti

Re: [LINK] UN declares that the right to privacy,

On 18/12/2013 10:27 PM, Karl Auer wrote: > This does not protect the fact of an email exchange, the time of the > exchange, the received list and so on, but it completely protects the > content of the message. Not even the administrators of the servers your > email passes through or is stored on

[LINK] Wink, you're on candid google camera

[this is a worry what was that about having some indication on the glasses to let someone know they are in eyeshot of a camera? This is going to end in tears for someone. Gee, a passing reference to privacy. There are more embedded links in the article.] Google Glass lets users take photos

Re: [LINK] A security question

On 2013-12-18 15:23 Dr Bob wrote: > As I said in my original email, ING and CitiBank required the use of a token > and each have provided a RSA fob. Sorry for the spam then - I should have read your email more closely before responding! > As an aside, ING and Citibank have provided me with an

Re: [LINK] A security question

On 18/12/13 08:03, Dr Bob Jansen wrote: > ... ING and Citibank have provided me with an RSA fob to > verify who I am in certain transactions. ... These fobs do provide a high level of security, if they have not been compromised. St George bank uses a lower cost approach, where their system send

Re: [LINK] UN declares that the right to privacy,

On 18/12/13 6:10 PM, step...@melbpc.org.au wrote: > And right now breaking https takes time and processing grunt If https was secure, the NSA wouldn't allow it to exist. ...R. ___ Link mailing list Link@mailman.anu.edu.au http://mailman.anu.edu.au/m

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When you can communicate via email to someone who is not technical then maybe but at the moment, gpg/pgp is not ready for non-tech use. Even techs find it hard to use. On 2013/Dec/18, at 10:27 PM, Karl Auer wrote: > On Wed, 2013-12-18 at 21:35 +1100, Kim Holburn wrote: >>> Indeed Jim, you and

Re: [LINK] UN declares that the right to privacy,

On Wed, 2013-12-18 at 21:35 +1100, Kim Holburn wrote: > > Indeed Jim, you and anyone can have state-of-the-art email privacy right > > now, without doing anything radically difficult or special. > > If you can find a secure email server. Not necessary - just use PGP. Or a certificate from a CA y

Re: [LINK] UN declares that the right to privacy,

On 2013/Dec/18, at 6:10 PM, step...@melbpc.org.au wrote: > Jim writes, > >> This (U.S. court challenge) actually seems a little more hopeful than >> individual encryption actions (most people won't do this stuff) ... > > > Maybe. Although I respect this opinion, personal responsibility matters

Re: [LINK] A security question

Yeah, Three factor authentication is pretty much becoming the standard nowadays. With the CBA anybody who wanted to nail your account would have to know the account number, the account password and, as you point out, the token displayed on either your mobile (and I wouldn't recommend getting th