Lx86

2008-10-16 Thread Richard Gasiorowski
Question for someone @ IBM. Lx86 is a feature provided for on the p series whihc allows Linux binaries to execute on the p system without a recompile. Since IBM professes a philosophy of providing like platform capabilities. the question is When can we expect this features functions available on

Re: Lx86

2008-10-16 Thread Rich Smrcina
Richard Gasiorowski wrote: Question for someone @ IBM. Lx86 is a feature provided for on the p series whihc allows Linux binaries to execute on the p system without a recompile. Since IBM professes a philosophy of providing like platform capabilities. the question is When can we expect this

hipersocket

2008-10-16 Thread Ceruti, Gerard G
Hi All When defining the QDIO CHPID in HCD is there any issue with defining a Frame Size of 64K ?, if we leave our MTU at 8K other than the some storage wastage are there any other issues we need to be aware of Regards Gerard Ceruti may the 'z' be with you

Re: Lx86

2008-10-16 Thread Mark Perry
Rich Smrcina wrote: Watch this space... In Q1 2009 Mantissa will deliver a system that permits unaltered Windows operating systems to run under z/VM. Using a desktop appliance running RDC, users will be able to connect to their virtual Windows images running in the VM environment. Goodbye

Re: hipersocket

2008-10-16 Thread Mark Perry
Ceruti, Gerard G wrote: Hi All When defining the QDIO CHPID in HCD is there any issue with defining a Frame Size of 64K ?, if we leave our MTU at 8K other than the some storage wastage are there any other issues we need to be aware of Regards Gerard Ceruti may the 'z' be with you Hi

Re: Lx86

2008-10-16 Thread Little, Chris
-Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich Smrcina Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 9:19 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Lx86 Goodbye desktop hardware, remote maintenance, high power consumption, machine order lead time. Hello

Re: Lx86

2008-10-16 Thread David Boyes
You can partially do this now with QEMU. We're working on some extensions to improve the usability. -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port on behalf of Richard Gasiorowski Sent: Thu 10/16/2008 10:02 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Lx86 Question for someone @ IBM. Lx86

Re: hipersocket

2008-10-16 Thread Ceruti, Gerard G
Hi Mark This is pure HiperSocket setup, all internal on the same CEC, RHEL and SUSE guests talking to DB2 on zOS. Regards Gerard Ceruti may the 'z' be with you -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Perry Sent: 16 October 2008 06:03 PM

Re: Lx86

2008-10-16 Thread John McKown
On Thu, 16 Oct 2008, Little, Chris wrote: -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich Smrcina Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 9:19 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Lx86 Goodbye desktop hardware, remote maintenance, high power

Re: Lx86

2008-10-16 Thread Richard Gasiorowski
Dave, Whats QEMU? And who is we're working on it. I have a situation NOW that can use this type of capability. What I find interesting is the total Hush from the IBM team on this topic. 'Where ever you go - There you are!! ' Richard (Gaz) Gasiorowski Global Solutions Technology Principal

Re: Lx86

2008-10-16 Thread RPN01
I thought that graphics, in general, was not a good use of the System Z resources?.? Aren't you looking at putting a high CPU load task onto the mainframe server, rather than farming it out to the desktop, where it belongs? Now, maybe Windows servers would be a different idea altogether... --

Re: hipersocket

2008-10-16 Thread Ron Foster at Baldor-IS
Gerard, In a qdio environment, you have a queue of buffers (default 16 inbound). Depending on you situation, the storage wastage can add up. I am not sure, but I think that these buffers have to be locked in storage. If you have a large number of hipersocket connections and a large number of

Re: Lx86

2008-10-16 Thread Richard Gasiorowski
This is about x86 servers running Linux NOT windows. THis feature availale on system p allows for Linux application binaries built on an x86 arch to run on the sysem p 'Where ever you go - There you are!! ' Richard (Gaz) Gasiorowski Global Solutions Technology Principal Lead Infrastructure

Re: Lx86

2008-10-16 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port On Behalf Of John McKown On Thu, 16 Oct 2008, Little, Chris wrote: -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [On Behalf Of Rich Smrcina Goodbye desktop hardware, remote maintenance, high power consumption, machine order

Re: Lx86

2008-10-16 Thread Higgins, Neil S
QEMU The Open Source Processor Emulator http://bellard.org/qemu/ I use a pre-configured QEMU to run Damn Small Linux on a Windows desktop. An individual this was demonstrated for was very surprised; their comment was Microsoft won't allow you to do that! 8-)) -Original Message- From:

Re: Lx86

2008-10-16 Thread Little, Chris
-Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chase, John Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 2:12 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Lx86 -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port On Behalf Of John McKown On Thu, 16 Oct 2008,

Re: Lx86

2008-10-16 Thread Scott Rohling
Ok - I'm intrigued - you're running QEMU under Linux under z/VM? (and then some x86 OS under that?) Scott Rohling On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 10:47 AM, David Boyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can partially do this now with QEMU. We're working on some extensions to improve the usability.

Re: Lx86

2008-10-16 Thread Mark Post
On 10/16/2008 at 10:02 AM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Richard Gasiorowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Question for someone @ IBM. Lx86 is a feature provided for on the p series whihc allows Linux binaries to execute on the p system without a recompile. Given the difference in endianness

Re: Lx86

2008-10-16 Thread Richard Gasiorowski
I dont know about QEMU my original question was targeted for our IBM reps on this forum. Lx86 available for the system p allows x86 linux server applications to execute on the system p without recompile or link. So again when will this same feature be available for the system z. This has

Re: Lx86

2008-10-16 Thread Richard Gasiorowski
Given the difference in endianness between x86(_64) and System z, I would have to say this would be a rather bad idea. IBM has been able to get by this difference on the system p 'Where ever you go - There you are!! ' Richard (Gaz) Gasiorowski Global Solutions Technology Principal Lead

Re: Lx86

2008-10-16 Thread James Tison
You are correct. System p is much different. POWER has a bit in the page table entry which says this page (bunch of pages) is little-endian. Make sure register LOADs and STOREs work appropriately in this address range. Lx86 depends on this architectural feature, which z does not have. --Jim--

Re: Lx86

2008-10-16 Thread Alan Altmark
On Thursday, 10/16/2008 at 02:19 EDT, Richard Gasiorowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whats QEMU? And who is we're working on it. I have a situation NOW that can use this type of capability. What I find interesting is the total Hush from the IBM team on this topic. What do you want IBM to say,

Re: Lx86

2008-10-16 Thread Richard Gasiorowski
Alan, I want IBM to say we can get it to ya!! :). Alpha beta whatever. Alan this kind of tool helps in selling zlinux and overcomes one of the arguments we constantly have to deal with at my company 'Where ever you go - There you are!! ' Richard (Gaz) Gasiorowski Global Solutions Technology

Re: Lx86

2008-10-16 Thread David Boyes
On 10/16/08 2:12 PM, Richard Gasiorowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whats QEMU? QEMU is a set of dynamic code generation tools that can take binaries for one CPU architecture and run them on a different CPU architecture with some additional processing to map system calls and some other incidental

Re: Lx86

2008-10-16 Thread John Summerfield
Chase, John wrote: -Original Message- Goodbye desktop hardware, remote maintenance, high power consumption, machine order lead time. Hello obscene waste of CPU cycles But the same can be said of running Windows on Intel as well! grin A lot cheaper there Did you check

Re: Lx86

2008-10-16 Thread John Summerfield
David Boyes wrote: On 10/16/08 2:12 PM, Richard Gasiorowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whats QEMU? QEMU is a set of dynamic code generation tools that can take binaries for one CPU architecture and run them on a different CPU architecture with some additional processing to map system calls and

Re: Lx86

2008-10-16 Thread David Boyes
On 10/16/08 4:25 PM, Scott Rohling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok - I'm intrigued - you're running QEMU under Linux under z/VM? (and then some x86 OS under that?) Tru64 5.1 for Alpha on OpenSolaris, at the moment. Remember that the Intel stuff isn't quite done yet. That could change if

Re: hipersocket

2008-10-16 Thread Mark Perry
Ceruti, Gerard G wrote: Hi Mark This is pure HiperSocket setup, all internal on the same CEC, RHEL and SUSE guests talking to DB2 on zOS. Regards Gerard Ceruti may the 'z' be with you Hi Gerard, I believe you are working with Jochen Roehig? If so he is in discussions with Volker