Re: Layer 2 frames passing through a Linux bridge get dropped before leaving the mainframe box

2014-02-20 Thread Pavelka, Tomas
>so you must be performing MAC address translation such that you look more like >a a layer 2 router (a la OSA in layer 3 mode), not an 802.1d bridge (I said >802.3 earlier; I meant 802.1d.) That is, all guests on the PUBLIC vswitch have the same MAC address as viewed by all hosts on the PRIVATE

Re: Mainframe vs x86 analysis

2014-02-20 Thread Lizette Koehler
One area I would include would be SLAs and how quickly for recovery in a DR or OR (Operational Recovery) situation. As well as type of tasks (web, BYOD, B2B, etc). Your decisions should be around your company environment. If it is okay for a task to complete in Days then either platform works.

Mainframe vs x86 analysis

2014-02-20 Thread Mark Smith
Hello Everyone, Firstly, I just want to say that I'm new to this list and have been impressed with the great information I've seen from the list so far. My employer is trying to establish if they should continue to invest in mainframe technology or migrate to a virtualized x86 platform (virtual se

Re: Layer 2 frames passing through a Linux bridge get dropped before leaving the mainframe box

2014-02-20 Thread Alan Altmark
On Thursday, 02/20/2014 at 09:33 EST, "Pavelka, Tomas" wrote: > > Further, the VSWITCH is already acting as an IEEE 802.3 layer 2 bridge and > its filtering database will drop unicast frames destined for unknown MAC > addresses. > > One thing I forgot to mention: We have successfully sent packets

Re: Layer 2 frames passing through a Linux bridge get dropped before leaving the mainframe box

2014-02-20 Thread Pavelka, Tomas
> Further, the VSWITCH is already acting as an IEEE 802.3 layer 2 bridge and > its filtering database will drop unicast frames destined for unknown MAC > addresses. One thing I forgot to mention: We have successfully sent packets between two vswitches connected to a Linux bridge (LINUX1 and LIN

Re: Layer 2 frames passing through a Linux bridge get dropped before leaving the mainframe box

2014-02-20 Thread Pavelka, Tomas
> What is LINUXBR doing for you that the VSWITCH cannot do for you? We are in the business of porting software that works on top of a Linux bridge. We have a kernel driver that hooks into the Linux bridge and filters layer 2 frames based on rules. We got it working on Xen, VMware and inside z/VM

Re: Layer 2 frames passing through a Linux bridge get dropped before leaving the mainframe box

2014-02-20 Thread Alan Altmark
On Thursday, 02/20/2014 at 03:08 EST, "Pavelka, Tomas" wrote: > We have a problem where frames that pass through a Linux bridge do not reach > the gateway outside of the mainframe box. We have set up an experiment that > reproduces the problem, which looks like this: > > (LINUX1) - - (LINUXBR) -

Re: Layer 2 frames passing through a Linux bridge get dropped before leaving the mainframe box

2014-02-20 Thread Berthold Gunreben
I did not really try, but what you probably could do, is using MAC Masquerading with ebtables on your LINUXBR machine. http://ebtables.sourceforge.net/br_fw_ia/br_fw_ia.html Berthold On Thu, 20 Feb 2014 09:35:00 +0100 Carsten Otte wrote: > This setup won't work, because Linux negotiates its mac

Re: Layer 2 frames passing through a Linux bridge get dropped before leaving the mainframe box

2014-02-20 Thread Carlos Romero Martin
On Thu, 20 Feb 2014 09:44:45 +, Pavelka, Tomas wrote: Another question that comes to mind is, if there is negotiation with OSA, how does Linux tell that there is a real OSA involved? My assumptions (which may be false ;-)) were that Linux as a z/VM guest should not be able to tell whether a N

Re: Layer 2 frames passing through a Linux bridge get dropped before leaving the mainframe box

2014-02-20 Thread Pavelka, Tomas
Another question that comes to mind is, if there is negotiation with OSA, how does Linux tell that there is a real OSA involved? My assumptions (which may be false ;-)) were that Linux as a z/VM guest should not be able to tell whether a NIC is real or virtual. And in our case the NIC is always

Re: Layer 2 frames passing through a Linux bridge get dropped before leaving the mainframe box

2014-02-20 Thread Pavelka, Tomas
Thanks, this means a big change to our plans ;-) Do you know if there are any public docs (or source code) that we could look at to understand how the negotiation works? Tomas -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of Carsten Otte Sent: Th

Re: Layer 2 frames passing through a Linux bridge get dropped before leaving the mainframe box

2014-02-20 Thread Carsten Otte
This setup won't work, because Linux negotiates its mac address with the OSA, and cannot send frames from another mac. You could use ip forwarding, and have Linux route on layer 3. This should work, as long as you use the OSA in layer 2 mode. with kind regards Carsten Otte System z firmware develo

Layer 2 frames passing through a Linux bridge get dropped before leaving the mainframe box

2014-02-20 Thread Pavelka, Tomas
We have a problem where frames that pass through a Linux bridge do not reach the gateway outside of the mainframe box. We have set up an experiment that reproduces the problem, which looks like this: (LINUX1) - - (LINUXBR) - - OSA - gateway The problem is that in this setup we cannot ping the