> > > less software costs (one copy per engine vs one copy each for each
>boxes) then
> > > most other platforms.
> >
> > software costs lower. How many copies of Red Hat PC boxed set can
>you buy
> > for a VM license ;)
>
>How much is a SuSe Linux/390 distribution these days? A German user
>told
I'll have a wander round the expo; 'no budget for the rest this year' :(
Mike
>Hello from Gregg C Levine normally with Jedi Knight Computers
>
>Has anyone who has registered to attend the event(s), gotten their
>registration materials, as of Friday? I have not. I am looking forward
>to Tuesday's
snip..
>It may not be a question of SuSE-on-S/390 versus no Linux-on-S/390, you
>know. Further, it may well be going into a shop that wants to run Linux
>on Intel boxes as well. Those shops usually want to use a single
>vendor's Linux distributions across their platforms. There is at least
>on
>What happened to www.linuxvm.org? I just visited the site and found it
>was a home page for Velocity Software.
>
>Is my memory failing and the url is really something else?
>
>?
Nope that's correct and it really is Velocity:
Registrant:
Velocity Software, Inc. (LINUXVM2-DOM)
196-D Castr
snip...
>The download location for the latest SuSE Linux Enterprise Server is:
>ftp://nozzle.suse.de/pub/suse/s390/sles7-beta/31-bit/cd1/
>ftp://nozzle.suse.de/pub/suse/s390/sles7-beta/31-bit/cd2/
>
>
>Trial versions are based on the GA version of the current SLES versions.
>Under
>a special agre
snip...
>b) You must cause any work that you distribute or publish,
>that in whole or in part contains or is derived from the
>Program or any part thereof, to be licensed as a whole at
>no charge to all third parties under the terms of this License.
>
>It seems quite clear to me that no one can c
snip..
>I'm not actually saying anything different. I wish SuSE well in their
>efforts to sell maintenance and support - it's a major requirement for
>corporate acceptance.
Agreed entirely. Remember though, the nice thing about open-source is that,
if you're a big/confident enough outfit, you're
> > > > Under a special agreement you may use SuSE Linux Enterprise Server
> > > > for S/390 and zSeries for sixty (60) calendar days for testing
> > > > purposes (e.g. proof of concept). Trial versions must not be used in
> > > > production, and they must not be redistributed.
> >
> > > isn't thi
>I just couldn't pass this one up...
>
> > The download location for the latest SuSE Linux Enterprise Server is:
> > ftp://nozzle.suse.de/pub/suse/s390/sles7-beta/31-bit/cd1/
> > ftp://nozzle.suse.de/pub/suse/s390/sles7-beta/31-bit/cd2/
> >
>OK, we are going to download this from a FTP site.
>I did reread the press release. It says "After the 60-days trial period
>you
>might decide to purchase the full product, or you return the software back
>to
>SuSE".
>
>Now, since you downloaded it, to return the software, are you suppose to
>upload
>it?
>
>(You must be working too muchno sen
Mark,
Don't know if I qualify as more than a very occasional member of the
community, but if you want a pic try my website at
http://www.corestore.org/intro.html
The least bad pics are to be found on the 'wedding photos' page!
Cut paste and edit as you wish.
Mike
>For some time now, I've bee
> > http://www.corestore.org/intro.html
>
>THIS could be PROMISING.
>When we all run out of work, we can swipe Mike's
>gas turbine to power our surplus 9672s and 3090s and what not.
That's my cunning plan... recently got in touch with a guy who's about to
give up on restoring a 370/148 as he can
>But that was my question. Since IBM and VMWare are partnering on this
>effort, would IBM have contributed any sort of functionality lifted from
>z/VM? If not, why the partnership? Romney has stated that there are going
>to be certain conceptual similarities, and I realized that from the
>begin
Some amusment over on the Hercules list - the 'Linux on S/390' Redbook,
SG244987, originally contained a chapter on running Linux on the Hercules
emulator. Not surprising - it's known to be used by quite a few folks inside
IBM.
As of (apparently) March 21st, the Redbook has been revised (without
> > As of (apparently) March 21st, the Redbook has been revised (without
> > incrementing the version number, contrary to normal IBM
> > practice), and *all*
> > references to Hercules have been carefully expunged!
> > Anyone with a clue what's going on? Suspicious of rewriting history!
>
>Pure sp
> > Some amusment over on the Hercules list - the 'Linux on S/390' Redbook,
> > SG244987, originally contained a chapter on running Linux on the
>Hercules
> > emulator. Not surprising - it's known to be used by quite a few folks
>inside
> > IBM.
>
>It was, certainly. Is it still?
I've no idea -
snip..
>According to Jay's site the product is called: "The Hercules System/370,
>ESA/390, and
>z/Architecture Emulator".
>
>That's three IBM trademarks, right there.
No, that's the *title* of the *page* Phil! It tells you what the page is
about (Hercules) and what that is (it's a System/370, ESA
There are several news servers that listen on additional ports to get around
this very problem - teranews, for one, listens on port 25, and several ports
in the 750X range.
Mike
>My concern is if this list is turned into a newsgroup, I won't be able to
>access it from work. I'm not conversant wi
>From: Phil Payne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
snip...
>Armed with your refusals, I placed Yahoo 'on notice' of both the obscenity
>and the libel with
>a "Notice and Take Down". I indicated that I had already contacted the
>moderators and had met
>only with blank refusals - I included the URLs of both of
I've done the obvious and posted the 'missing' chapter from the Linux/390
redbook on the web for those who need it. 47Kb, .rtf format.
It's at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hercules-390/files/
Now, I *think* you may need to be a member of the Hercules list to get
access to the files area, but t
>You miss the point. This is not some challenge for the edu-weenies or
>script kiddies to surmount.
>It is a company policy/rule. Though shalt not ... It doesn't make any
>difference how you do it
>or why, violating the policy is grounds for dismissal.
>
>As I said earlier, "I can neither read nor
>From: Phil Payne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > I've done the obvious and posted the 'missing' chapter from the
>Linux/390
> > redbook on the web for those who need it. 47Kb, .rtf format.
> >
> > It's at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hercules-390/files/
>
>Dangerous. I doubt very much that an entire
My first post on this subject didn't make it through moderation...
You can get a copy from IBM, on their Taiwanese website (the Redbook IS in
English!) - go to:
http://www2.tw.ibm.com/cgi-bin/db2www/techdoc/index.d2w/report
You'll see it listed about four items up from the bottom. Click on it, a
about that? If I try to access the first URL, it just bounces
me to the second one. I may have been too slow.
Mark Post
-Original Message-----
From: Mike Ross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 5:48 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Yet Another
Fortunately it's still available from IBM Taiwan, who it seems aren't
singing from quite the same hymnsheet as the folks in the USA :)
http://www2.tw.ibm.com/cgi-bin/db2www/techdoc/check.d2w/report?No=194
See also http://www2.tw.ibm.com/cgi-bin/db2www/techdoc/index.d2w/report
Grab it before the
Thanks for the good news Mike!
I speak for myself and not for IBM.
I should be working on CUPS and Samba printing, but this thread has created
an itch I just have to scratch. I'll shed some light on the conspiracy
theory, though you won't find a smoking gun :))
In October of this year, both
On Tue, 14 Jan 2003 17:03:19 +0100 Phil Payne said:
>Subject: I got unsubscribed...
>
>People have been unsubscribed before, for reasons that no one ever had
the guts to admit.
Not on this list. If I do it, I'll admit to it. Generally it is bounces
or out of office messages. I've never done any
so correct me if i am wrong
if you want to stay current with Linux (either Suse or RedHat)
you are going to have to pay.
I can't speak WRT RedHat, but with Suse you have a problem - they don't put
the latest distro on their public ftp, you are reliant on 3rd parties if you
want to download the l
> so correct me if i am wrong
> if you want to stay current with Linux (either Suse or RedHat)
> you are going to have to pay.
Yes. That's how they pay their bills.
I was under the impression that they pay their bills primarily from the
revenue stream they get for *support* - the GPL means they
I think YAST prevents you from doing so with SuSE, but I'm only going on
hearsay. SuSE users are better-placed to suggest, but read the licence.
YAST license permits free redistribution, but you can't charge. Maybe just
the cost of the media if it's CD rather than FTP?
Mike
http://www.corestore.o
On Thu, 6 Mar 2003 16:27:30 -0600, Lucius, Leland
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Yes, that's correct. The z900 uses the same processor chip
as the z800, but it's clocked
faster and better packaged.
Think there's a jumper or two we could use on the z8s to overclock 'em?
;-)
Unfortunately it's in the mi
On Thu, 20 Mar 2003 14:49:54 -0500, Adam Thornton
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Thu, Mar 20, 2003 at 12:21:54PM -0600, Richard Troth wrote:
Warning to all:
The night Marilyn and I had some stew Dave had made
(it was really good!) she went into labor with our first child.
Presumably not *every* mem
On Wed, 26 Mar 2003 09:43:56 +0100, Benny Thys
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Our customer wants to install SuSE 8 (SLES 8) for S390 (working on a
Multiprise 3000), does anyone know where it can be downloaded ?
Benny
Suse have chosen not to make it available on their FTP site. I think we
have a copy so
On Wed, 26 Mar 2003 11:14:05 -0600, Rich Smrcina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Then SuSE doesn't get compensated for their hard work, they stop making
money
and stop making a distribution. Who wins?
This is Linux. Open-source. You can't make a business plan predicated on
being able to raise revenue f
On Wed, 26 Mar 2003 19:14:36 +, Alan Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
On Wed, 2003-03-26 at 17:14, Rich Smrcina wrote:
Then SuSE doesn't get compensated for their hard work, they stop making
money
and stop making a distribution. Who wins?
*WHOSE* hard work
Well said Alan..
Mike
http://
On Wed, 26 Mar 2003 22:54:16 +0200, Tzafrir Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
snip..
* A major one: the distro is not worth much without the patches. What
you download from that server is nice for testing, but it is still not
enough for production, because it lacks, say, the latest sendmail
patch. S
Folks,
Not sure how many of those IBM ever actually sold - I've spoken to a couple
of hardware brokers who have handled hundreds of Multiprises but never
*heard of* an Application Starterpack 3000... anyway, I'm looking for one.
If anyone here knows someone who might be getting rid of one, or who
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