How to convince others. Was: Re: mono keep guest active - ban the blips.

2010-08-19 Thread Berry van Sleeuwen
That's a good way to make things clear. Especially to management. Here is a challenge. We are in the process of enrolling new machines into production. Part of that is that they want to force us to install a general monitoring tool (nagios and local scripting). We noticed quite a dramatic increase

Re: How to convince others. Was: Re: mono keep guest active - ban the blips.

2010-08-19 Thread David Kreuter
Are Nagios and local scripts waking up needlessly? or are they doing legitimate work even if it is wasteful? David Kreuter Original Message Subject: How to convince others. Was: Re: mono keep guest active - ban the blips. From: Berry van Sleeuwen Date: Thu, August 19, 2010 3

Re: How to convince others. Was: Re: mono keep guest active - ban the blips.

2010-08-19 Thread Rich Smrcina
A 'general monitoring tool' is not a performance monitor. In an environment where efficient resource utilization is critical to the business, a means to monitor: - the performance of the virtual machine environment - the virtual machines running in that environment - potentially systems outboa

Re: How to convince others. Was: Re: mono keep guest active - ban the blips.

2010-08-19 Thread Berry van Sleeuwen
id Kreuter schreef: > Are Nagios and local scripts waking up needlessly? or are they doing > legitimate work even if it is wasteful? > David Kreuter > > > Original Message ---- > Subject: How to convince others. Was: Re: mono keep guest active - ban > the blips.

Re: How to convince others. Was: Re: mono keep guest active - ban the blips.

2010-08-19 Thread Berry van Sleeuwen
True, it isn't. It's the replacement of an operator. The main issue here is that it needs to raise tickets and get reporting stats. For instance, raise a ticket at 100% CPU (and indeed, our ABS limithard machines do raise tickets when they are running their batch...) or when a filesystem is at 100%

Re: How to convince others. Was: Re: mono keep guest active - ban the blips.

2010-08-19 Thread Rich Smrcina
If your batch runs regularly or consistently drive some virtual machines to 100% this may not signal a loop condition (which, I would guess, is why the ticket is being raised). Techs may grow conditioned to this and either take longer to respond or just outright 'ignore' the tickets eventuall

Re: How to convince others. Was: Re: mono keep guest active - ban the blips.

2010-08-19 Thread Rogério Soares
Berry, to monitor some stats of lpar using nagios, we set up a machine with high class level, and make some scripts to use vmcp module to query and filter informations... i have sure that is not the best way, but, some times we need improvise :-) On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 7:51 PM, Berry van Sle

Re: How to convince others. Was: Re: mono keep guest active - ban the blips.

2010-08-19 Thread Marcy Cortes
riginal Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Rich Smrcina Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 4:39 PM To: LINUX-390@vm.marist.edu Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] How to convince others. Was: Re: mono keep guest active - ban the blips. If your batch runs regula

Re: How to convince others. Was: Re: mono keep guest active - ban the blips.

2010-08-20 Thread van Sleeuwen, Berry
;s actual resource usage is. Berry. -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Rich Smrcina Sent: vrijdag 20 augustus 2010 1:39 To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: How to convince others. Was: Re: mono keep guest active - ban the blips. When your

Re: How to convince others. Was: Re: mono keep guest active - ban the blips.

2010-08-20 Thread David Boyes
> If only the monitor could 'know' that the machine was running this > batch load at a > certain time of day and had an absolute share and was running 100% for > an extended > period of time. It could be set up to not sent out alerts based on all > of these > criteria. Wow! That would be a very

Re: How to convince others. Was: Re: mono keep guest active - ban the blips.

2010-08-20 Thread Rich Smrcina
It's smart enough to know that *z/VM* has allocated it an absolute share? On 08/20/2010 05:13 AM, David Boyes wrote: If only the monitor could 'know' that the machine was running this batch load at a certain time of day and had an absolute share and was running 100% for an extended period of ti

Re: How to convince others. Was: Re: mono keep guest active - ban the blips.

2010-08-20 Thread David Boyes
> It's smart enough to know that *z/VM* has allocated it an absolute > share? It does have the ability to set time of day/shift-based parameters. As to the z/VM part, come to OLF and see. 8-) -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signo

Re: How to convince others. Was: Re: mono keep guest active - ban the blips.

2010-08-20 Thread Rogério Soares
David, i'm confuse now... nagios 3 will be able to comunicate with zvm "directely" or you talking about a especific plugin using vmcp ou something like this ? Sorry if i ask something obvious... On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 11:12 AM, David Boyes wrote: > > It's smart enough to know that *z/VM* ha

Re: How to convince others. Was: Re: mono keep guest active - ban the blips.

2010-08-20 Thread Rogério Soares
forget David.. i figured out now... 2010/8/20 Rogério Soares > David, > > i'm confuse now... nagios 3 will be able to comunicate with zvm "directely" > or you talking about a especific plugin using vmcp ou something like this ? > Sorry if i ask something obvious... > > > > On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 a

Re: How to convince others. Was: Re: mono keep guest active - ban the blips.

2010-08-20 Thread Rob van der Heij
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 12:40 AM, Berry van Sleeuwen wrote: > Nagios is in use at the server side. Each client (our servers) has the > nagios client, with scipting instead of the nagios plugins, and sec. While parts of the Nagios user interface are pretty slick, it just does not scale. While the

Re: How to convince others. Was: Re: mono keep guest active - ban the blips.

2010-08-24 Thread Agblad Tore
3233569 E-mail: tore.agb...@volvo.com http://www.volvo.com/volvoit/global/en-gb/ -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Rob van der Heij Sent: den 20 augusti 2010 23:08 To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: How to convince others. Was: Re