Re: How to convince others. Was: Re: mono keep guest active - ban the blips.

2010-08-24 Thread Agblad Tore
You can try getting more control of the environment. We don't install all these 'Unix/Linux' std packages in zLinux, because they don't fit in, or give inaccurate data. CPU load for example, we get that from z/VM instead, and our arguments to the organisation here is bought. We select appropriate

Re: How to convince others. Was: Re: mono keep guest active - ban the blips.

2010-08-20 Thread van Sleeuwen, Berry
You know it, I know it. But some people tend to believe only what they *think* they know. In this case unfortunalty the monitoring team is regarded as the specialist and I'm 'only' a VM sysprog. I have proven *) on several occasions that the numbers are off, in some case even way off but still

Re: How to convince others. Was: Re: mono keep guest active - ban the blips.

2010-08-20 Thread David Boyes
If only the monitor could 'know' that the machine was running this batch load at a certain time of day and had an absolute share and was running 100% for an extended period of time. It could be set up to not sent out alerts based on all of these criteria. Wow! That would be a very nice

Re: How to convince others. Was: Re: mono keep guest active - ban the blips.

2010-08-20 Thread Rich Smrcina
It's smart enough to know that *z/VM* has allocated it an absolute share? On 08/20/2010 05:13 AM, David Boyes wrote: If only the monitor could 'know' that the machine was running this batch load at a certain time of day and had an absolute share and was running 100% for an extended period of

Re: How to convince others. Was: Re: mono keep guest active - ban the blips.

2010-08-20 Thread David Boyes
It's smart enough to know that *z/VM* has allocated it an absolute share? It does have the ability to set time of day/shift-based parameters. As to the z/VM part, come to OLF and see. 8-) -- For LINUX-390 subscribe /

Re: How to convince others. Was: Re: mono keep guest active - ban the blips.

2010-08-20 Thread Rogério Soares
David, i'm confuse now... nagios 3 will be able to comunicate with zvm directely or you talking about a especific plugin using vmcp ou something like this ? Sorry if i ask something obvious... On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 11:12 AM, David Boyes dbo...@sinenomine.net wrote: It's smart enough to

Re: How to convince others. Was: Re: mono keep guest active - ban the blips.

2010-08-20 Thread Rogério Soares
forget David.. i figured out now... 2010/8/20 Rogério Soares rogerio.soa...@gmail.com David, i'm confuse now... nagios 3 will be able to comunicate with zvm directely or you talking about a especific plugin using vmcp ou something like this ? Sorry if i ask something obvious... On Fri,

Re: How to convince others. Was: Re: mono keep guest active - ban the blips.

2010-08-20 Thread Rob van der Heij
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 12:40 AM, Berry van Sleeuwen berry.vansleeu...@xs4all.nl wrote: Nagios is in use at the server side. Each client (our servers) has the nagios client, with scipting instead of the nagios plugins, and sec. While parts of the Nagios user interface are pretty slick, it just

How to convince others. Was: Re: mono keep guest active - ban the blips.

2010-08-19 Thread Berry van Sleeuwen
That's a good way to make things clear. Especially to management. Here is a challenge. We are in the process of enrolling new machines into production. Part of that is that they want to force us to install a general monitoring tool (nagios and local scripting). We noticed quite a dramatic

Re: How to convince others. Was: Re: mono keep guest active - ban the blips.

2010-08-19 Thread David Kreuter
Are Nagios and local scripts waking up needlessly? or are they doing legitimate work even if it is wasteful? David Kreuter Original Message Subject: How to convince others. Was: Re: mono keep guest active - ban the blips. From: Berry van Sleeuwen berry.vansleeu...@xs4all.nl

Re: How to convince others. Was: Re: mono keep guest active - ban the blips.

2010-08-19 Thread Rich Smrcina
A 'general monitoring tool' is not a performance monitor. In an environment where efficient resource utilization is critical to the business, a means to monitor: - the performance of the virtual machine environment - the virtual machines running in that environment - potentially systems

Re: How to convince others. Was: Re: mono keep guest active - ban the blips.

2010-08-19 Thread Berry van Sleeuwen
Nagios is in use at the server side. Each client (our servers) has the nagios client, with scipting instead of the nagios plugins, and sec. Sec is in use for monitoring the /var/log/messages, it makes the server go into Q3 and stay there and has quite some CPU load as well. Usefull, I don't know,

Re: How to convince others. Was: Re: mono keep guest active - ban the blips.

2010-08-19 Thread Berry van Sleeuwen
True, it isn't. It's the replacement of an operator. The main issue here is that it needs to raise tickets and get reporting stats. For instance, raise a ticket at 100% CPU (and indeed, our ABS limithard machines do raise tickets when they are running their batch..sigh.) or when a filesystem is at

Re: How to convince others. Was: Re: mono keep guest active - ban the blips.

2010-08-19 Thread Rich Smrcina
If your batch runs regularly or consistently drive some virtual machines to 100% this may not signal a loop condition (which, I would guess, is why the ticket is being raised). Techs may grow conditioned to this and either take longer to respond or just outright 'ignore' the tickets

Re: How to convince others. Was: Re: mono keep guest active - ban the blips.

2010-08-19 Thread Rogério Soares
Berry, to monitor some stats of lpar using nagios, we set up a machine with high class level, and make some scripts to use vmcp module to query and filter informations... i have sure that is not the best way, but, some times we need improvise :-) On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 7:51 PM, Berry van

Re: How to convince others. Was: Re: mono keep guest active - ban the blips.

2010-08-19 Thread Marcy Cortes
It'd be even cooler if your monitor could learn a virtual machines normal or expected activity pattern by time of day / day of week and the signal things out of the ordinary. Like the batch activity that was supposed to have been running but took an unexpected low address protection exception