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On Wednesday 18 February 2004 18:45, Terrence W. Zellers wrote:
> http://linuxtoday.com/developer/2004021801026OSDV
Hmph. When there's a source RPM for NetREXX and we can compile it for
Linux/390, then tell me about it.
Perl was SO avoidable
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On Wed, 2004-02-18 at 22:13, David Boyes wrote:
> On Wednesday 18 February 2004 18:45, Terrence W. Zellers wrote:
> > http://linuxtoday.com/developer/2004021801026OSDV
>
> Hmph. When there's a source RPM for NetREXX and we can compile it for
> Linux/390, then tell me about it.
>
> Perl was SO avo
On Wed, 18 Feb 2004, David Boyes wrote:
> Perl was SO avoidable
Confession: I don't like Perl,
though I do like a lot of things about it.
So I cornered Mike Cowlishaw at SHARE some years back (93?)
and asked his opinion of it. To my shock, he was very positive.
He likens the Perl community
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On Wed, 18 Feb 2004, David Boyes wrote:
> Perl was SO avoidable
Confession: I don't like Perl,
though I do like a lot of things about it.
So I cornered Mike Cowlishaw at S
On Thu, 2004-02-19 at 12:36, Richard Troth wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Feb 2004, David Boyes wrote:
> > Perl was SO avoidable
>
> Confession: I don't like Perl,
> though I do like a lot of things about it.
> So I cornered Mike Cowlishaw at SHARE some years back (93?)
> and asked his opinion of it.
> If there is one language I love unequivocally, it is Perl.
> I like the TIMTOWTDI (tim tow tidi).
> I have applied it to solve the most difficult problems easily.
I don't deny Perl is useful. Larry Wall is considered to be a genius for a
number of reasons -- inventing a superior scripting langua
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> If there is one language I love unequivocally, it is Perl.
> I like the TIMTOWTDI (tim tow tidi).
> I have applied it to solve the most difficult prob
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>Being an ol' mainframe guy of 35+ years who has looked at a lot of
>languages, I say REXX in conjunction with PIPELINES is unbeatable in terms
>of writing speed and conciseness. You can get a lot of function in a few
>lines of code.
I'm not sure that is a what we really need - for example I sus
On Thu, 2004-02-19 at 13:41, Michael Short wrote:
> Being an ol' mainframe guy of 35+ years who has looked at a lot of
> languages, I say REXX in conjunction with PIPELINES is unbeatable in terms
> of writing speed and conciseness. You can get a lot of function in a few
> lines of code.
I'm not a
quick tutorial anywhere?
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>Being an ol'
On Thu, 2004-02-19 at 14:41, Michael Short wrote:
> Being an ol' mainframe guy of 35+ years who has looked at a lot of
> languages, I say REXX in conjunction with PIPELINES is unbeatable in terms
> of writing speed and conciseness. You can get a lot of function in a few
> lines of code.
I
On Thu, 2004-02-19 at 14:17, David Boyes wrote:
> I don't deny Perl is useful. Larry Wall is considered to be a genius for a
> number of reasons -- inventing a superior scripting language to csh or
> Bourne scripts is (IMHO) the least of his achievements.
>
> I *do* claim that Perl is unnecessaril
On Thu, 2004-02-19 at 14:30, Ranga Nathan wrote:
> Perl sure has some quirky syntax as some of it is derived from C.
> Scheme is awesome but cryptic. Scheme is even more powerful than Perl, but
> you have to rise above the mortals, you have to be a geek.
Scheme sounds good. I've never used "func
from history too much.
Sorry, I am strongly opinionated.
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Adam Thornton wrote:
But Rexx cannot do one thing that I find absolutely indispensable.
Hashes and stems are pretty much the same thing.
But in Perl, I can say
foreach(keys(%hash)) {
# $_ now holds the hash key...
do something
}
Exactly. And instead you end up having to buil
People who use REXX in conjunction with CMS Pipelines
forget about these weaknesses in REXX itself.
But that leads to a whole nutha story.
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Just one featurethose who have tinkered with regex (it is even called
Perl5 style regular expressions) would know what can be accomplished in
Perl. So much so I used it to create a tool to convert any text to XML.
Perl allows you to mix OO and non-OO, unlike Java. If you wan
On Thu, 2004-02-19 at 16:24, Richard Troth wrote:
> People who use REXX in conjunction with CMS Pipelines
> forget about these weaknesses in REXX itself.
> But that leads to a whole nutha story.
Hey Rick, how do you use CMS Pipelines to extract a list of keys from a
stem?
Adam
[grumble] Putting me on the spot, are ya??
> Hey Rick, how do you use CMS Pipelines to extract a list of keys from a
> stem?
You know full well that this is not the forum to ask this,
and I am not the *person* to ask, but since you did:
/* set some stem vars */
mystem.adam =
On Thu, 2004-02-19 at 16:43, Richard Troth wrote:
> /* or if you just want the keys for a specific stem */
> 'PIPE REXXVARS | DROP FIRST' ,
> '| CHANGE 1.2 /v / /=/ | JOIN 1' ,
> '| CHANGE 1.2 /n / // | LOCATE 1.7 /MYSTEM./' ,
> '| SPEC WS . W 2 1
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My background's in C and perl too. And now
On Thu, 2004-02-19 at 15:44, Alex deVries wrote:
> But... let's say I have a stem variable with multiple tails; the only
> way to pass it to a procedure or have the procedure return such a
> structure is to make it a global. This is scary if you were brought up
> to believe that globals evil.
Been
> Hashes and stems are pretty much the same thing.
>
> But in Perl, I can say
>
> foreach(keys(%hash)) {
> # $_ now holds the hash key...
> do something
> }
It's been a long time since I was on the mainframe, but isn't there a
CSL call which lets you step through the children
On Thu, 2004-02-19 at 18:12, Adam Thornton wrote:
> On Thu, 2004-02-19 at 16:43, Richard Troth wrote:
> > /* or if you just want the keys for a specific stem */
> > 'PIPE REXXVARS | DROP FIRST' ,
> > '| CHANGE 1.2 /v / /=/ | JOIN 1' ,
> > '| CHANGE 1.2 /n / /
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Ranga Nathan wrote:
> Just one featurethose who have tinkered with regex (it is even
called
> Perl5 style regular expressions) would know what can be accompli
> > PHP and Python are somewhat better,...
>
> PHP? Joking right? PHP's OO implementation is GROTESQUE.
As a multiply wounded veteran of the LOOPS project back in the Dawn of Time
and having written WAY too much Smalltalk, I generally find that OO
programming is usually oversold and is a cheap w
On Thu, 2004-02-19 at 23:20, David Boyes wrote:
> > > PHP and Python are somewhat better,...
> >
> > PHP? Joking right? PHP's OO implementation is GROTESQUE.
>
> As a multiply wounded veteran of the LOOPS project back in the Dawn of Time
> and having written WAY too much Smalltalk, I generally f
On Thu, 2004-02-19 at 22:20, David Boyes wrote:
> Unfortunately, the mainstream community passed REXX by years ago. Done is
> done -- nothing we can do about that now.
Although Rexx does, weirdly, correlate quite well with operating systems
that their devotees absolutely refuse to give up: it's be
Alex deVries <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> > I also want to investigate REXX. Any quick tutorial anywhere?
> I have a semi-autographed copy of Phil Smith and Gabe Goldberg's REXX
> book (but not in front of me, so I can't get you the ISBN), which is a
> great read-it-on-the-plane book. It has a lo
On Fri, 2004-02-20 at 00:39, Adam Thornton wrote:
> Although Rexx does, weirdly, correlate quite well with operating systems
> that their devotees absolutely refuse to give up: it's been the system
> scripting language in VM, OS/2, and AmigaOS.
A very strange thought, Adam. And right Y
Gabe Goldberg wrote:
Semi-autographed? First names only?
He probably wrote the names in himself :-)
Some time ago I went out on Amazon to get the VM/ESA Applications and
Systems books (from the same Ranade series as the Rexx Handbook). But I
discovered the out-of-print books are far less easy a
Ranga Nathan wrote:
3. syntax checking
Let's say I write:
myname='Alex'
say mynaem /* note the typo */
Running this program would return 'mynaem', not a warning like "variable
mynaem not declared"
It's called 'signal on novalue' which you want to enable for serious
programming.
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On 2/19/2004 2:25 PM Adam Thornton wrote:
There's no way in Rexx to get a list of all the key
names in the key/value pairs that make up a stem. I find that a huge
problem in terms of conceptualizing problems the intuitive way for me.
I've resorted to using a second compound variable to keep track
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On 2/19/2004 2:25 PM Adam Thornton wrote:
> There's no way in Rexx to get a list of all the key
> names in the key/value pairs that make up a stem. I find that a huge
> problem in terms of conceptualizing problems the intuiti
> I thought IBM made Object Rexx available for L390 some time ago. It
> allows classical Rexx programming and has OO capabilities which, for
> example, let you do something over all the members of a set (it has
> several collection classes).
Mike:
Yes, ObjectREXX is available for Linux at no-char
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> Some time ago I went out on Amazon to get the VM/ESA Applications and
> Systems books (from the same Ranade series as the Rexx Handbook). But I
> discovered the out-of-print books are far less easy avail
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> On Wednesday 18 February 2004 18:45, Terrence W. Zellers wrote:
> > http://linuxtoday.com/developer/2004021801026OSDV
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> Hmph. When there's a source RPM for NetREXX and we can c
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