From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Douglas Wooster
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 1:32 PM
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Subject: Re: Distribution ages, was: Linux version
I always liked doing my own keypunching -- and I can **still** code
better if I scribble
Evans, Kevin R wrote:
Well, for sure, some things stand out more when you look at the code on
paper. Sometimes, scrolling up and down on a screen tends to obfuscate
the code. This is more so (at least for me) with assembler code (which
I'll admit to not knowing as well as C).
Code? We had hex
On Thursday 21 Aug 2008, John Summerfield wrote:
Evans, Kevin R wrote:
Kinda makes one realize how long z/OS (or its ancestors) has been
around, doesn't it?
MFT?
There was something called PCP that predated MFT but I am happy to say I never
worked on it! :D See:
Robin Atwood wrote:
On Thursday 21 Aug 2008, John Summerfield wrote:
Evans, Kevin R wrote:
Kinda makes one realize how long z/OS (or its ancestors) has been
around, doesn't it?
MFT?
There was something called PCP that predated MFT but I am happy to say I never
worked on it! :D See:
Mark Perry wrote:
Evans, Kevin R wrote:
This is getting like Monty Python g.
One guy says When we were young, we used to eat the leather from our
shoes. The other guy says You had shoes?.
OS/360 - some of you guys make me feel young, thanks ;-)
You must be around 60, either that or your
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Mark Perry wrote:
Evans, Kevin R wrote:
This is getting like Monty Python g.
One guy says When we were young, we used to eat
Didn't you mean that someone else could make punching mistakes for you?
Kevin
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From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
John Summerfield
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 8:39 AM
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I always liked doing my own keypunching -- and I can **still** code
better if I scribble the corrections on a fanfold listing!
(multiprocessing: two 360-30's with 14KB (!) DOS supervisors which
everybody said was too big)
Douglas
Re: [LINUX-390] Distribution ages, was: Linux version
R P Herrold wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ lsb_release -a
LSB Version: \
:core-3.1-ia32:core-3.1-noarch:graphics-3.1-ia32:graphics-3.1-noarch
Distributor ID: CentOS
Description:CentOS release 5.2 (Final)
Release:5.2
Codename: Final
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$
ihlscoh2:~
, was: Linux version
1:
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.development/msg/a32d4e2ef3b
cdcc6
2: http://www.knoppix.net
3: http://www.skolelinux.org
4: http://www.ubuntu.com/
Now if anyone has some dates of when they were started for Slackware,
SuSE, or RedHat we can know
which
Evans, Kevin R wrote:
Kinda makes one realize how long z/OS (or its ancestors) has been
around, doesn't it?
K
And those of us who have worked on it too ;-)
mark
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Very true. I was feeling fine until you made me feel old this morning
g.
K
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Mark Perry
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Of
Evans, Kevin R
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 7:41 AM
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Very true. I was feeling fine until you made me feel old this morning
g.
K
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Evans, Kevin R wrote:
Kinda makes one realize how long z/OS (or its ancestors) has been
around, doesn't it?
MFT?
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Yeppers.
K
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Evans, Kevin R wrote:
Kinda makes one realize how long z
: Distribution ages, was: Linux version
Evans, Kevin R wrote:
Kinda makes one realize how long z/OS (or its ancestors) has been
around, doesn't it?
MFT?
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Subject: Re: Distribution ages, was: Linux version
OS/VS1?
Lea Stahr
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Nah, MFT and I don't even remember what release CICS
, Lea
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MFT, MVT, then VS1.I was DOS/VS. Installed CICS 1.0 macro level to
replace BTAM stuff like 40407F7F2DOLDER THAN THE HILLS. My new
360/30 had a DISK drive (no more TOS
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Evans, Kevin R
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 12:34 PM
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Mine was 360/50 and a 360/30. When the 30 was replaced with a 2nd 50
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From: Linux on 390 Port On Behalf Of Evans, Kevin R
Mine was 360/50 and a 360/30. When the 30 was replaced with a
2nd 50, we ran the 30 for about a month outside of the
computer room (with no air conditioning other than opening
the windows) with IBMs blessing.
:38 PM
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We had a check 13 pocket sorter that was connected to a printer that
printed tapes. When the pocket filled, you pulled the tape and banded it
to the checks. (1968) Our primary system was a card only 1401G.
Lea
I'd like to sit in a tower and tell some people where to go g today.
K
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Chase, John
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 1:40 PM
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On 8/20/2008 at 12:26 PM, in message
[EMAIL PROTECTED], Alan Cox
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I'd question that on all sorts of grounds. For one I'm very sure Debian
is much much newer than Slackware. Slackware is *old* - really old.
You're right, although depending on how you measure age
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Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 12:46 PM
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OS/VS1?
VS1=MFT+VS
I should have mentioned PCP.
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Subject: Re: Distribution ages, was: Linux version
MFT, MVT, then VS1.I was DOS/VS. Installed CICS 1.0 macro level to
replace BTAM stuff like 40407F7F2DOLDER THAN THE HILLS. My new
360/30 had a DISK drive (no more TOS). DFHPCT, DFHPPT, DFHFCT, DFHTCT
etc in CICS.
We had a very buggy
Evans, Kevin R wrote:
This is getting like Monty Python g.
One guy says When we were young, we used to eat the leather from our
shoes. The other guy says You had shoes?.
OS/360 - some of you guys make me feel young, thanks ;-)
You must be around 60, either that or your systems were old at
Gregg Levine wrote:
Hello!
Well for my Slackware Intel system, I have listed in there, Slackware
11.0, the command was:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/# cat /etc/slackware-version
Slackware 11.0
John is right. Of all of the distributions I've worked with, Slackware
does do things differently.
No.
The
John Summerfield wrote:
Gregg Levine wrote:
Hello!
Well for my Slackware Intel system, I have listed in there, Slackware
11.0, the command was:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/# cat /etc/slackware-version
Slackware 11.0
John is right. Of all of the distributions I've worked with, Slackware
does do
Mark Perry wrote:
John Summerfield wrote:
Gregg Levine wrote:
Hello!
Well for my Slackware Intel system, I have listed in there, Slackware
11.0, the command was:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/# cat /etc/slackware-version
Slackware 11.0
John is right. Of all of the distributions I've worked with,
On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 14:44:23 +0800
John Summerfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gregg Levine wrote:
Hello!
Well for my Slackware Intel system, I have listed in there, Slackware
11.0, the command was:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/# cat /etc/slackware-version
Slackware 11.0
John is right. Of all
Alan Cox wrote:
On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 14:44:23 +0800
John Summerfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gregg Levine wrote:
Hello!
Well for my Slackware Intel system, I have listed in there, Slackware
11.0, the command was:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/# cat /etc/slackware-version
Slackware 11.0
John is right.
If A is different to B then B is different to A !
Mathematically, yes. However, slackware has been doing things its way
longer than those who chose to do those differently.
Most other Linuxes use the rc.d style of init for example whose basis is
SYS5 Unix which predates Linux entirely 8)
Unfortunately, as has been mentioned, there's no way to know with any
certainty just how to identify what distribution you're on. Just where would
uname get the information, when we can't agree on where to find it by hand?
It's certainly not the kernel's job to know what distribution it came
On 8/20/2008 at 2:44 AM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED],
John Summerfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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I may be wrong, but I think Slackware
predates the other current distros. See http://lwn.net/Distributions/
Slackware is the oldest surviving _commercial_ Linux distribution. Debian is
On 8/20/2008 at 3:01 AM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mark
Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
-snip-
Then customers could ... have a
consistent method of obtaining distributor information.
That would be something for the Linux Standard Base folks. They've decreed
some really silly things in
On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 10:05:50 -0600
Mark Post [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 8/20/2008 at 2:44 AM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED],
John Summerfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
-snip-
I may be wrong, but I think Slackware
predates the other current distros. See http://lwn.net/Distributions/
I don't know when any of the other distributions started but Debian is having a
15th birthday party
in many locations this month.
Debian turns 15
On 16 August 1993 Ian Murdock [1]announced a new Linux distribution
named Debian. 15 years later the project started by him is the
biggest Linux
1:
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.development/msg/a32d4e2ef3bcdcc6
2: http://www.knoppix.net
3: http://www.skolelinux.org
4: http://www.ubuntu.com/
Now if anyone has some dates of when they were started for Slackware, SuSE,
or RedHat we can know
which is the
Alan Cox wrote:
1:
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.development/msg/a32d4e2ef3bcdcc6
2: http://www.knoppix.net
3: http://www.skolelinux.org
4: http://www.ubuntu.com/
Now if anyone has some dates of when they were started for Slackware, SuSE, or
RedHat we can know
On Wed, 20 Aug 2008, RPN01 wrote:
Unfortunately, as has been mentioned, there's no way to know with any
certainty just how to identify what distribution you're on. Just where would
uname get the information, when we can't agree on where to find it by hand?
snip
So in summary, there
Red Hat trundles along in 1994.
Check out http://futurist.se/gldt/
I've seen it - its inaccurate in many places and missing key
distributions that form the links - eg BOGUS.
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R P Herrold wrote:
On Wed, 20 Aug 2008, RPN01 wrote:
Unfortunately, as has been mentioned, there's no way to know with any
certainty just how to identify what distribution you're on. Just where
would
uname get the information, when we can't agree on where to find it by
hand?
snip
Alan Cox wrote:
Red Hat trundles along in 1994.
Check out http://futurist.se/gldt/
I've seen it - its inaccurate in many places and missing key
distributions that form the links - eg BOGUS.
One distro I've not seen mentioned yet is Brutal. I't's not _that_ old,
but on seeing its
On 8/20/2008 at 6:11 PM, in message
[EMAIL PROTECTED], Alan Cox
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
-snip-
I've seen it - its inaccurate in many places and missing key
distributions that form the links - eg BOGUS.
The June 21, 2007 version lists BOGUS. When was the last time you looked?
Perhaps
There is a command that will id the version of Linux. I tried uname -a
and it did not tell me the distribution.
Lea Stahr
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On 8/19/2008 at 1:14 PM, in message
[EMAIL PROTECTED], Stahr,
Lea [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There is a command that will id the version of Linux. I tried uname -a
and it did not tell me the distribution.
The file name varies by distribution (bad idea, that), so:
cat /etc/*release
Mark Post
On SuSE there is the file /etc/SuSE-release
that gives the information.
Aria.
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:14:02 -0500 Stahr, Lea said:
There is a command that will id the version of Linux. I tried uname -a
and it did not tell me the distribution.
Lea Stahr
zVM, Linux and zLinux Administrator
On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 11:16 -0600, Mark Post wrote:
On 8/19/2008 at 1:14 PM, in message
[EMAIL PROTECTED], Stahr,
Lea [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There is a command that will id the version of Linux. I tried uname -a
and it did not tell me the distribution.
The file name varies by
Mark Post wrote:
On 8/19/2008 at 1:14 PM, in message
[EMAIL PROTECTED], Stahr,
Lea [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There is a command that will id the version of Linux. I tried uname -a
and it did not tell me the distribution.
The file name varies by distribution (bad idea, that), so:
cat
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 8:13 PM, John Summerfield
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mark Post wrote:
On 8/19/2008 at 1:14 PM, in message
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Stahr,
Lea [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There is a command that will id the version of Linux. I tried uname -a
and it did not tell me the
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