Re: [linux-audio-dev] Very Urgent

2001-09-17 Thread Maarten de Boer
[...] I got your reference from the Nigeria Exports Promotion Council (NEPC) [...] Okay guys, confess: who gave the mailinglist address to the NEPC?

[linux-audio-dev] copying commerical features

2001-09-17 Thread Racz, Mate
yo! % What's CCA? cca. = circa % Please don't waste your time re-implementing existing technology. i didn't intend to just copy the programs. i think their features are great, but the user interfaces are big craps, so they need to be redesigned. % Why don't you add some new

[linux-audio-dev] Re: saving plugin settings

2001-09-17 Thread Steve Harris
On Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 10:06:43AM -0400, Taybin Rutkin wrote: The format of the save file is attached. It's the savefile for the Freeverb plugin. It uses XML. It doesn't support saving chains or networks or lambda-calculus style plugins. I think that would be better handled at a different

[linux-audio-dev] Re: wave display

2001-09-17 Thread Racz, Mate
% The waveform display is the most challenging one % I think that a widget shouldn't create peakfiles. They should be provided to it i thought about this some days ago. i hate peakfiles and i delete them all the time, but in the programmer's eyeview, you just need them. -- Racz, Mate linux +

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Audio-related widgets with Qt ?

2001-09-17 Thread Tommi Ilmonen
On Fri, 14 Sep 2001, Paul Davis wrote: The waveform display is the most challenging one, it probably needs two parts: A) A threaded engine that calculates the preview files and B) A waveform renderer that could be used upon any widget. its potentially a lot more complex than that. i

STL / Qt flame-war (Re: [linux-audio-dev] Audio-related widgets withQt ?)

2001-09-17 Thread Tommi Ilmonen
Hi. The title is (and hopefully remains) a joke. On Fri, 14 Sep 2001, Paul Davis wrote: I just want to mention one reason why I don't like using Qt myself, not as flamebait but just to make it clear. Qt was written before the Standard Template Library (STL) was reasonably standardized. As

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Audio-related widgets with Qt ?

2001-09-17 Thread Tommi Ilmonen
On Fri, 14 Sep 2001, Phil Kerr wrote: Hi Tommi, hi List. This is an area I've been thinking about over the last few weeks but not having anything to contribute yet I kept quiet. I agree with the list you provided on what is needed. Some other suggestions for widgets: Piano roll / 1

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Audio-related widgets with Qt ?

2001-09-17 Thread Paul Davis
I know that waveforms are difficult. That is why have not tried them at all :-) What I had in mind is probably similar to what you described. In more detail: A) An object that calculates the previews in a background thread (and serializes the requests). This thing would not have to bew very

Re: STL / Qt flame-war (Re: [linux-audio-dev] Audio-related widgets with Qt ?)

2001-09-17 Thread Jelle
On Mon, Sep 17, 2001 at 02:22:46PM +0300, Tommi Ilmonen wrote: I just want to mention one reason why I don't like using Qt myself, not as flamebait but just to make it clear. Qt was written before the Standard Template Library (STL) was reasonably standardized. As a result, it contains

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Audio-related widgets with Qt ?

2001-09-17 Thread Werner
some interesting widgets can be found in the qwt widget set from Josef Wilgen. Have a look at: http://qwt.sourceforge.net/screenshots.html#screenshots --- Werner

Re: STL / Qt flame-war (Re: [linux-audio-dev] Audio-related widgetswith Qt ?)

2001-09-17 Thread Tommi Ilmonen
Hi. On Mon, 17 Sep 2001, Jelle wrote: However, lists are linked lists, not arrays, and thus can only forward and backford access items, but not random access. If you want that you have to use a vector. for(listX::iterator i = mylist.begin(); i!=mylist.end(); i++) mylist.erase(i) I know.

Re: STL / Qt flame-war (Re: [linux-audio-dev] Audio-related widgetswith Qt ?)

2001-09-17 Thread Tommi Ilmonen
I guess it depends on what one is used to. I have always found STL totally painful It really isn't. It's a bit complex at start, probably because of the template use and the iterators. However, both of there are powerfull things and you should understand them both anyway (not that

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Audio-related widgets with Qt ?

2001-09-17 Thread Paul Davis
A quick note: Or is the Canvas so clever that is uses genuine double buffering (bypassing the usual socket transmission) ? XFree86 supports the SHM extension. Ergo, when running on the same machine as the display, there is no socket transmission of data. The Xlib routines draw directly

Re: STL / Qt flame-war (Re: [linux-audio-dev] Audio-related widgets with Qt ?)

2001-09-17 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
STL is much easyer to handle that lowlevel arrays and such, and it can be quite fast as well. Sorry, IMHO STL exemplifies the phrase ``too clever by half.'' It really needed another round of design before being released... as my favorite example of ``things that bit me,'' if you cast a

Re: [linux-audio-dev] saving plugin settings

2001-09-17 Thread Kevin Conder
On Mon, 17 Sep 2001, Steve Harris wrote: On Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 11:42:13AM -0500, Kevin Conder wrote: My experience has been that existing XML parsers blow up when they have to deal with large files (like a 700 page users manual). I'm worried about what would happen if they had to

RE: [linux-audio-dev] saving plugin settings

2001-09-17 Thread Kevin Conder
On Sun, 16 Sep 2001, STEFFL, ERIK *Internet* (SBCSI) wrote: the same concerns are for other types of config files, and at least if you use XML you have various standard tools that are better tested than special purpose parser IMHO XML parsers are no better tested than say, Apache's

RE: [linux-audio-dev] saving plugin settings (fwd)

2001-09-17 Thread Kevin Conder
If you don't believe me, mark up _War and Piece_ with XML. Ooops, I know it's _War and Peace_... -- kevin at kevindumpscore dot com

RE: STL / Qt flame-war (Re: [linux-audio-dev] Audio-related widgets with Qt ?)

2001-09-17 Thread STEFFL, ERIK *Internet* (SBCSI)
regarding protability: stl is fairly new and not properly supported everywhere but it's getting better. erik -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 9/17/01 8:30 AM Subject: Re: STL / Qt flame-war (Re: [linux-audio-dev] Audio-related widgets

RE: STL / Qt flame-war (Re: [linux-audio-dev] Audio-related widgets with Qt ?)

2001-09-17 Thread STEFFL, ERIK *Internet* (SBCSI)
but stl is not 'each new library'. stl is part of c++ standard. erik -Original Message- From: Tommi Ilmonen To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 9/17/01 8:05 AM Subject: Re: STL / Qt flame-war (Re: [linux-audio-dev] Audio-related widgets with Qt ?) I guess it depends on what one

Re: [linux-audio-dev] saving plugin settings

2001-09-17 Thread Steve Harris
On Mon, Sep 17, 2001 at 10:29:59AM -0500, Kevin Conder wrote: I regularly throw around 5000-1 node ontologies (a few meg) without any problems. Amazing! What's your secret? Which XML parser are you using? (Is it a context-less, non-validating, SAX-type parser? Must be.) Are

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: wave display

2001-09-17 Thread René Rebe
Hi all. On Mon, 17 Sep 2001 10:35:12 +0200 Racz, Mate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: % The waveform display is the most challenging one % I think that a widget shouldn't create peakfiles. They should be provided to it i thought about this some days ago. i hate peakfiles and i delete them all

[linux-audio-dev] indirectly important

2001-09-17 Thread D. Stimits
Please don't add too much about this on the mailing list here, but do consider taking a look. It's about legal changes that could be used to stomp on Linux development in the U.S.. It'd be better for people to know about it before it is written in stone:

Re: STL / Qt flame-war (Re: [linux-audio-dev] Audio-related widgets with Qt ?)

2001-09-17 Thread Thomas Hedler
OK. Let's bring the discussion to some more objective points: What do we want from our toolkit: 1) Ease of use to program (there are some musicians under us, too, aren't they?) 2) Fast graphic engine 3) Maybe compatibility to other platforms (complete with graphic engine, not only the

Re: STL / Qt flame-war (Re: [linux-audio-dev] Audio-related widgetswith Qt ?)

2001-09-17 Thread Samuel S Chessman
On Mon, 17 Sep 2001, Tommi Ilmonen wrote: ... Can you recommend an online-version of this information? Just names of the classes and their member functions and types in readable format. It would be very much appreciated (since at least SGI's on-line docs are lengthy, but difficult to

Re: [linux-audio-dev] saving plugin settings

2001-09-17 Thread Taybin Rutkin
On Sun, 16 Sep 2001, Kevin Conder wrote: What happens if the bottom of a large config file gets chopped off? Will existing XML parsers still parse an invalid XML file? What if someone manually edits a file and makes it invalid? Well what happens to any parser with invalid input? Don't

Re: [linux-audio-dev] saving plugin settings

2001-09-17 Thread Taybin Rutkin
On Mon, 17 Sep 2001, Paul Winkler wrote: The wasted space of port-number is trivial, it's the redundancy that bugs me. This is a nitpick. I see what you mean. And I absolutely agree. How about id and value. There. Decided. It looks good. Paul Davis is right that we should identify the I

Re: STL / Qt flame-war (Re: [linux-audio-dev] Audio-related widgets with Qt ?)

2001-09-17 Thread Paul Davis
Let's bring the discussion to some more objective points: What do we want from our toolkit: 1) Ease of use to program (there are some musicians under us, too, aren't they?) 2) Fast graphic engine 3) Maybe compatibility to other platforms (complete with graphic engine, not only the