Leonard \ wrote:
> the out-of-the-box ogg vorbis lib e.g. chooses the amount of samples it
> dispenses based on the number of frames it had decoded. if you want to read
> blockwise, that is: based on a blocksize that _you_ want, you have to chop up
> and merge the blocks that the lib gives you.
Esben Stien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I like the name, vorbis
Though, I more like recursive acronyms;)
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On Sat, 2005-07-23 at 14:11 -0400, Paul Davis wrote:
> > > > are you sure winamp plays ogg after a regular, default install? or does
> > > > it need an additional codec pack, that a typical user would have no clue
> > > > about unless they understand what ogg/vorbis is and how it relates to
> > > >
"Leonard \"paniq\" Ritter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> i'd rather want to use something else instead.
FLAC?
> you cant hype a name that does not sound good.
I like the name, vorbis, but I only use flac inside matroska containers.
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> > > are you sure winamp plays ogg after a regular, default install? or does
> > > it need an additional codec pack, that a typical user would have no clue
> > > about unless they understand what ogg/vorbis is and how it relates to
> > > mp3?
> >
> > I'm absolutely sure that all you need to do is
On Sat, 2005-07-23 at 16:31 +0100, Michael T D Nelson wrote:
> Paul Davis wrote:
> > are you sure winamp plays ogg after a regular, default install? or does
> > it need an additional codec pack, that a typical user would have no clue
> > about unless they understand what ogg/vorbis is and how it re
On Saturday 23 July 2005 17:13, Paul Davis wrote:
> there are lots of reasons to. first of all: what is the source of
> material in OV format? does any major legal or illegal download system
> provide OV format for any sizeable chunk of popular music? second, every
> supported format implies more w
Hi again
Sorry, I had another relevant thought.
I have always found playing oggs in Windows to be completely
hassle-free, possibly because I've always used Winamp, and kept it up to
date semi-regularly. By the time I first came across an ogg file, Winamp
supported it "out of the box".
In co
Paul Davis wrote:
are you sure winamp plays ogg after a regular, default install? or does
it need an additional codec pack, that a typical user would have no clue
about unless they understand what ogg/vorbis is and how it relates to
mp3?
I'm absolutely sure that all you need to do is to install
On Saturday 23 July 2005 16:44, Paul Davis wrote:
> that suprises me. i know people on this list who cannot get windows to
> play ogg, and i work for very knowledgeable guy who faces the same
> problem.
i doubt his knowledgeability.
> are you sure winamp plays ogg after a regular, default install
On Saturday 23 July 2005 14:05, Paul Davis wrote:
> > if fraunhofer restricts the widespread use of its codec, mp3 will die.
> > ogg vorbis is the better alternative, and the only reason why it hasnt
> > defeated mp3 is the awkward name.
>
> are you blind?
no, but please dont refrain from insulti
On Sat, 2005-07-23 at 14:44 +0100, Michael T D Nelson wrote:
> Paul Davis wrote:
> > the only reason it hasn't defeated mp3 is that the
> > overwhelming majority of all compressed music format music players do
> > not support it. do you have any idea how hard it is for a windows user
> > to play ev
On Saturday 23 July 2005 14:59, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote:
> > realtime streaming means that it should be possible to stream audio in
> > very small chunks of data e.g. 64 samples per frame.
>
> Que? That sounds like a function of the file format not the
> API. With libsndfile you can read a single
On Saturday 23 July 2005 14:20, Lars Luthman wrote:
> On Sat, 2005-07-23 at 13:39 +0200, Leonard "paniq" Ritter wrote:
> > if fraunhofer restricts the widespread use of its codec, mp3 will die.
> > ogg vorbis is the better alternative, and the only reason why it hasnt
> > defeated mp3 is the awkwar
Paul Davis wrote:
the only reason it hasn't defeated mp3 is that the
overwhelming majority of all compressed music format music players do
not support it. do you have any idea how hard it is for a windows user
to play even an ogg file?
I only respond because I feel that this may mislead any pas
On Sat, Jul 23, 2005 at 08:05:18AM -0400, Paul Davis wrote:
> > if fraunhofer restricts the widespread use of its codec, mp3 will die. ogg
> > vorbis is the better alternative, and the only reason why it hasnt defeated
> > mp3 is the awkward name.
>
> are you blind? the only reason it hasn't def
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Saturday 23 July 2005 00:29, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote:
> > then libsndfile does all of the above except 1) and 2) and possibly
> > 5). What exactly do you mean by "realtime streaming".
>
> if 2) is missing that wouldnt hurt. i dont like mp3 anyway.
>
> realtime str
On Sat, 2005-07-23 at 13:39 +0200, Leonard "paniq" Ritter wrote:
> if fraunhofer restricts the widespread use of its codec, mp3 will die. ogg
> vorbis is the better alternative, and the only reason why it hasnt defeated
> mp3 is the awkward name.
I disagree. Which sounds most awkward, "Vorbis" o
Erik de Castro Lopo wrote:
Couldn't the companies
making money off Linux get together and buy like
a general Linux MP3 codec license?
Yes, they could but why would they?
To make their customers happy? E.g., anyone who wants to use Linux but
still owns a hardware mp3 player which doesn't supp
On Sat, Jul 23, 2005 at 08:29:30AM +1000, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote:
>
> If you are willing to go for a pre-release:
>
> http://www.mega-nerd.com/tmp/libsndfile-1.0.12pre10.tar.gz
> ...
> Ogg Vorbis (as well as Ogg Speex) is being worked on and is pretty
> close to working (Conrad).
Hi,
> if fraunhofer restricts the widespread use of its codec, mp3 will die. ogg
> vorbis is the better alternative, and the only reason why it hasnt defeated
> mp3 is the awkward name.
are you blind? the only reason it hasn't defeated mp3 is that the
overwhelming majority of all compressed music fo
On Saturday 23 July 2005 11:45, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote:
> > Couldn't the companies
> > making money off Linux get together and buy like
> > a general Linux MP3 codec license?
>
> Yes, they could but why would they?
actually anything that refuses to reproduce, which includes memes, software,
co
On Saturday 23 July 2005 00:29, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote:
> then libsndfile does all of the above except 1) and 2) and possibly
> 5). What exactly do you mean by "realtime streaming".
if 2) is missing that wouldnt hurt. i dont like mp3 anyway.
realtime streaming means that it should be possible
Oliver Frommel wrote:
> How much is a license anyway?
Way too much for a Free Software developer like me. And how would
I recover the costs?
> Couldn't the companies
> making money off Linux get together and buy like
> a general Linux MP3 codec license?
Yes, they could but why would they?
Erik
Lars Luthman wrote:
> Couldn't someone in a country without software patents code an MP3 write
> module that could be distributed as a patch
That would never work; the libsndfile internals change often
enough to make this impossible.
> or separate version of libsndfile?
Sure, anyone who wants t
> >
> > Mp3 is problematic because of the MP3 patent issue. I haven't
> > investigated it fully, but I may be able to offer MP3 as a format
> > that can be read but not written.
>
> Couldn't someone in a country without software patents code an MP3 write
> module that could be distributed as a pa
On Sat, 2005-07-23 at 08:29 +1000, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > Audio Codec Host
> >
> >1. Should support reading/writing Ogg Vorbis
> >2. Should support reading/writing Mp3
> >3. Should support reading/writing FLAC
> >4. Should support reading/wri
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