Mess with additional gcc

2005-05-26 Thread Boris Gorelik
Hello, list. Can anybody help me with this issue? I need to install gcc3.2.2 on my Mandriva 2005, whithout removing the existing gcc3.4 . So I do [builddir]$ sorcedir/configure --prefix=/opt/gcc322 --program-suffix-3.2.2 [builddir]$ make [builddir]$ sudo make install Everything works

Re: Mess with additional gcc

2005-05-26 Thread Yedidyah Bar-David
On Thu, May 26, 2005 at 12:02:38PM +0300, Boris Gorelik wrote: Hello, list. Can anybody help me with this issue? I need to install gcc3.2.2 on my Mandriva 2005, whithout removing the existing gcc3.4 . So I do [builddir]$ sorcedir/configure --prefix=/opt/gcc322 --program-suffix-3.2.2 No

Re: Mess with additional gcc

2005-05-26 Thread Boris Gorelik
On Thu May 26 2005 12:29, Yedidyah Bar-David wrote: Removing /opt/gcc322 from where? From PATH or from LD_LIBRARY_PATH? removing as in rm -fr (or mv gcc322 /tmp/gcc322.backup) Generally, I do not think it's recommended to run programs with shared libs that are compiled with different

Re: Mess with additional gcc

2005-05-26 Thread Yedidyah Bar-David
On Thu, May 26, 2005 at 01:55:50PM +0300, Boris Gorelik wrote: On Thu May 26 2005 12:29, Yedidyah Bar-David wrote: Removing /opt/gcc322 from where? From PATH or from LD_LIBRARY_PATH? removing as in rm -fr (or mv gcc322 /tmp/gcc322.backup) OK. You did not state exactly what you did, so

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2005-05-26 Thread Shlomi Fish
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Re: Mess with additional gcc

2005-05-26 Thread Boris Gorelik
On Thu May 26 2005 14:44, Yedidyah Bar-David wrote: You compiled stuff, using shared libs from this new gcc. You somehow made the execs find those libs (e.g. LD_LIBRARY_PATH or -rpath). Then you deleted it, and they can't find the shared libs. Sorry. This is some more info: There is only one

Re: Mess with additional gcc

2005-05-26 Thread Yedidyah Bar-David
On Thu, May 26, 2005 at 03:43:17PM +0300, Boris Gorelik wrote: On Thu May 26 2005 14:44, Yedidyah Bar-David wrote: You compiled stuff, using shared libs from this new gcc. You somehow made the execs find those libs (e.g. LD_LIBRARY_PATH or -rpath). Then you deleted it, and they can't find

Re: Mess with additional gcc

2005-05-26 Thread Boris Gorelik
On Thu May 26 2005 16:42, you wrote: On Thu, May 26, 2005 at 03:43:17PM +0300, Boris Gorelik wrote: Not enough. You have a standard install of mandriva. In addition, you compiled gcc322 with --prefix=pref1. Correct. Up until now, nothing should have changed. Standard binaries continue to

Re: Mess with additional gcc

2005-05-26 Thread guy keren
On Thu, 26 May 2005, Boris Gorelik wrote: I know that this sounds strange and funny, so I'll stress it again: installing gcc322 in completely isolated directory (/opt/gcc322) breaks lots of already existing standrd applications. Removing /opt/gcc322 (rm -fr /opt/gcc322) completely restores

Re: Mess with additional gcc

2005-05-26 Thread Yedidyah Bar-David
On Thu, May 26, 2005 at 07:07:30PM +0300, Boris Gorelik wrote: On Thu May 26 2005 16:42, you wrote: On Thu, May 26, 2005 at 03:43:17PM +0300, Boris Gorelik wrote: Not enough. You have a standard install of mandriva. In addition, you compiled gcc322 with --prefix=pref1. Correct. Up

Sharing Firefox/Thundirbird and OO settings

2005-05-26 Thread Gil Freund
Hi, I an in the process of setting a Linux based Terminal Server which is suppose to coexist with an exiting windows environment. To easy the transition for users we already have Firefox, Thunderbird and OO in the Windows environment. I would like to preserve the setting from applications and

Re: [JOB OFFER] Position: Senior Linux Developer

2005-05-26 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote: On Wed, 25 May 2005, Alexander Indenbaum wrote: On 5/25/05, Alex Rier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Breakthrough Ltd provides Software Development and System Administration Services. For more information see www.breakt.co.il FYI This is *THE WORST* company I

RE: Acting against anti-file-swapping Lawsuits in Israel

2005-05-26 Thread El-al, Netta
just because that's how *you* think things need to be, then you are not too different than the people who block our roads in the morning protesting; nor the even more extreme kinds. i agree. shlomi's actually trying to change something that's wrong with our legal/political system (like the

Re: Acting against anti-file-swapping Lawsuits in Israel

2005-05-26 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Wednesday 25 May 2005 14:45, Imri Zvik wrote: When people start choosing what laws to obey and what not, it is the fastest way to chaos. The only valid laws are the prevention of initiatory force, threat of force, or fraud against one's self or property (not the so-called intellectual

RE: Acting against anti-file-swapping Lawsuits in Israel

2005-05-26 Thread Imri Zvik
Comparing attempts to prevent a genocide with breaking the copyrights law is an insult to whomever been in the holocaust. You cannot dismiss any laws you do not agree with, it just doesn't work this way - YOU should get a reality check (and a shrink or a probation officer, ASAP.). It's not that

RE: Acting against anti-file-swapping Lawsuits in Israel

2005-05-26 Thread Imri Zvik
Shlomi, It's not a matter of if in your ideal imaginary world such thing should be legal, and one person who bought a copy of a book/cd/dvd/software/whatever could redistribute it (with, or without payment) to the whole wide world. In the real world, redistributing copyrighted materiel without

RE: Acting against anti-file-swapping Lawsuits in Israel

2005-05-26 Thread Imri Zvik
When people start choosing what laws to obey and what not, it is the fastest way to chaos. The fact is that you still break the laws of the sovereign, democratic entity you're part of, and that would make you an outlaw, a criminal. And about the economic system - didn't you ever hear about the

Re: Acting against anti-file-swapping Lawsuits in Israel

2005-05-26 Thread Stanislav Malyshev
GSM Yes. Your house of cards is built on the concept that copyrighted GSM material is not intelectual property. In most countries it is. The IP is a very peculiar concept - it's a property for the thing that is not scarce. You have regular property right on, say, your car because cars are scarce

RE: Acting against anti-file-swapping Lawsuits in Israel

2005-05-26 Thread Imri Zvik
At least know your idols. And I quote Open source is a development methodology; free software is a social movement. The FSF is specifically asking people not to mix both terms on their website. I am overwhelmed with your contributes to the public. Your freecell solver is a state-of-the-art,

Re: Acting against anti-file-swapping Lawsuits in Israel

2005-05-26 Thread Stanislav Malyshev
GSM It's taking of something that you don't have permission to. If that GSM is not stealing, what is? I hereby deny you permission to breath the air. You are still breathing. Are you stealing, are you a thief? GSM Note that without copyright laws the GPL would not exist. It would be

Re: Acting against anti-file-swapping Lawsuits in Israel

2005-05-26 Thread Stanislav Malyshev
UB That's the everybody's doing it argument. There's a whole of a lot UB of immoral and illegal stuff you can justify with that. Actually, I have hard time thinking about anything illegal and immoral that a lot of people are doing and even more people see nothing bad in doing even if they don't

Re: [JOB OFFER] Position: Senior Linux Developer

2005-05-26 Thread Geoffrey S. Mendelson
On Thu, May 26, 2005 at 10:55:45PM +0300, Shachar Shemesh wrote: A business owner is a business owner. An employee is an employee. I will not hire anyone but a Linux enthusiastic, because anyone else is not very useful to me. Still, I believe that people I employ should be payed, fairly. I

Re: Acting against anti-file-swapping Lawsuits in Israel

2005-05-26 Thread Uri Bruck
Stanislav Malyshev wrote: UB That's the everybody's doing it argument. There's a whole of a lot UB of immoral and illegal stuff you can justify with that. Actually, I have hard time thinking about anything illegal and immoral that a lot of people are doing and even more people see nothing bad

Re: Acting against anti-file-swapping Lawsuits in Israel

2005-05-26 Thread Stanislav Malyshev
EE Many people are also avoiding taxes or not follow traffic rules. Do EE you think we need to change our laws to fit what is comfortable to EE most people? Actually, what can be the nobler purpose for the law if not making life more comfortable to the most people? ;) EE is chosen by the

Re: Acting against anti-file-swapping Lawsuits in Israel

2005-05-26 Thread Geoffrey S. Mendelson
On Thu, May 26, 2005 at 11:18:57PM +0300, Stanislav Malyshev wrote: Since the whole copyright discussion is over by popular demand, I won't answer that. Actually, I don't see absolute value in GPL existance. With all due respect to RMS, his crusade against commercial software vendors doesn't

RE: Acting against anti-file-swapping Lawsuits in Israel

2005-05-26 Thread Stanislav Malyshev
IZ Domino Effect? Music for example pays salaries of numerous of people, IZ allowing them to be able to buy other products and services, and by that IZ help other people receive a paycheck. Producing and trading copyrighted If music industry ceased to exist, these people without any doubt would

RE: Acting against anti-file-swapping Lawsuits in Israel

2005-05-26 Thread Stanislav Malyshev
IZ You seem to forget that the music industry is only one of the MANY IZ industries who rely on the copyrights laws. All these industries IZ provide work and job places for many other industries and etc. etc. IZ etc. I do not forget this - I just considered it obvious that everything applying to

Re: Acting against anti-file-swapping Lawsuits in Israel

2005-05-26 Thread Stanislav Malyshev
UB There are a lot of people who believe, as I do, that disrespecting IP is UB immoral. So your presentation of it is misleading, and your question is UB better unasked. OK, they do believe so, so what? My point is entirely different - that there are not many things that everybody does it but

Re: Acting against anti-file-swapping Lawsuits in Israel

2005-05-26 Thread Uri Bruck
Stanislav Malyshev wrote: UB There are a lot of people who believe, as I do, that disrespecting IP is UB immoral. So your presentation of it is misleading, and your question is UB better unasked. OK, they do believe so, so what? Your own argument was based on may more people see nothing

kernel patches

2005-05-26 Thread Diego Iastrubni
Hi, I decided that it's time to update my kernel. Since I like working hard, I usually compile my own kernels. What I usually do is use the scripts/patch-kernel command found in linux2.4 (at least...) Now, recently Linus decided to move into a 4 numbers versions, and it seems I am having

Re: kernel patches

2005-05-26 Thread Yedidyah Bar-David
On Fri, May 27, 2005 at 01:43:41AM +0300, Diego Iastrubni wrote: Hi, I decided that it's time to update my kernel. Since I like working hard, I usually compile my own kernels. What I usually do is use the scripts/patch-kernel command found in linux2.4 (at least...) Now, recently Linus

Re: kernel patches

2005-05-26 Thread Diego Iastrubni
, 27 2005, 01:59,Yedidyah Bar-David: Now, recently Linus decided to move into a 4 numbers versions, and it seems I am having problems with it. I checked several times, and I always find that 2.6.12.2 fails to patch. (upgraded from 2.6.0 into 2.6.11 and then run the You meant