Re: Beyond Stallman

2011-07-17 Thread Jonathan Ben Avraham
Take a look at LWN.net. These folks are all there, in positions of influence. Those of us who travel to the US should make an effort to meet these people. - yba On Mon, 18 Jul 2011, Nadav Har'El wrote: Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 09:45:20 +0300 From: Nadav Har'El To: Jonathan Ben Avraham Cc

Re: Beyond Stallman

2011-07-17 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote about "Beyond Stallman": > Dear Friends, > As community it is time for us to look beyond Richard Stallman. > There are more important and smarter people around who are worthy of our > efforts. To wit, Nina Paley, Allison Randal, Karen Sandler, Rob W

Beyond Stallman

2011-07-17 Thread Jonathan Ben Avraham
Dear Friends, As community it is time for us to look beyond Richard Stallman. There are more important and smarter people around who are worthy of our efforts. To wit, Nina Paley, Allison Randal, Karen Sandler, Rob Weir... These people are a league above Stallman. Rather than waste our efforts o

Re: [RMS11] Re: Finally - A RMS talk in Tel-Aviv. Including details

2011-07-17 Thread Stan Goodman
On 07/18/2011 01:03 AM, Moish wrote: So, free speech has nothing to do with individuals? well, isn't you right of free speech allows you to say that I only the foggiest notion of "free speech"? No, as I said, the concept of free speech has to do only with preventing governments from forbiddi

[RMS11] Re: Finally - A RMS talk in Tel-Aviv. Including details

2011-07-17 Thread Moish
On 17/07/2011 21:58, Stan Goodman wrote: On 07/17/2011 11:20 PM, Moish wrote: On 17/07/2011 20:39, geoffrey mendelson wrote: On Jul 17, 2011, at 8:43 PM, Mordecha Behar wrote: Hey, I'm not saying w

[RMS11] Re: Finally - A RMS talk in Tel-Aviv. Including details

2011-07-17 Thread Omer Zak
On Sun, 2011-07-17 at 22:58 +0300, Stan Goodman wrote: > Arguably, he alone (in concert with his Palestinian hosts), is the one > limiting free speech. This statement does not correspond to the facts of the case. The principle that RMS is violating is not the principle of free speech. The princi

Re: Finally - A RMS talk in Tel-Aviv. Including details

2011-07-17 Thread Stan Goodman
On 07/17/2011 11:20 PM, Moish wrote: On 17/07/2011 20:39, geoffrey mendelson wrote: On Jul 17, 2011, at 8:43 PM, Mordecha Behar wrote: Hey, I'm not saying we should sue, I'm just saying it's an option. And not a good one. We will alienate ourselves in the worldwide community of open software,

Re: Fwd: Finally - A RMS talk in Tel-Aviv. Including details

2011-07-17 Thread Stan Goodman
On 07/17/2011 08:43 PM, Mordecha Behar wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: *Mordecha Behar* > Date: Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 8:43 PM Subject: Re: Finally - A RMS talk in Tel-Aviv. Including details To: Tzafrir Cohen mailto:tzaf...@cohens.org.

Re: Finally - A RMS talk in Tel-Aviv. Including details

2011-07-17 Thread Stan Goodman
On 07/17/2011 07:19 PM, Michael Shiloh wrote: On 07/17/2011 09:15 AM, Stan Goodman wrote: To be more general, it is unheard of for a prospective guest to set political conditions for his hosts. Aside of any other aspects, the man is a boor, and should have been ignored. I'm not sure that'

Re: Finally - A RMS talk in Tel-Aviv. Including details

2011-07-17 Thread Moish
On 17/07/2011 20:39, geoffrey mendelson wrote: On Jul 17, 2011, at 8:43 PM, Mordecha Behar wrote: Hey, I'm not saying we should sue, I'm just saying it's an option. And not a good one. We will alienate ourselves in the worldwide community of open software, and probably burn several bridges whi

Re: Finally - A RMS talk in Tel-Aviv. Including details

2011-07-17 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Sun, Jul 17, 2011, Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda wrote about "Re: Finally - A RMS talk in Tel-Aviv. Including details": > And I guess also about his explanation: > http://stallman.org/articles/palestine-trip.html Unlike other people on this list (who already mentioned Hitler on this thread, so I guess

Re: Finally - A RMS talk in Tel-Aviv. Including details

2011-07-17 Thread Matan Ziv-Av
On Sun, 17 Jul 2011, geoffrey mendelson wrote: To toss out some ad homynms, he's a blight on free speech and free software and he and his fsf have outlived their usefulness. He has crossed the line over which he should never cross, mixing free software with support of terrorists. You misspell

Re: Finally - A RMS talk in Tel-Aviv. Including details

2011-07-17 Thread geoffrey mendelson
On Jul 17, 2011, at 8:43 PM, Mordecha Behar wrote: Hey, I'm not saying we should sue, I'm just saying it's an option. And not a good one. We will alienate ourselves in the worldwide community of open software, and probably burn several bridges which will be very hard to rebuild. I too resen

Re: Finally - A RMS talk in Tel-Aviv. Including details

2011-07-17 Thread Etzion Bar-Noy
+1 to that. Etzion On Jul 17, 2011 8:07 PM, "Dima (Dan) Yasny" wrote: > On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 7:46 PM, Orr Dunkelman wrote: > >> On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 7:19 PM, Michael Shiloh >> >> To be more general, it is unheard of >> for a prospective guest to set >> >> political conditions for his hosts

Fwd: Finally - A RMS talk in Tel-Aviv. Including details

2011-07-17 Thread Mordecha Behar
-- Forwarded message -- From: Mordecha Behar Date: Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 8:43 PM Subject: Re: Finally - A RMS talk in Tel-Aviv. Including details To: Tzafrir Cohen On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 8:33 PM, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > Written off-list, > > On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 08:26:39PM

Re: Finally - A RMS talk in Tel-Aviv. Including details

2011-07-17 Thread Mordecha Behar
2011/7/17 Dima (Dan) Yasny > > > On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 7:46 PM, Orr Dunkelman wrote: > >> On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 7:19 PM, Michael Shiloh >> >> To be more general, it is unheard of >> for a prospective guest to set >> >> political conditions for his hosts. Aside of any other aspects, the man >

Re: Finally - A RMS talk in Tel-Aviv. Including details

2011-07-17 Thread Dima (Dan) Yasny
On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 7:46 PM, Orr Dunkelman wrote: > On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 7:19 PM, Michael Shiloh > >> To be more general, it is unheard of > for a prospective guest to set > >> political conditions for his hosts. Aside of any other aspects, the man > >> is a boor, and should have been igno

Re: Finally - A RMS talk in Tel-Aviv. Including details

2011-07-17 Thread Orr Dunkelman
On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 7:19 PM, Michael Shiloh >> To be more general, it is unheard of for a prospective guest to set >> political conditions for his hosts. Aside of any other aspects, the man >> is a boor, and should have been ignored. > > > I'm not sure that's true. Haven't musicians and other

Re: Finally - A RMS talk in Tel-Aviv. Including details

2011-07-17 Thread Michael Shiloh
On 07/17/2011 09:15 AM, Stan Goodman wrote: To be more general, it is unheard of for a prospective guest to set political conditions for his hosts. Aside of any other aspects, the man is a boor, and should have been ignored. I'm not sure that's true. Haven't musicians and other performers

Re: Finally - A RMS talk in Tel-Aviv. Including details

2011-07-17 Thread Stan Goodman
On 07/17/2011 04:35 PM, Nadav Har'El wrote: On Sun, Jul 17, 2011, Guy Sheffer wrote about "Finally - A RMS talk in Tel-Aviv. Including details": Hey all, I just spoke to the organizer, Sami Abu-Schada. Talk is in the Hebrew-Arab theater in Yafo. They sound like good folks. And they would be hap

Re: Finally - A RMS talk in Tel-Aviv. Including details

2011-07-17 Thread Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda
Stallman asked me to inform people about his two talks: Haifa: Copyright vs Community in the Age of the Computer Networks July 21 at 5pm (sharp). Baladna Youth Club Zion Street 3-A Haifa Tel Aviv area: For a Free Digital Society July 22, 15:00 Al Saraya Theater Mifratz Shlomo St. 10 (near the ha

Re: Finally - A RMS talk in Tel-Aviv. Including details

2011-07-17 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Sun, Jul 17, 2011, Guy Sheffer wrote about "Finally - A RMS talk in Tel-Aviv. Including details": > Hey all, > I just spoke to the organizer, Sami Abu-Schada. Talk is in the > Hebrew-Arab theater in Yafo. > They sound like good folks. And they would be happy to have people come > (and don't wan

Finally - A RMS talk in Tel-Aviv. Including details

2011-07-17 Thread Guy Sheffer
Hey all, I just spoke to the organizer, Sami Abu-Schada. Talk is in the Hebrew-Arab theater in Yafo. They sound like good folks. And they would be happy to have people come (and don't want to get in to the politics). What: A talk by Richard Stallman sponsored by the jaffa youth movement Where: th

Re: [Israel.pm] Job offer:Linux system and scripting developer

2011-07-17 Thread Gabor Szabo
mbs, excuse me but who are you and what is that "we" ? No person name? No company name? ... and where would the job be located? Just a few things I think you have left out from the message. Gabor ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http:

Job offer:Linux system and scripting developer

2011-07-17 Thread mbs
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