1st fallout of Novell/M$ embrace: M$ Exchange replacement Hula dropped

2006-11-29 Thread Peter
As expected, unholy alliances beget monsters. Here is the 1st born. Maybe 'dropped' is not the right term for 'Hula'. It was, er, debased (like having the carpet pulled out from underneath it) ? http://forge.novell.com/pipermail/hula-general/2006-November/002084.html As expected, a prolifi

Re: 1st fallout of Novell/M$ embrace: M$ Exchange replacement Hula dropped

2006-11-29 Thread Ilya Konstantinov
On 11/29/06, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Maybe 'dropped' is not the right term for 'Hula'. It was, er, debased (like having the carpet pulled out from underneath it) ? It's not like Hula was moving anywhere, unless by "moving" you mean something like Mozilla's "moving" when it took 5 years

Re: 1st fallout of Novell/M$ embrace: M$ Exchange replacement Hula dropped

2006-11-29 Thread Shachar Shemesh
I'm glad Ilya answered first, or I would have thought that maybe I'm stuck in an opinion without letting reality check in. Peter wrote: > As expected, Novell, at the moment, are a fish in a barrel. Once you decided that the MS&Novell deal is unholy, anything they do is, in your eyes, an evil man

Re: 1st fallout of Novell/M$ embrace: M$ Exchange replacement Hula dropped

2006-11-29 Thread Julian Daich
El mié, 29-11-2006 a las 15:15 +0200, Shachar Shemesh escribió: > A few years ago a new Linux distribution came along. It was called > "Lindows", and it promised to use Wine in order to run your existing > Windows applications on it. A couple of years later the company decided > that Wine was not

Re: 1st fallout of Novell/M$ embrace: M$ Exchange replacement Hula dropped

2006-11-29 Thread Hetz Ben Hamo
Hi, Just small remark.. A few years ago a new Linux distribution came along. It was called "Lindows", and it promised to use Wine in order to run your existing Windows applications on it. A couple of years later the company decided that Wine was not getting there, and stopped sponsoring any mor

Re: 1st fallout of Novell/M$ embrace: M$ Exchange replacement Hula dropped

2006-11-29 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Julian Daich wrote: > El mié, 29-11-2006 a las 15:15 +0200, Shachar Shemesh escribió: > > >> A few years ago a new Linux distribution came along. It was called >> "Lindows", and it promised to use Wine in order to run your existing >> Windows applications on it. A couple of years later the comp

Re: 1st fallout of Novell/M$ embrace: M$ Exchange replacement Hula dropped

2006-11-29 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: > Hi, > > Just small remark.. > >> A few years ago a new Linux distribution came along. It was called >> "Lindows", and it promised to use Wine in order to run your existing >> Windows applications on it. A couple of years later the company decided >> that Wine was not getting

Re: 1st fallout of Novell/M$ embrace: M$ Exchange replacement Hula dropped

2006-11-29 Thread Peter
On Wed, 29 Nov 2006, Julian Daich wrote: In conclusion, I think that this email is a bit paranoid. Peter Shachar P.s. Since some of the list's administrators have seemed to jump those guns in the past, threatening actions, I would like to clarify that though I think that Peter's email is par

Re: 1st fallout of Novell/M$ embrace: M$ Exchange replacement Hula dropped

2006-11-29 Thread Ilya Konstantinov
On 11/29/06, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: b) vague concerns with regards to any patented/0wned technology used in Hula (i.e. essentially proprietary m$ messaging protocols used to communicate with real Exchange) Just to put the record straight, Hula doesn't aim for any special Exchange inte

Re: 1st fallout of Novell/M$ embrace: M$ Exchange replacement Hula dropped

2006-11-29 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Peter wrote: > I do not consider myself paranoid, I guess that makes the two of us. > I would like to add that in view of what m$'s history of 'cooperation' > with other entities looks like, I consider that people who are not > paranoid about what happens in such instances overdose their > Ritalin

Re: 1st fallout of Novell/M$ embrace: M$ Exchange replacement Hula dropped

2006-11-29 Thread Peter
On Wed, 29 Nov 2006, Ilya Konstantinov wrote: Just to put the record straight, Hula doesn't aim for any special Exchange interop. Essentially, it's an attempt by Novell to resurrect a dead product called NetMail, which they happily sold without any patent concerns (till it got old and irrelevan

Re: 1st fallout of Novell/M$ embrace: M$ Exchange replacement Hula dropped

2006-11-29 Thread Julian Daich
El mié, 29-11-2006 a las 16:40 +0200, Shachar Shemesh escribió: > Julian Daich wrote: > > > El mié, 29-11-2006 a las 15:15 +0200, Shachar Shemesh escribió: > > > > > >> A few years ago a new Linux distribution came along. It was called > >> "Lindows", and it promised to use Wine in order to run

Re: 1st fallout of Novell/M$ embrace: M$ Exchange replacement Hula dropped

2006-11-29 Thread Peter
With¨ paid¨ do you mean that MS lost the case? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_v._Lindows Peter = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo

Re: 1st fallout of Novell/M$ embrace: M$ Exchange replacement Hula dropped

2006-11-29 Thread Julian Daich
El mié, 29-11-2006 a las 16:40 +0200, Shachar Shemesh escribió: > > but¨ Lindows¨ became¨ Linspire¨ and they were granted by > > Microsoft with the rights to use or distribute codecs as the win32 > > package and other proprietary software within their distribution. > > > Which, you have agree,

Re: 1st fallout of Novell/M$ embrace: M$ Exchange replacement Hula dropped

2006-11-29 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Julian Daich wrote: >> The suing party (MS) paid the defendants (Lindows) to change their name, >> understanding that if the trial does go forward MS will lose their >> trademark. >> > With¨ paid¨ do you mean that MS lost the case? > Nobody lost it. It was settled out of court. >> Which,