IBM lecture(s) rant

2003-01-08 Thread Alexander Maryanovsky
I found the lectures today rather unimpressive, although the event itself was quite nice and well organized. Some specific notes: 1. The "Ila" guy seemed to misunderstand the whole "use Linux in govt." proposition. This has been discussed a lot, but worth repeating: His argument was that if Lin

Re: IBM lecture(s) rant

2003-01-08 Thread kfir lavi
Alexander Maryanovsky wrote: I found the lectures today rather unimpressive, although the event itself was quite nice and well organized. Some specific notes: 1. The "Ila" guy seemed to misunderstand the whole "use Linux in govt." proposition. This has been discussed a lot, but worth repeating:

Re: IBM lecture(s) rant

2003-01-08 Thread herouth
Quoting Alexander Maryanovsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > 1. The "Ila" guy seemed to misunderstand the whole "use Linux in govt." > proposition. This has been discussed a lot, but worth repeating: >His argument was that if Linux is good, it should compete and win based > on that, and not on a law.

Re: IBM lecture(s) rant

2003-01-08 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, Alexander Maryanovsky wrote: > I found the lectures today rather unimpressive, although the event itself > was quite nice and well organized. > Some specific notes: > 1. The "Ila" guy seemed to misunderstand the whole "use Linux in govt." > proposition. This has been discussed

Re: IBM lecture(s) rant

2003-01-08 Thread Alexander Maryanovsky
Therefore it can be argued that the government should require software to be auditable by some means, but not to force Linux specifically, or even free software in general. For example, assume that MSFT gives the government a peek at their source code, subject to NDA and a license written by the

Re: IBM lecture(s) rant

2003-01-08 Thread Ehud Karni
On Wed, 08 Jan 2003 16:24:04 +0200, Alexander Maryanovsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > 3. Linux is Open Source? FreeBSD is Free Software? Am I missing something > here? Last I checked, Linux was GPL and FreeBSD was BSD, making Linux Free > Software and FreeBSD OSS. I would've believed it was an

Re: IBM lecture(s) rant

2003-01-08 Thread Ira Abramov
Quoting Alexander Maryanovsky, from the post of Wed, 08 Jan: > 1. The "Ila" guy seemed to misunderstand the whole "use Linux in > govt." proposition. This has been discussed a lot, but worth > repeating: His argument was that if Linux is good, it should compete > and win based on that, and not on a

Re: IBM lecture(s) rant

2003-01-08 Thread Ira Abramov
Quoting Shlomi Fish, from the post of Wed, 08 Jan: > > Naturally, I was disappointed that Stallman did not show up, but still I > did not find it disappointed because I got to meet a lot of my Linuxer > friends whom I do not get to meet very often (IRL, that is). yeah, I fealt anxious by the numb

Re: IBM lecture(s) rant

2003-01-08 Thread Henry Ficher
Ira Abramov wrote: Red Hat are not "in the black" AFAIK either. Actually, they are: http://www.commweb.com/article/IWK20021217S0007 Cheers, Henry = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe"

Re: IBM lecture(s) rant

2003-01-08 Thread Gilad Ben-Yossef
On Wed, 2003-01-08 at 06:24, Alexander Maryanovsky wrote: > Especially disappointing was Moshe Bar's lecture. I've only heard about him > until now, but since he teaches the "OS design" class in TAU (which I'm > going to have to take for my degree), I assumed he's more knowledgeable > that that

Re: IBM lecture(s) rant

2003-01-08 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, Ira Abramov wrote: > > 2. Nobody is making money from selling Free software? This may be true > > per se, but it's a very bad statement. There are many companies who > > are making money *developing* Free software, so who cares if they're > > and proof was Zend and a few others

Re: IBM lecture(s) rant

2003-01-08 Thread Muli Ben-Yehuda
On Wed, Jan 08, 2003 at 06:18:26PM +0200, Ira Abramov wrote: > Quoting Shlomi Fish, from the post of Wed, 08 Jan: > > > > Naturally, I was disappointed that Stallman did not show up, but still I > > did not find it disappointed because I got to meet a lot of my Linuxer > > friends whom I do not ge

Re: IBM lecture(s) rant

2003-01-08 Thread Muli Ben-Yehuda
On Wed, Jan 08, 2003 at 04:24:04PM +0200, Alexander Maryanovsky wrote: > I found the lectures today rather unimpressive, although the event itself > was quite nice and well organized. Come to the event in Haifa tomorrow (today) (if you registered in advance), should be much more technical and les

Re: IBM lecture(s) rant

2003-01-08 Thread Ira Abramov
Quoting Muli Ben-Yehuda, from the post of Thu, 09 Jan: > I'm going to give a talk on kernel hacking ("your kernel just > oopsed. What do you do? what do you do?") at the bi weekly Haifux > meeting on Monday, Jan 20th. All that want to drop by are most > welcome, and we'll be going out for Sushi aft

Re: IBM lecture(s) rant

2003-01-09 Thread Ira Abramov
Quoting Muli Ben-Yehuda, from the post of Thu, 09 Jan: > Again, the Haifa event has been slated from the beginning as > technical, while the TAU event has been slated as > "marketing/introductory" oriented. Hope to see you in Haifa! damn. for some reason I was convinced it was the same set of lect

Re: IBM lecture(s) rant

2003-01-09 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: > On Wed, Jan 08, 2003 at 06:18:26PM +0200, Ira Abramov wrote: > > Quoting Shlomi Fish, from the post of Wed, 08 Jan: > > > > > > Naturally, I was disappointed that Stallman did not show up, but still I > > > did not find it disappointed because I got to

Re: IBM lecture(s) rant

2003-01-09 Thread Jonathan Ben Avraham
On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, Shlomi Fish wrote: > On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: > > > On Wed, Jan 08, 2003 at 06:18:26PM +0200, Ira Abramov wrote: > > > Quoting Shlomi Fish, from the post of Wed, 08 Jan: [snip] > Can you please not go to Sushi? Chinese food or Italian Food or Pizza or Chin

Re: IBM lecture(s) rant

2003-01-09 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Thu, Jan 09, 2003, Shlomi Fish wrote about "Re: IBM lecture(s) rant": > Can you please not go to Sushi? Chinese food or Italian Food or Pizza or > Nando's or Mizrahi or whatever will be much better for me. I cannot think And if Muli prefers Sushi over Italian/Nandos,

Re: IBM lecture(s) rant

2003-01-09 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, Nadav Har'El wrote: > On Thu, Jan 09, 2003, Shlomi Fish wrote about "Re: IBM lecture(s) rant": > > Can you please not go to Sushi? Chinese food or Italian Food or Pizza or > > Nando's or Mizrahi or whatever will be much better for me. I c

Re: IBM lecture(s) rant

2003-01-09 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote: > On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, Shlomi Fish wrote: > > > On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Jan 08, 2003 at 06:18:26PM +0200, Ira Abramov wrote: > > > > Quoting Shlomi Fish, from the post of Wed, 08 Jan: > > [snip] > > > Can you pleas

Re: IBM lecture(s) rant

2003-01-09 Thread Muli Ben-Yehuda
On Thu, Jan 09, 2003 at 06:20:06PM +0200, Nadav Har'El wrote: > On Thu, Jan 09, 2003, Shlomi Fish wrote about "Re: IBM lecture(s) rant": > > Can you please not go to Sushi? Chinese food or Italian Food or Pizza or > > Nando's or Mizrahi or whatever will be

Re: IBM lecture(s) rant

2003-01-09 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: > On Thu, Jan 09, 2003 at 06:20:06PM +0200, Nadav Har'El wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 09, 2003, Shlomi Fish wrote about "Re: IBM lecture(s) rant": > > > Can you please not go to Sushi? Chinese food or Italian Food or Piz

Re: IBM lecture(s) rant

2003-01-09 Thread Muli Ben-Yehuda
On Thu, Jan 09, 2003 at 07:30:29PM +0200, Shlomi Fish wrote: > Do they serve other food there? If so I'll gladly come. (unless people > smoke there of course) They do, and people do smoke there. The number of completely non smoking restaurants in Haifa that I know of is far too small. In any ca

Re: IBM lecture(s) rant

2003-01-09 Thread Geoffrey S. Mendelson
Shlomi Fish wrote: > We can easily go to Nando's instead. They serve only various variations of > Chicken and other entrees, but the food is very good. > > Do they serve other food there? If so I'll gladly come. (unless people > smoke there of course) No. I was not planing on going to this one

Re: IBM lecture(s) rant

2003-01-09 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: > Shlomi Fish wrote: > > > We can easily go to Nando's instead. They serve only various variations of > > Chicken and other entrees, but the food is very good. > > > > Do they serve other food there? If so I'll gladly come. (unless people > > smoke

Re: IBM lecture(s) rant

2003-01-09 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Thu, Jan 09, 2003, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote about "Re: IBM lecture(s) rant": > I was not planing on going to this one, but if I did I could not even > go into a nando's (I'm allergic to chicken) It is not a place > for people who can't/won't eat chick

Re: IBM lecture(s) rant

2003-01-09 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
"Nadav Har'El" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Yes, Nandos is indeed not a very diverse place. Chicken this, > chicken that. Just missing is Alcoholic chicken [1] :) Oh, but they do have "alcoholic chicken": they used to run a promotion (mivtsa) where you got a free beer (yeah, I managed to throw

Re: IBM lecture(s) rant

2003-01-09 Thread Ira Abramov
Quoting Ira Abramov, from the post of Thu, 09 Jan: > damn. for some reason I was convinced it was the same set of lectures in > two locations. now I'm sad I decided to go to TAU rather than the one in > Haifa... do send in notes and summeries (and anecdotes, and...) > > thanks :) WELL? what was

OT: Sushi (was RE: IBM lecture(s) rant)

2003-01-09 Thread Arik Baratz
> -Original Message- > From: Shlomi Fish [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Can you please not go to Sushi? Chinese food or Italian Food > or Pizza or > Nando's or Mizrahi or whatever will be much better for me. I > cannot think > of eating small servings of raw fish with a little rice. I hear

Re: OT: Sushi (was RE: IBM lecture(s) rant)

2003-01-09 Thread Ira Abramov
Quoting Arik Baratz, from the post of Thu, 09 Jan: > I'd like to offset the opinions that you have had by saying that Sushi > is delightfully tasety, and not at all disgusting. It is real food, > eaten by real people, many of which are in Japan. It is far from > poisonous, with the single exception

Re: OT: Sushi (was RE: IBM lecture(s) rant)

2003-01-09 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, Ira Abramov wrote: > Quoting Arik Baratz, from the post of Thu, 09 Jan: > > I'd like to offset the opinions that you have had by saying that Sushi > > is delightfully tasety, and not at all disgusting. It is real food, > > eaten by real people, many of which are in Japan. It is

Re: OT: Sushi (was RE: IBM lecture(s) rant)

2003-01-09 Thread Official Flamer/Cabal NON-Leader
Quoth Shlomi Fish: > Kudos to the pun. If there is cooked food, which is similar to something I > know, I'm all for it. I always like to taste new dishes. But Linux Dinners > are somewhere I'd rather stick to something I know would be tasty in > advance. The reason is that the point is the company

Re: OT: Sushi (was RE: IBM lecture(s) rant)

2003-01-09 Thread boaz_mic
te List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Ira Abramov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 9:38 PM Subject: Re: OT: Sushi (was RE: IBM lecture(s) rant) > Quoth Shlomi Fish: > > > Kudos to the pun. If there is cooked food, which is similar to someth

Another honorable(?) Linux-IL tradition (was: Re: IBM lecture(s)rant)

2003-01-09 Thread Omer Zak
acred traditional instrument). Also, can anyone add to the Linux-IL FAQ a prohibition about discussing what kinds of food one doesn't want to consume? On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, Nadav Har'El wrote: > On Thu, Jan 09, 2003, Shlomi Fish wrote about "Re: IBM lecture(s) rant": > &