Re: Complaining and Solving Problems of the Nvidia Drivers

2004-01-02 Thread Diego Iastrubni
ביום שישי, 2 בינואר 2004, 12:49, כתבת: > Finally, I have a problem. When I use an OpenGL screensaver, the X server > crashes and brings me back to command line. It doesn't happen with a > non-OpenGL screensaver, so it's probably the driver's fault. I wish to > know how can I resolve this. It is obv

Re: Complaining and Solving Problems of the Nvidia Drivers

2004-01-02 Thread Ez-Aton
You could check the support section, and forums of NVidia's site. They have solutions for such things. Unlike many other hardware and driver vendors, NVidia (which ships closed source driver) have a good support, and great forums, meant for you, and everyone else who needs support, regarding Lin

Re: Complaining and Solving Problems of the Nvidia Drivers

2004-01-02 Thread Muli Ben-Yehuda
On Fri, Jan 02, 2004 at 12:49:55PM +0200, Shlomi Fish wrote: > > I think the fact they are not open-source and integrated into the main > kernel is a huge burden for me, and gives me a lot of trouble. Great, so why did you buy them in the first place? buy a card from a vendor that opens its drive

Re: Complaining and Solving Problems of the Nvidia Drivers

2004-01-02 Thread Muli Ben-Yehuda
On Fri, Jan 02, 2004 at 01:15:07PM +0200, Ez-Aton wrote: > You can blame them for being closed source (as you can blame most of the > world, today), but you cannot blame them for lack of support. Of course you can. By not opening up the drivers, they deprive you of the best form of support - hel

Re: Complaining and Solving Problems of the Nvidia Drivers

2004-01-02 Thread Ez-Aton
BTW, the solution is there. It is usually related to AGP communication. You can, of course, debug the kernel, the X system, the driver, their relationship, but NVidia did this for you before. Not open, but a good product, and a good support. Not everyone (actually, only very few) bother debuggin

Re: Complaining and Solving Problems of the Nvidia Drivers

2004-01-02 Thread Muli Ben-Yehuda
On Fri, Jan 02, 2004 at 02:51:53PM +0200, Ez-Aton wrote: > BTW, the solution is there. It is usually related to AGP communication. You > can, of course, debug the kernel, the X system, the driver, their > relationship, but NVidia did this for you before. c.f. shlomif's problem, obviously, they

Re: Complaining and Solving Problems of the Nvidia Drivers

2004-01-02 Thread Hetz Ben Hamo
Hi Shlomi, > The question is who should I complain to? NVidia supplies the drivers on > their homepage, but claims I should address their OEMs for support. Fact > is: I bought my computer recently with an NVidia GX4 card there and don't > know who my card OEM is. (albeit I may be able to find out)

Re: Complaining and Solving Problems of the Nvidia Drivers

2004-01-02 Thread Ez-Aton
On Friday 02 January 2004 14:56, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: > On Fri, Jan 02, 2004 at 02:51:53PM +0200, Ez-Aton wrote: > > BTW, the solution is there. It is usually related to AGP communication. > > You can, of course, debug the kernel, the X system, the driver, their > > relationship, but NVidia did t

Re: Complaining and Solving Problems of the Nvidia Drivers

2004-01-02 Thread Hetz Ben Hamo
Wrong, big time! ATI Drivers are so horrible, that unless you have the real high end card (8xxx or 9xxx) - then their closed source drivers won't help you, and the open source drivers will give you AT BEST - 30-40% of speed in 3D. I'm not mentioning the fact that there is no AGP driver for thei

Re: Complaining and Solving Problems of the Nvidia Drivers

2004-01-02 Thread Diego Iastrubni
so what were those rumours saying that 3D games on linux have more frame rate then on windows? BTW, is there TV out support on their drivers? The drivers on the site are for 8500 and 9x000, how abut the 7x000 family? ביום שישי, 2 בינואר 2004, 15:11, נכתב על ידי Hetz Ben Hamo: > Wrong, big time!

Re: Complaining and Solving Problems of the Nvidia Drivers

2004-01-02 Thread Ez-Aton
The 7xxx is unsupported. I have a laptop using one of the 7xxx familly (I think the mobile M6 or a similar name), and I can use only the built-in XFree drivers. None others. Ez. On Friday 02 January 2004 16:20, Diego Iastrubni wrote: > so what were those rumours saying that 3D games on linux ha

Re: Complaining and Solving Problems of the Nvidia Drivers

2004-01-02 Thread Alon Weinstein
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Diego Iastrubni wrote: | so what were those rumours saying that 3D games on linux have more frame rate | then on windows? | | BTW, | is there TV out support on their drivers? | The drivers on the site are for 8500 and 9x000, how abut the 7x000 family? |

Re: Complaining and Solving Problems of the Nvidia Drivers

2004-01-02 Thread Meir Kriheli
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 02 January 2004 15:11, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: > Wrong, big time! > > ATI Drivers are so horrible, that unless you have the real high end card > (8xxx or 9xxx) - then their closed source drivers won't help you, and the > open source drivers will

Re: Complaining and Solving Problems of the Nvidia Drivers

2004-01-02 Thread Oron Peled
On Friday 02 January 2004 14:23, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: > Great, so why did you buy them in the first place? buy a card from a > vendor that opens its drivers. Pretty obvious, isn't it? It is (I haven't bought any of their cards). But can you point to *any* card with at least an open spec? It does

Re: Complaining and Solving Problems of the Nvidia Drivers

2004-01-02 Thread Muli Ben-Yehuda
On Fri, Jan 02, 2004 at 03:08:19PM +0200, Ez-Aton wrote: > > The choice should be obvious. > > Would it? What would you choose then? A card that has open drivers. In the hypothetical case that no such card exists, I would've bought the one that is closest to "open" and worked on reverse engineer

Re: Complaining and Solving Problems of the Nvidia Drivers

2004-01-02 Thread Muli Ben-Yehuda
On Fri, Jan 02, 2004 at 05:01:18PM +0200, Oron Peled wrote: > On Friday 02 January 2004 14:23, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: > > Great, so why did you buy them in the first place? buy a card from a > > vendor that opens its drivers. Pretty obvious, isn't it? > > It is (I haven't bought any of their cards

Re: Complaining and Solving Problems of the Nvidia Drivers

2004-01-02 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
Muli Ben-Yehuda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > No, I'm afraid I haven't done any research into this problem yet and > thus cannot point you to such a card, although I should, soon. I > think Oleg did recently, though. Oleg? Well, I tried to stay away from this discussion, but now I am drawn into i

Re: Complaining and Solving Problems of the Nvidia Drivers

2004-01-02 Thread Ez-Aton
Not entirely correct. You could find some ATI [EMAIL PROTECTED] or the likes, for around 200NIS. It will work with X out of the box. It will have zero (0) 3D abilities, and it's fine for you. If you want to play the simplest 3D game - let's say tux racer, you need 3D acceleration, else you'll g

RE: Complaining and Solving Problems of the Nvidia Drivers

2004-01-04 Thread Iftach Hyams
Intel chipsets (like 855) include 3D enabled chip and the documentation can be found in their site. It is low-end as far as 3D OpenGL (and things like lighting aren't implemented in hardware). They will have a new chip in couple of months with better architecture, but still, it leaves you with the

Re: Complaining and Solving Problems of the Nvidia Drivers

2004-01-04 Thread Gil Freund
How about Matrox, S3, SiS and Intel? Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: Muli Ben-Yehuda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: No, I'm afraid I haven't done any research into this problem yet and thus cannot point you to such a card, although I should, soon. I think Oleg did recently, though. Oleg? Well, I tried to

Re: Complaining and Solving Problems of the Nvidia Drivers

2004-01-05 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
Gil Freund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > How about Matrox, S3, SiS and Intel? Very difficult to come across nowadays in your neighbourhood computer shop, AFAIK. Your favourite shop may be an exception, but these vendors' market share is small compared to nVidia and ATI[1]. Intel make on-board car