> On Tue, 02 Jan 2007 15:01:56 PST, David Schwartz said:
> > There is simply no way you can argue that McDonald's failed to
> > warn people
> > about the risks. The cup says "hot" on it,
> Actually, the "HOT" on the cup and the sticker in the drive-through that
> says "Warning: Coffee is served
On Tue, 2007-01-02 at 16:23 -0300, Horst H. von Brand wrote:
> Bernd Petrovitsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [...]
> > I don't know about others but I wouldn't write an offer with a fixed
> > price for "look into assembler dumps, reverse engineer it and find an
> > infringement on a list of given
On Tue, 02 Jan 2007 15:01:56 PST, David Schwartz said:
> There is simply no way you can argue that McDonald's failed to warn people
> about the risks. The cup says "hot" on it,
Actually, the "HOT" on the cup and the sticker in the drive-through that
says "Warning: Coffee is served very hot" were a
On Tue, 02 Jan 2007 12:14:54 PST, David Schwartz said:
>
> > The recommendet _serving_ temperature for coffe is 55 °C or below.
>
> Nonsense! 55C (100F) is ludicrously low for coffee.
>
> 70C (125F) is the *minimum* recommended serving temperature. 165-190F is the
100F == 37C
125F == 52C
55C =
> On Tue, 2007-01-02 at 12:14 -0800, David Schwartz wrote:
> > > The recommendet _serving_ temperature for coffe is 55 °C or below.
> >
> > Nonsense! 55C (100F) is ludicrously low for coffee.
> >
> > 70C (125F) is the *minimum* recommended serving temperature.
> 165-190F is the
> > preferred se
On Tue, 2007-01-02 at 12:14 -0800, David Schwartz wrote:
> > The recommendet _serving_ temperature for coffe is 55 °C or below.
>
> Nonsense! 55C (100F) is ludicrously low for coffee.
>
> 70C (125F) is the *minimum* recommended serving temperature. 165-190F is the
> preferred serving range. I can
> How many of them stuffed the cup between their legs though? I think it
> she would have sqeezed the cup too hard and burned her hand and sued
> McDonalds for that people would be more understainding...
How would what she did have any bearing on the key issue, which is whether
or not McDonald's
On Wed, 3 Jan 2007 08:11:21 +1100 Neil Brown wrote:
> Of course if people would just put milk in their coffee, we would have
> this problem :-)
>
> [We now return you to our regular program of filesystem corruption
> and flame wars].
Yes, PLEEZE!
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On Tuesday January 2, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 02, 2007 at 08:22:21AM -0500, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
> > On Tue, 2 Jan 2007, Theodore Tso wrote:
> >
> > > I can very easily believe it. The US patent system and "justice"
> > > system in the US is completely and totally insane, and co
On Tue, Jan 02, 2007 at 06:13:46PM +0100, Jan Engelhardt wrote:
>
> On Jan 2 2007 16:15, David Weinehall wrote:
> >On Tue, Jan 02, 2007 at 08:22:21AM -0500, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
> >> On Tue, 2 Jan 2007, Theodore Tso wrote:
> >>
> >> 1) mcdonald's was not merely serving their coffee "hot," but
On 1/2/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Tue, 02 Jan 2007 20:30:17 +0100, Geert Uytterhoeven said:
> > > 2) there had, for a decade prior, been some *700* cases where people
> > > had burned themselves with mcdonald's coffee, so it's not as if
> > > mcdonald's was unaware of th
> The recommendet _serving_ temperature for coffe is 55 °C or below.
Nonsense! 55C (100F) is ludicrously low for coffee.
70C (125F) is the *minimum* recommended serving temperature. 165-190F is the
preferred serving range. I can cite source after source for this. For
example:
http://www.bunn.com
On Tue, Jan 02, 2007 at 07:44:24PM +0100, Bodo Eggert wrote:
> David Weinehall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Tue, Jan 02, 2007 at 08:22:21AM -0500, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
>
> >> 1) mcdonald's was not merely serving their coffee "hot," but
> >> *scalding* hot (180 to 190 degrees Fahrenheit), a
On Tue, 02 Jan 2007 20:30:17 +0100, Geert Uytterhoeven said:
> > > 2) there had, for a decade prior, been some *700* cases where people
> > > had burned themselves with mcdonald's coffee, so it's not as if
> > > mcdonald's was unaware of the danger, yet continued to ignore it.
>
> Given the popul
On Tue, 2 Jan 2007, David Weinehall wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 02, 2007 at 08:22:21AM -0500, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
> > 1) mcdonald's was not merely serving their coffee "hot," but
> > *scalding* hot (180 to 190 degrees Fahrenheit), a temperature that
> > will produce third-degree burns almost immediate
Bernd Petrovitsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[...]
> I don't know about others but I wouldn't write an offer with a fixed
> price for "look into assembler dumps, reverse engineer it and find an
> infringement on a list of given patents" so the patent holder has to
> list the patents and the amoun
David Weinehall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 02, 2007 at 08:22:21AM -0500, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
>> 1) mcdonald's was not merely serving their coffee "hot," but
>> *scalding* hot (180 to 190 degrees Fahrenheit), a temperature that
>> will produce third-degree burns almost immediately
On Jan 2 2007 16:15, David Weinehall wrote:
>On Tue, Jan 02, 2007 at 08:22:21AM -0500, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
>> On Tue, 2 Jan 2007, Theodore Tso wrote:
>>
>> 1) mcdonald's was not merely serving their coffee "hot," but
>> *scalding* hot (180 to 190 degrees Fahrenheit), a temperature that
>> wil
> > > > I can very easily believe it. The US patent system and "justice"
> > > > system in the US is completely and totally insane, and companies
> > > > often feel they have to act accordingly. Remember this is the
> > > > country that has issued multi-million dollar awards to people who
> > >
On Tue, Jan 02 2007, David Weinehall wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 02, 2007 at 08:22:21AM -0500, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
> > On Tue, 2 Jan 2007, Theodore Tso wrote:
> >
> > > I can very easily believe it. The US patent system and "justice"
> > > system in the US is completely and totally insane, and compa
On Tue, Jan 02, 2007 at 08:22:21AM -0500, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
> On Tue, 2 Jan 2007, Theodore Tso wrote:
>
> > I can very easily believe it. The US patent system and "justice"
> > system in the US is completely and totally insane, and companies
> > often feel they have to act accordingly. Rem
On Tue, 2 Jan 2007, Theodore Tso wrote:
> I can very easily believe it. The US patent system and "justice"
> system in the US is completely and totally insane, and companies
> often feel they have to act accordingly. Remember this is the
> country that has issued multi-million dollar awards to p
On Tue, Jan 02, 2007 at 09:26:14PM +1000, Trent Waddington wrote:
> The list of features which the driver supports is going to be
> sufficient evidence for 99% of patents that relate to computer
> graphics hardware.
Nope, not necessarily. Recall that Patent Office has issued a patent
on the conce
On Tue, 2007-01-02 at 21:26 +1000, Trent Waddington wrote:
> On 1/2/07, Bernd Petrovitsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > While this is true (at last in theory), there is one difference in
> > practice: It is *much* easier to prove a/the patent violation if you
> > have (original?) source code than
On 1/2/07, Bernd Petrovitsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
While this is true (at last in theory), there is one difference in
practice: It is *much* easier to prove a/the patent violation if you
have (original?) source code than to reverse engineer the assembler dump
of the compiled code and prove t
> I think you're repeating a myth that has become a common part of
> hacker lore in recent years. It's caused by how little we know about
> software patents. The myth is that if you release source code which
> violates someone's patent that is somehow worse than if you release
> binaries that vio
On Tue, 2007-01-02 at 16:30 +1000, Trent Waddington wrote:
[...]
> I think you're repeating a myth that has become a common part of
> hacker lore in recent years. It's caused by how little we know about
> software patents. The myth is that if you release source code which
> violates someone's pat
On 1/2/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The binary blob in question is several megabytes in size. Now, even
totally *ignoring* who knowingly licensed/stole/whatever IP from who,
that *still* leaves the problem of trying to write several megabytes of
code that doesn't infringe on
On Mon, Jan 01, 2007 at 11:04:49PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Sun, 31 Dec 2006 23:03:27 +1000, Trent Waddington said:
> > Why don't you release source? To protect the intellectual property.
> > Well, duh! That's why everyone holds back source. So allow me to
> > translate..
> >
> > Wh
On Sun, 31 Dec 2006 23:03:27 +1000, Trent Waddington said:
> Why don't you release source? To protect the intellectual property.
> Well, duh! That's why everyone holds back source. So allow me to
> translate..
>
> Why don't you release source? Because we don't believe in freedom, we
> don't "g
On Sun, 31 Dec 2006 17:09:43 GMT, Alan said:
> That IP story is for the most part not even credible. If they were worried
> about "software IP" they would release hardware docs and let us get on
> with writing drivers that may well not be as cool as theirs but would
> work. If they had real IPR in
> Why don't you release source? To protect the intellectual property.
> Well, duh! That's why everyone holds back source. So allow me to
> translate..
That IP story is for the most part not even credible. If they were worried
about "software IP" they would release hardware docs and let us get o
> On Thu, Dec 21, 2006 at 01:16:15PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > At least nVidia *does* actually Get It, they just don't have a choice in
> > implementing it, because all their current hardware includes patents that
> > they licensed from other companies
What makes you think they "get it
On Fri, 2006-12-22 at 12:59 +0100, Erik Mouw wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 21, 2006 at 01:16:15PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > At least nVidia *does* actually Get It, they just don't have a choice in
> > implementing it, because all their current hardware includes patents that
> > they licensed from
On Fri, 22 Dec 2006 12:59:21 +0100, Erik Mouw said:
> On Thu, Dec 21, 2006 at 01:16:15PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > At least nVidia *does* actually Get It, they just don't have a choice in
> > implementing it, because all their current hardware includes patents that
> > they licensed from
On Thu, Dec 21, 2006 at 01:16:15PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> At least nVidia *does* actually Get It, they just don't have a choice in
> implementing it, because all their current hardware includes patents that
> they licensed from other companies (I believe some of the OpenGL stuff that
> o
On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 23:06:43 +0100, Giuseppe Bilotta said:
> So while what you say is perfectly sensible for *software* developers,
> it has absolutely nothing to do with the closed source drivers
> *hardware* companies distribute.
The problem is that the software drivers reveal an awful lot abou
On Wed, 2006-12-20 at 16:38 -0800, Casey Schaufler wrote:
[...]
> The argument that a hardware company usually
> invokes is that, while they don't give a horse's
> pitute about the software itself, they do care
> about the information the software contains
> about their hardware. The concern is tha
--- Giuseppe Bilotta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Except that we're talking about *hardware* companies
> here, not
> *software* companies. *Hardware* companies make
> money by selling
> *hardware*, not the software that drives it: in
> fact, they always
> distribute the 'software' they write (th
On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 23:34:53 +0200, Hannu Savolainen wrote:
> For a professional developer of any software the decision of open
> sourcing it is not easy. "Just for fun" developers have no problems
> because they don't expect to be able to live on their work anyway.
> However a professional dev
On 18/12/06, Hannu Savolainen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Marek Wawrzyczny wrote:
> Dear Linux Kernel ML,
>
> I am writing as a Linux-only user of over 2 years to express my concern with
> the recent proposal to block out closed source modules from the kernel.
>
> While, I understand and share you
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