Re: [OT] Re: Availability of kdb

2000-09-07 Thread J. Dow
Timur, > Well, if it really is just his hobby, then he shouldn't be chanting the "World > Domination" mantra. Either Linux belongs to Linus, in which case it's > irrelevant outside his personal world, or it is a tool for all computer users. > If Linus really doesn't care who uses his OS, then he

Re: Availability of kdb

2000-09-07 Thread J. Dow
From: "Horst von Brand" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > "J. Dow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > [...] > > > The point is that WITH a debugger you have to take that step as well. > > A person without the self discipline to do that is still a child and should > > not be in this business. The debugger gives

[PATCH] rewrite of truncate_inode_pages

2000-09-07 Thread Juan J. Quintela
Hi this patch does: - it moke use of the same locking for partial & complete pages, the old version did busy-waiting in the case that the partial page was locked. - rewrites truncate_inodes_pages() using 2 auxiliar functions: * truncate_partial_page() that truncates a partial

Re: Weird module dependencies in some netfilter modules

2000-09-07 Thread Keith Owens
On Thu, 7 Sep 2000 23:39:11 -0300, Cesar Eduardo Barros <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >My modules.dep has the following lines: > >/lib/modules/2.4.0-test8-pre1/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_nat_ftp.o: >/lib/modules/2.4.0-test8-pre1/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/iptable_nat.o \ >

Re: [OT] Re: Availability of kdb

2000-09-07 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Tigran] > > I like this one even better: > > > > "Little children, keep yourselves from idols" -- St John, Ist century. [rgooch] > Hm. Does that apply also to all the statues of saints, the virgin > mother and all those crosses with Jesus that you find in churches, > hanging off people's

Linux Kernel Debugger

2000-09-07 Thread Jeff Merkey
Linus, I gave the whole Social Darwinsim argument you raised with the parable of the rabbits and the wolves relative to a kernel debugger in Linux considerable thought, and I guess that darwinism never did handle events well like 6 mile diameter meteors striking the earth at 165,000 miles per

out of date mirrors in ftp.us.kernel.org rotation

2000-09-07 Thread lamont
Connecting to 204.201.36.164... elijah.nodomainname.net FTP server (Version wu-2.5.0(1) Wed Aug 25 14:13:56 EDT has a /pub/linux/kernel/people/alan that is out of date (latest is 2.2.15pre) and, Connecting to 198.186.203.38...

Re: Weird module dependencies in some netfilter modules

2000-09-07 Thread Keith Owens
On Thu, 7 Sep 2000 23:39:11 -0300, Cesar Eduardo Barros <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >My modules.dep has the following lines: > >/lib/modules/2.4.0-test8-pre1/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_nat_ftp.o: >/lib/modules/2.4.0-test8-pre1/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/iptable_nat.o \ >

Re: 2.4.0-test7, and filemap_write_page...

2000-09-07 Thread Mike A. Harris
On Thu, 7 Sep 2000, Petr Vandrovec wrote: >Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 23:49:57 MET-1 >From: Petr Vandrovec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >Subject: 2.4.0-test7, and filemap_write_page... > >Hi, > I

Re: modules_install?

2000-09-07 Thread Ricky Beam
On 8 Sep 2000, Juan J. Quintela wrote: >Could we make it _easy_ to put all the >modules/System.map/bzImage/ in boot/ and make it easy to do >a tar of that directory and make easy to install that dir in another >machine (perhaps puting a tiny Makefile/script there to do that). Well, one can

Weird module dependencies in some netfilter modules

2000-09-07 Thread Cesar Eduardo Barros
My modules.dep has the following lines: /lib/modules/2.4.0-test8-pre1/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_nat_ftp.o: /lib/modules/2.4.0-test8-pre1/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/iptable_nat.o \ /lib/modules/2.4.0-test8-pre1/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ipchains.o \

Re: modules_install?

2000-09-07 Thread Horst von Brand
mberglund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Thu, 7 Sep 2000, Horst von Brand wrote: > > > range.) What's the point in making processors faster if everyone just > > > wastes the increase being "correct and simple"? > > Because people-time is much more expensive than computer-time this days? > >

Re: Drivers that potentially leave state as TASK_{UN}INTERRUPTIBLE

2000-09-07 Thread Stuart Lynne
You can ran into problems using schedule_timeout() in a block device request function under 2.4. This can be demonstrated by starting some I/O intensive tasks to your block device and running sync in another task. Eventually the block layer will lock up. This can be fixed by creating a kernel

Re: pte_pagenr/MAP_NR deleted in pre6

2000-09-07 Thread Ralf Baechle
On Thu, Aug 17, 2000 at 12:41:52PM -0700, David S. Miller wrote: > ISA is a dead hardware technology and therefore how it works is pretty > much fixed in stone. > > Perhaps some older MIPS machines supporting ISA could benefit from > an API similar to the PCI dma stuff, as Alan mentioned. But

Re: pte_pagenr/MAP_NR deleted in pre6

2000-09-07 Thread Ralf Baechle
On Thu, Aug 17, 2000 at 12:36:51PM -0700, Kanoj Sarcar wrote: > >Except for the x86 36bit abortion do we need a long long paddr_t on any > >32bit platform ? > > > > Sparc32, mips32... > > > > Not for Indys on mips32. Is there a mips32 port on another machine > (currently in Linux, or

Linux-2.4.0-test8/pre6 OOPS take 2

2000-09-07 Thread Sheldon Easterbrook
Hi, Here is another set of output from ksymoops as advised. Thanks, Sheldon. ksymoops 2.3.4 on i686 2.4.0-test8. Options used -V (default) -k /proc/ksyms (default) -l /proc/modules (default) -o /lib/modules/2.4.0-test8/ (default) -m /boot/System.map-2.4.0-test8

Re: spin_lock forgets to clobber memory and other smp fixes [was

2000-09-07 Thread Andrea Arcangeli
On Thu, 7 Sep 2000, Richard Henderson wrote: >Perhaps. But that's not to say no future compiler won't. I sure agree. That was my original concern w/o looking/knowing how smart the current compiler was infact. Andrea - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in

Re: linux kernel TCP, network connections and iptables

2000-09-07 Thread lamont
On Thu, 7 Sep 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hello! > > I believe that the DoS is that the path through the kernel turns out to be > > long and that a lot of these packets will bring a machine to its knees. > > It is not longer than path for any other kind of packet. > In the reported case it

Re: Weirdness in block device queues.

2000-09-07 Thread Andrea Arcangeli
Eric, sorry for the late reply. On Thu, 7 Sep 2000, Eric Youngdale wrote: >The oddness is this. We were observing stalls in the processing of >commands that was traced to the fact that the queue had remained plugged >for an excessive amount of time. The stalls last for about 5 seconds or

Re: 2.2.18pre2aa2 and patches for 2.2.18pre3

2000-09-07 Thread Matthew Hawkins
On 2000-09-07 22:39:55 +0100, Alan Cox wrote: > > Andrea VM patches will be included in 2.2.18. > > We'll see Something between bigmem and his big VM changes makes reiserfs uncompilable. I stay with the stock VM and its only under significant load that it falls over and starts messing with

Re: modules_install?

2000-09-07 Thread Juan J. Quintela
> "keith" == Keith Owens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi keith> Agreed, and the kbuild team is already looking at a complete Makefile keith> redesign for kernel 2.5. The latest makefile wishlist is in keith> ftp://ftp.ocs.com.au/pub/makefile-wishlist-2.5-3.gz, all sensible keith> comments

Re: modules_install?

2000-09-07 Thread mberglund
On Thu, 7 Sep 2000, Horst von Brand wrote: > > range.) What's the point in making processors faster if everyone just > > wastes the increase being "correct and simple"? > > Because people-time is much more expensive than computer-time this days? > [BTW, shaving off a few miliseconds in loading

Re: spin_lock forgets to clobber memory and other smp fixes [was

2000-09-07 Thread Richard Henderson
On Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 12:34:24AM +0200, Andrea Arcangeli wrote: > >No it's not. We know how big the dummy_lock structure is, and > >so might "know" that it doesn't overlap with something else. > > I guess Alexey point is that the current compiler doesn't notice that. Perhaps. But that's not

Re: 2.4.0-test8/pre6 OOPS on load of sb.o

2000-09-07 Thread Keith Owens
On Fri, 8 Sep 2000 10:15:13 +0930, "Sheldon Easterbrook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I'm still getting this, except I've changed from RedHat 6.2 to Debian 2.2. >Sep 8 08:50:36 Defiant kernel: EIP:= >0010:[fat:__insmod_fat_S.bss_L2240+26305/51066103]=0A= Please do not use quoted-printable

Re: [PATCH] change ifmap.base_addr to u_long type

2000-09-07 Thread Jun Sun
"David S. Miller" wrote: > >Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 17:35:22 -0700 >From: Jun Sun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Do we know exactly what userland apps/libs use ifmap? Maybe the >damage is not so bad, so that we can fix this problem without >making it look worse. > > It's a well

Re: Multiple Keyboards in 2.2/2.4?

2000-09-07 Thread James Simmons
> Im using 2.2.18pre with XFree 4.0 , AGP, DRM and a USB keyboard and mouse. > It all works. One keyboard not multiple tho. > > They dont seem to support the automatic change of keyboard mapping with the > USB events though I see they use their own drives and don't use the /dev/event interface

2.4.0-test8/pre6 OOPS on load of sb.o

2000-09-07 Thread Sheldon Easterbrook
Hi, I'm still getting this, except I've changed from RedHat 6.2 to Debian 2.2. Cheers, Sheldon. PS I am not on the list. ksymoops 2.3.4 on i686 2.4.0-test8. Options used -V (default) -k /proc/ksyms (default) -l /proc/modules (default) -o /lib/modules/2.4.0-test8/

Re: Multiple Keyboards in 2.2/2.4?

2000-09-07 Thread James Simmons
> Points taken. Given that I withdraw the need for console support and / or > used two seperate video cards, does it make it more feasible? IMNSHO X servers should move as far away from dependency on /dev/ttyX as it can do. The X server should use /dev/event, /dev/fb, and /dev/drm. You can't

Re: support for 2 Promise 66 Ultra cards

2000-09-07 Thread Jeff Nguyen
Cody, The 2.2.x kernel with Andre UDMA patch can support up to 4 Promises cards. If the onboard IDE is disabled, then you can have 5 Promises cards. Jeff ASL Inc. At 06:09 PM 9/7/00 -0600, Aryeh \"Cody\" Sherr wrote: > >Will the 2.2 kernel support 2 Promise 66 Ultra cards? The UDMA faq

Re: [PATCH] change ifmap.base_addr to u_long type

2000-09-07 Thread David S. Miller
Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 17:35:22 -0700 From: Jun Sun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Do we know exactly what userland apps/libs use ifmap? Maybe the damage is not so bad, so that we can fix this problem without making it look worse. It's a well established fixed kernel API, any app

Re: [PATCH] change ifmap.base_addr to u_long type

2000-09-07 Thread Jun Sun
"David S. Miller" wrote: > >Date:Thu, 07 Sep 2000 14:36:02 -0700 >From: Jun Sun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Here is a small patch which is needed on non-i386 platforms. > > The layout of this structure is exported to userspace > applications, thus you cannot simply just change

Re: 2.4.0-test8-pre1 is quite bad / how about integrating Rik's VM

2000-09-07 Thread Keith Owens
On Thu, 7 Sep 2000 19:14:26 -0500, Michael Elizabeth Chastain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Yeah. Long transition, plus user education (which never works, dontcha >> know), plus probably a helper tool akin to checkconfig. > >I think it would help to have a well documented "module writers kit".

Re: modules_install?

2000-09-07 Thread Keith Owens
On Thu, 7 Sep 2000 18:58:01 -0400 (EDT), Ricky Beam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >What you point at and what's in the kernel tree still isn't complete. And >it's still a load of hackish crap. Rules.make is still an enormous pile >of goo -- highly condition and hard to follow. (Not that it's ever

Re: test8-pre6 file corruption and oops

2000-09-07 Thread Keith Owens
On 08 Sep 2000 01:40:55 +0200, "Juan J. Quintela" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> "kenneth" == Kenneth Johansson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >hi > >I only can guess that you are using a wrong System.map for >doing the ksymoops. __mon_yday is an array, not a function, >

Re: 2.4.0-test8-pre1 is quite bad / how about integrating Rik's VM

2000-09-07 Thread Michael Elizabeth Chastain
> Yeah. Long transition, plus user education (which never works, dontcha > know), plus probably a helper tool akin to checkconfig. I think it would help to have a well documented "module writers kit". (Maybe there is one and I'm not aware of it). mec> I'm all in favor of 'if ( CONFIG_BAR )',

Re: modules_install?

2000-09-07 Thread Keith Owens
On Thu, 7 Sep 2000 16:22:10 -0400 (EDT), Ricky Beam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Thu, 7 Sep 2000, Michael Elizabeth Chastain wrote: >>Oh? That would be a bug. Which modules does it fail to see? > >ALL of them. Everything is under subdirs of kernel which depmod isn't >scanning. (pcmcia is

support for 2 Promise 66 Ultra cards

2000-09-07 Thread Aryeh \"Cody\" Sherr
Will the 2.2 kernel support 2 Promise 66 Ultra cards? The UDMA faq states that 2 33 Ultra cards will not work. Is this still true for the 2.2.12 kernel? Will the 2.4 support 2 cards? Thanks for your time, Cody Sherr [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line

Re: linux kernel TCP, network connections and iptables

2000-09-07 Thread George Athanassopoulos
On Fri, 8 Sep 2000, Andi Kleen wrote: :If Linux stopped sending ACKs for out of order packets your machine would :be pretty much unusable over lossy links (because fast retransmit would :not work properly anymore) But that of course can be used :to cause your machine to send at least an

Re: 2.4.0-test8-pre1 is quite bad / how about integrating Rik's VM

2000-09-07 Thread Peter Samuelson
[mec] > In the .config file, the problem is that the Makefiles source .config > and then do a lot of "ifdef CONFIG_FOO" tests. There are about 300 > instances of this in 2.4.0-test-7. Separate issue. We're not talking about emitting n symbols to .config, or at least I'm not. In this thread.

Re: test8-pre6 file corruption and oops

2000-09-07 Thread Juan J. Quintela
> "kenneth" == Kenneth Johansson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: hi I only can guess that you are using a wrong System.map for doing the ksymoops. __mon_yday is an array, not a function, the backtrace don't make sense. Later, Juan "waiting for a nice backtrace" :)))

RE: Scalability Efforts

2000-09-07 Thread Marty Fouts
I don't know. It may well be that by the time Linux is seriously in contention for cc-NUMA, the number of architectures will be seriously reduced, in much the same way that the number of architectures for general purpose computers got shook out in the '80s and '90s. In that case, my dire warning

Re: linux kernel TCP, network connections and iptables

2000-09-07 Thread Andi Kleen
On Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 02:18:22AM +0300, George Athanassopoulos wrote: > On Fri, 8 Sep 2000, Andi Kleen wrote: > > :I forgot to add: Alexey is of course right in that it doesn't help you > :at all. You cannot defend against packet floods, and with an active TCP > :you can be always tricked into

Re: linux kernel TCP, network connections and iptables

2000-09-07 Thread George Athanassopoulos
On Fri, 8 Sep 2000, Andi Kleen wrote: :I forgot to add: Alexey is of course right in that it doesn't help you :at all. You cannot defend against packet floods, and with an active TCP :you can be always tricked into bouncing packets without load limit :(e.g. just by sending out of order packets

*snigger*

2000-09-07 Thread CaT
http://www.bbspot.com/News/2000/9/linux_laid.html -- CaT ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 'He had position, but I was determined to score.' -- Worf, DS9, Season 5: 'Let He Who Is Without Sin...' - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of

Re: Error in fs/nls/Config.in in 2.2.18-pre3

2000-09-07 Thread Marcelo Tosatti
On Fri, 8 Sep 2000, Urban Widmark wrote: > On Thu, 7 Sep 2000, Marcelo Tosatti wrote: > > > oldconfig always ask about CONFIG_SMB_NLS_REMOTE in case it > > was set CONFIG_SMB_NLS_REMOTE="" in the previous config. > > > > This is expected? > > It's certainly annoying, especially for people

Re: modules_install?

2000-09-07 Thread Michael Elizabeth Chastain
> And how much did RedHat pay you to do it? Legitimate question. Answer: zero. I wrote it long before I started working for Red Hat. > Oh, I know more than you think I do. No, judging by your posts, you don't. Michael - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe

Re: PCMCIA: 3CCFE575CT initialization probem under 2.4.0-test7

2000-09-07 Thread David Hinds
On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 04:47:42PM -0600, Richard Gooch wrote: > Can someone post why this has broken and why a fix is (I presume) > difficult? I'll have to look at this myself if no-one else fixes it by > the time the other issues are fixed :-( In the old CardBus API, when a new CardBus card

Re: [RFC] Wine speedup through kernel module

2000-09-07 Thread Linus Torvalds
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, David Howells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >I've done an implementation of some of the Win32 "system calls" in a kernel >module in an attempt to speed up Wine. Hmm.. I have this feeling that it would be much nicer to just implement the NT system calls directly.

[PATCH]: minor bug at schedule()

2000-09-07 Thread Juan J. Quintela
Hi I have found that we run botton handlers (in schedule()) when we are in the middle of an interrupt. I think that is illegal, and moved the test to the beginning of the function. In the case that the running of the bottom handlers before the test is on purpose, could somebody put a

Re: modules_install?

2000-09-07 Thread Ricky Beam
On Thu, 7 Sep 2000, Michael Elizabeth Chastain wrote: >> However, NO ONE has taken the time (I'm talking weeks of doing nothing >> but screwing with Makefiles) to completely rewrite the build system. > >I have done exactly that. And how much did RedHat pay you to do it? >And I gave you the URL.

Re: [OT] Re: Availability of kdb

2000-09-07 Thread Michal Jaegermann
Jamie Lokier wrote: > World Domination is my hobby too :-) Now, that is THE T-shirt! What should be added? A flock of penguins in an attack mode. :-) --mj - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the

Re: PCMCIA: 3CCFE575CT initialization probem under 2.4.0-test7

2000-09-07 Thread Richard Gooch
Andrew Morton writes: > "Claude LeFrancois (LMC)" wrote: > > > > Thanks for the info. I can run the script manually to get the NIC on the > > network. But, by the mean time before a permanent fix, would it be a good > > idea to apply the change I did to allow at least correct initilization for >

Re: spin_lock forgets to clobber memory and other smp fixes [was

2000-09-07 Thread Andrea Arcangeli
On Thu, 7 Sep 2000, Richard Henderson wrote: >No it's not. We know how big the dummy_lock structure is, and >so might "know" that it doesn't overlap with something else. I guess Alexey point is that the current compiler doesn't notice that. Andrea - To unsubscribe from this list: send the

Re: Error in fs/nls/Config.in in 2.2.18-pre3

2000-09-07 Thread Urban Widmark
On Thu, 7 Sep 2000, Marcelo Tosatti wrote: > oldconfig always ask about CONFIG_SMB_NLS_REMOTE in case it > was set CONFIG_SMB_NLS_REMOTE="" in the previous config. > > This is expected? It's certainly annoying, especially for people building packages (At least the rpms specs I have looked

Re: PCMCIA: 3CCFE575CT initialization probem under 2.4.0-test7

2000-09-07 Thread Andrew Morton
"Claude LeFrancois (LMC)" wrote: > > Thanks for the info. I can run the script manually to get the NIC on the > network. But, by the mean time before a permanent fix, would it be a good > idea to apply the change I did to allow at least correct initilization for > eth0 ? Hi, Claude. Your

Re: linux kernel TCP, network connections and iptables

2000-09-07 Thread Andi Kleen
On Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 12:21:40AM +0200, Andi Kleen wrote: > You do not even need patches for it. You can do it as well with a TBF > filter in the qdisc and a u32 filter that selects RSTs (it is even a > standard example in iproute2) > > Another way that may work is to set the send buffer of

2.2.17's VM makes processes do their joba faster - sometimes

2000-09-07 Thread Marc Mutz
Hi out there! I was really impressed when I first started to copy 1000 mails from my linux-kernel mail folder to the archive/linux-kernel folder in netscape. While under 2.2.16 it you could count the along with the first dozen messages being transferred, 2.2.17 lets netscape do a jump start and

Re: linux kernel TCP, network connections and iptables

2000-09-07 Thread Andi Kleen
On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 10:51:50PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote: > static unsigned long last_time; > > if(jiffies-last_time < HZ/10) > return; > last_time = jiffies; > > which will then limit to one RST per 10th sec You do not even need patches for it. You can do it as

Re: Multiple Keyboards in 2.2/2.4?

2000-09-07 Thread Alan Cox
> XFree86 can use multiple keybaords. I don't think XF4.0 still supports USB > keyboards. Give them another 6 months or a year. By then they should Im using 2.2.18pre with XFree 4.0 , AGP, DRM and a USB keyboard and mouse. It all works. One keyboard not multiple tho. They dont seem to support

Re: 2.4.0-test8-pre1 is quite bad / how about integrating Rik's VM

2000-09-07 Thread Michael Elizabeth Chastain
In the .config file, the problem is that the Makefiles source .config and then do a lot of "ifdef CONFIG_FOO" tests. There are about 300 instances of this in 2.4.0-test-7. In include/linux/autoconf.h, the problem is in the *.c (and *.h and *.S) files that do a lot of "#ifdef CONFIG_BAR" and

Re: Is it OK to release non-GPL network driver with source?

2000-09-07 Thread Linus Torvalds
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Dave Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >My company is currently working on a linux network driver (I'm sorry, >but I can't disclose which company or the nature of the driver right >now). However, recent discussions on this list have made me grow >concerned about

Re: linux kernel TCP, network connections and iptables

2000-09-07 Thread Alan Cox
> should we just eat it and shut up (because that's the way TCP works and it > will not change)? It is part of the protocol requirement > I haven't used iptables yet but I think they can handle packets with various > bits sets (including RST), unlike ipfw. But, is there any way with

Re: [PATCH] change ifmap.base_addr to u_long type

2000-09-07 Thread David S. Miller
Date:Thu, 07 Sep 2000 14:36:02 -0700 From: Jun Sun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Here is a small patch which is needed on non-i386 platforms. The layout of this structure is exported to userspace applications, thus you cannot simply just change the type in this structure to get the

Re: [PATCH] change ifmap.base_addr to u_long type

2000-09-07 Thread Alan Cox
> Here is a small patch which is needed on non-i386 platforms. Which is wrong > ifmap.base_addr is mainly used to initialize net_device base_addr, which > is already a u_long. > > This change does not increase the memory size for struct ifmap. But does change the field offsets > In the same

2.4.0-test7, and filemap_write_page...

2000-09-07 Thread Petr Vandrovec
Hi, I already asked this about week ago... But today I was informed that [EMAIL PROTECTED] received oopses below too. It really looks like that vmmon does something wrong, but I cannot find anything. Does anybody here have any idea how could happen that there is page which has page->mapping

Re: 2.2.18pre2aa2 and patches for 2.2.18pre3

2000-09-07 Thread Alan Cox
> Andrea VM patches will be included in 2.2.18. We'll see > They are not included yet because Alan does not want two untested changes > together in the same kernel (2.2.18pre3 has ext2 patches). Right now I dont want to mix VM changes with the ext2 fixups and the large amount of driver work.

Re: Kernel Debugging Documentation

2000-09-07 Thread Matt D. Robinson
Andrea Arcangeli wrote: > > Back in May I wrote a quite estensive documentation about all the > possible/best ways to debug the Linux Kernel for a talk/tranining that I > did in San Jose in May. I find now the time to clean it up and to upload > since I think it could result useful to everybody

Re: linux kernel TCP, network connections and iptables

2000-09-07 Thread George Athanassopoulos
On Thu, 7 Sep 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :By any _formal_ criteria there is no DoS here. You reply with one packet :to each incoming packet and do not hold any state. Where is DoS? Maybe I did not make clear where the DoS is. Well my machine DOES NOT hang. But the NIC is busy replying

RE: Scalability Efforts

2000-09-07 Thread Jesse Noller
But would it be possible to apply a sort of "Linux Server Tuning Best Practices" method to items not unlike NUMA, but more specific to say, webserver and file serving? (this is a project i am working on, finding kernel and apache tuning guidelines for maximum File/Web serving speed w/ the 2.4

[PATCH] change ifmap.base_addr to u_long type

2000-09-07 Thread Jun Sun
Linus, Here is a small patch which is needed on non-i386 platforms. base_addr in ifmap allows one to specify as a kernel boot argument the base io addr of the net device. It is currently defined as u_short. However, on a non-i386 platforms, this addr can be greater than what u_short can

test8-pre6 file corruption and oops

2000-09-07 Thread Kenneth Johansson
I get this on only one of my machines but it's probably not that stange as they really don't have much in common other than being i386 compatible. Could old errors on the filesystem produce this error?? I have only run fsck under t8p6. The last one is incomplete but the kernel had inserted part

RE: Scalability Efforts

2000-09-07 Thread Marty Fouts
FWIW, large system scalability, especially NUMA is not tractable with a 'one size (algorithm) fits all' approach, and can be a significant test of the degree of modularity in your system. Different relative costs of access to the different levels of the memory hierarchy and different models of

Re: Error in fs/nls/Config.in in 2.2.18-pre3

2000-09-07 Thread Marcelo Tosatti
On Thu, 7 Sep 2000, Urban Widmark wrote: > On Thu, 7 Sep 2000, G. Hugh Song wrote: > > > if [ "$CONFIG_JOLIET" = "y" -o "$CONFIG_FAT_FS" != "n" \ > > -o "$CONFIG_NTFS_FS" != "n" -o "$CONFIG_NCPFS_NLS" = "y" \ > > -o "$CONFIG_SMB_FS" != n ]; then > > n vs "n" is my error. > >

Re: Is it OK to release non-GPL network driver with source?

2000-09-07 Thread Alan Cox
> If indeed this is a violation of the GPL, is there any way around this > by releasing only the source code (even though it isn't GPL'd)? I > mean, the compiled binary code does contain GPL'd code, but the source > code does not. Is it OK to distribute this? > > So, I'm asking the experts

Re: spin_lock forgets to clobber memory and other smp fixes [was

2000-09-07 Thread Richard Henderson
On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 09:51:26PM +0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > dummy_lock trick is equivalent to "memory" clobber. No it's not. We know how big the dummy_lock structure is, and so might "know" that it doesn't overlap with something else. r~ - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line

Re: modules_install?

2000-09-07 Thread Michael Elizabeth Chastain
> However, NO ONE has taken the time (I'm talking weeks of doing nothing > but screwing with Makefiles) to completely rewrite the build system. I have done exactly that. And I gave you the URL. You want to read it, or you want to keep whining that "NO ONE" is doing the work I am pointing you

Re: Weirdness in block device queues.

2000-09-07 Thread Jens Axboe
On Thu, Sep 07 2000, Jens Axboe wrote: > request_queue_t *q = blk_get_queue(dev); > generic_unplug_device(q); > > And that would be it. This is already exported and I use it in a Aghr, it's exported in my tree only I see... Oh well, as I wrote I don't see any harm in actually

Re: 2.2.18pre2aa2 and patches for 2.2.18pre3

2000-09-07 Thread Marcelo Tosatti
On Thu, 7 Sep 2000, Matthew Hawkins wrote: > > I'd like to advocate the inclusion of the majority of these patches of > Andrea's. I've been patching most of them in for a while now simply > because I've found my SMP system much more stable and useable. Andrea VM patches will be included in

Re: modules_install?

2000-09-07 Thread Horst von Brand
Ricky Beam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: [...] > It's attitudes like that that have made Microsoft products a laughing stock. > A millisecond here and there adds up over time. In case you've forgotten, > Linux _used_ to run very well on 386 and 486 systems (in the 25 to 50 MHz > range.) What's

Re: Linux-2.4.0-test8-pre6

2000-09-07 Thread Bill Wendling
Also sprach dean gaudet: } On Thu, 7 Sep 2000, Bill Wendling wrote: } > Don't be stupid. } } dude, i gave at least three hints that i was joking up there. stupid } would be if i claimed that it was obvious that a debugger would have } helped this situation. instead all i'm claiming is that

Re: 3ware controllers and fatal failure mode design decision

2000-09-07 Thread Andre Hedrick
On Thu, 7 Sep 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > He did claim that a change is in the works, that I assume may > address my concerns. Yes there is and the suggested on by me was to pickup the mirror and jbox the extra capacity. Thus the rebuild uses part of the larger drive and the remainder

Re: modules_install?

2000-09-07 Thread Ricky Beam
On Thu, 7 Sep 2000, Michael Elizabeth Chastain wrote: >> Well, there's butt-loads of ugly Makefile shit all over the place. It >> isn't going away. > >Some of it went away when Keith Owens rewrote modules-install. Some, but not all. Some of the things necessary/desired for the kernel build

Re: Weirdness in block device queues.

2000-09-07 Thread Eric Youngdale
> It is. Not unplugging the queue results in higher throughput > when running a benchmark load, but seems to really harm > system throughput (and cause stalls) in /real/ loads. > > This is most likely due to the fact that in most real life > loads we have to write data and metadata all over the

Re: Linux/MANOS Kernel Debugger

2000-09-07 Thread Jeff V. Merkey
Bryan Sparks at Lineo has given TRG an unlimited distribution license for DR-DOS which is what we will provide for the DOS loadable versions of MANOS freely from our website. Lineo also distributes free DR-DOS. At present, I am putting the MANOS debugger into Linux proper without DOS but ext2

Re: Kernel Debugging Documentation

2000-09-07 Thread Jeff V. Merkey
nd to upload > since I think it could result useful to everybody dealing with kernel > developement. > > >ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/people/andrea/talks/english/2000/kdebug-may-2000-2907.tar.gz > > It addresses > MCORE/LKCD/KDB/KGDB/NMI-watchdog/TRACER/IKD/PRINT

Kernel Debugging Documentation

2000-09-07 Thread Andrea Arcangeli
. ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/people/andrea/talks/english/2000/kdebug-may-2000-2907.tar.gz It addresses MCORE/LKCD/KDB/KGDB/NMI-watchdog/TRACER/IKD/PRINTK/BUG/OOPS/KMSGDUMP and many other issues (simptom/realbug as well). They were the digital slides for the talk, so while writing them I

Re: Scalability Efforts

2000-09-07 Thread Marcelo Tosatti
On Thu, 7 Sep 2000, Henry Worth wrote: > > With all the talk of improving Linux's scalability to > large-scale SMP and ccNUMA platforms -- including efforts > at several HW companies and now OSDL forming to throw > hardware at the effort -- is there any move afoot to > coordinate these

Re: [lkml]Re: Linux/MANOS Kernel Debugger

2000-09-07 Thread thunder7
On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 03:23:07PM -0400, Admin Mailing Lists wrote: > > On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Jeff V. Merkey wrote: > > > > > Actually, the solution I think would be to use the MSDOS loader to boot > > linux. I will look at grabbing the ELF code in Linux and loading Linux > > from MSDOS -- if

Re: Linux/MANOS Kernel Debugger

2000-09-07 Thread Admin Mailing Lists
On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Jeff V. Merkey wrote: > > Actually, the solution I think would be to use the MSDOS loader to boot > linux. I will look at grabbing the ELF code in Linux and loading Linux > from MSDOS -- if this can be accomplished you're there -- with an added > benfit. When I am

Re: who maintains linux 4 the powerpc

2000-09-07 Thread Cort Dougan
} Can somebody please tell me, who is currently maintaining } arch/ppc? } } The link } } http://www.ppc.kernel.org/ } } in the MAINTAINERS file is dead. } } Regards, Till It's unmaintained right now. The www.ppc.kernel.org site is gone. Take a look at www.fsmlabs.com/linuxppcbk.html for the

Q: sock output serialization

2000-09-07 Thread Henner Eisen
Hi, Is the following fix clean or are there better solutions? There is a race condition in the Linux X.25 protocol stack. The stack has an x25_kick() function which dequeues as many skb´s from sk->write_queue as the send windows allows and sends them downwards. This kick function is called

Re: Weirdness in block device queues.

2000-09-07 Thread Rik van Riel
On Thu, 7 Sep 2000, Eric Youngdale wrote: > The oddness is this. We were observing stalls in the > processing of commands that was traced to the fact that the > queue had remained plugged for an excessive amount of time. > The stalls last for about 5 seconds or so. Which is the default

who maintains linux 4 the powerpc

2000-09-07 Thread Till Straumann
Can somebody please tell me, who is currently maintaining arch/ppc? The link http://www.ppc.kernel.org/ in the MAINTAINERS file is dead. Regards, Till (Please CC me, I'm not on this list) - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to

Re: Scalability Efforts

2000-09-07 Thread Peter Rival
Rik van Riel wrote: > On Thu, 7 Sep 2000, Henry Worth wrote: > > > > Or is it all, whatever there may be of it, taking > > place offline? > > Most of the times I've talked about this topic it > was in person with other developers at various > conferences. > Ugh, no wonder I never see this.

RE: PCMCIA: 3CCFE575CT initialization probem under 2.4.0-test7

2000-09-07 Thread Claude LeFrancois (LMC)
Thanks for the info. I can run the script manually to get the NIC on the network. But, by the mean time before a permanent fix, would it be a good idea to apply the change I did to allow at least correct initilization for eth0 ? Claude. > -Original Message- > From: David Hinds

Re: Is a process with a priority of 0 legal ?

2000-09-07 Thread Rik van Riel
On Thu, 7 Sep 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > If the weight & priority of all runnable processes is 0 then the > recalculate with recalculate p->counter=0 for all runnable > processes, & the code will go into a tight loop between the > goodness calculation & recalculate. p->priority can never

Re: Question: slow network performance between Linux and Solaris 7

2000-09-07 Thread Jack Duan
HI all, Thanks for all the help. I have switched to a low-end 16-bit PCMCIA network card by 3COM 3C589 10/BT. And now everything works as it should. Before making this change, I thought that my problem was caused by the TCP/IP layer -- between Linux and Sun, because I could get good network

Re: modules_install?

2000-09-07 Thread Michael Elizabeth Chastain
> Well, there's butt-loads of ugly Makefile shit all over the place. It > isn't going away. Some of it went away when Keith Owens rewrote modules-install. More of it went away between 2.2 and 2.4. Check out drivers/net/Makefile or drivers/scsi/Makefile or lots of other Makefiles, for

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Re: What the Heck? [Fwd: Returned mail: User unknown]

2000-09-07 Thread Steve VanDevender
Igmar Palsenberg writes: > > Ugh. What rubbish. > > > > The moment I detect my provider changing anything beyond a TTL is the > > moment I find a new provider. > > The 'problem' is a bunch of stupid American politics (excuse anyone > American), than passed a law that all spam containing

Re: Linux-2.4.0-test8-pre6

2000-09-07 Thread dean gaudet
On Thu, 7 Sep 2000, Bill Wendling wrote: > Also sprach dean gaudet: > } On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Linus Torvalds wrote: > } > } > Yeah. Maybe we fixed truncate, and maybe we didn't. I've thought that we > } > fixed it now several times, and I was always wrong. > } > } obpainintheass: haven't you

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