Crash Recovery Kit for Linux 2.4.19 (Stable)

2002-11-19 Thread m.w.chang
Crash Recovery Kit for Linux 2.4.19 (Stable) http://freshmeat.net/projects/crk/ how would you test this kit? -- .~.Swiftly. Silently. Invisibly. In Linux we trust. / v \ http://www.linux-sxs.org /( _ )\ Linux 2.4.19 ^ ^7:45pm up 16 days, 5:56, 1 user, load average: 1.00, 1.00,

Re: ext2fs and security settings

2002-11-19 Thread m.w.chang
again, not when I am new to linux. do you know how intimidating for a newbie when they see doors and doors of obstacles to setup a simple home server behind a hardware firewall+router? Most newbies are not ready for the hussles at the *Very* beginning. More research into viruses, trojans and

Re: DVD/CD RW and Linux

2002-11-19 Thread Anita Lewis
On Wed, 13 Nov 2002 19:39:07 -0500 (EST), Net Llama! wrote: I think this might answer your question:

Re: New Step

2002-11-19 Thread Tim Wunder
On 11/18/2002 10:01 PM, someone claiming to be Nobody wrote: Thanks to Net Llama! we now have a Step on Playing all Quicktime movies natively in Linux. You may find this step at http://www.linux-sxs.org/qt_MPlayer.html ___ Linux-users mailing list

vi error !! ??

2002-11-19 Thread Ken Moffat
When I edit a file using vi in a terminal, I get the following error on quitting: viminfo: Illegal starting char in line: þÿu^P~KE^XÇ viminfo: Illegal starting char in line: j viminfo: Illegal starting char in line: ,ÿp^P~KD^@ viminfo: Illegal starting char in line: ,ÿp^TWè³Çÿÿ~IÇÆ^G viminfo:

sco linux 4.0 released today

2002-11-19 Thread dep
http://www.linuxandmain.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=287 -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: vi error !! ??

2002-11-19 Thread Jim Bonnet
Ken Moffat wrote: When I edit a file using vi in a terminal, I get the following error on quitting: viminfo: Illegal starting char in line: þÿu^P~KE^XÇ viminfo: Illegal starting char in line: j viminfo: Illegal starting char in line: ,ÿp^P~KD^@ viminfo: Illegal starting char in line:

Re: ext2fs and security settings

2002-11-19 Thread Net Llama!
On Tue, 19 Nov 2002, m.w.chang wrote: It's another chicken and egg question. One thing I know: I am not making money out of selling security. :) There's no chicken egg about it. You either learn security from the start, or you don't. M$ isn't making money from security either. Funny how

Re: New Step

2002-11-19 Thread Net Llama!
On Tue, 19 Nov 2002, Tim Wunder wrote: On 11/18/2002 10:01 PM, someone claiming to be Nobody wrote: Thanks to Net Llama! we now have a Step on Playing all Quicktime movies natively in Linux. You may find this step at http://www.linux-sxs.org/qt_MPlayer.html

Re: ext2fs and security settings

2002-11-19 Thread Net Llama!
On Tue, 19 Nov 2002, m.w.chang wrote: when I want to use the security system, I would surely appreciate that. but at some point in learning linux, just like your life, you wouldn't want to be distracted by security measures. Filesystem security is a part of Linux. If you're not learning about

Re: ext2fs and security settings

2002-11-19 Thread Net Llama!
On Tue, 19 Nov 2002, m.w.chang wrote: again, not when I am new to linux. do you know how intimidating for a newbie when they see doors and doors of obstacles to setup a simple home server behind a hardware firewall+router? Most newbies are not ready for the hussles at the *Very* beginning.

Re: DVD/CD RW and Linux

2002-11-19 Thread Net Llama!
On Tue, 19 Nov 2002, Anita Lewis wrote: On Wed, 13 Nov 2002 19:39:07 -0500 (EST), Net Llama! wrote: I think this might answer your question:

Re: ext2fs and security settings

2002-11-19 Thread Myles Green
I think you are missing the point MW, learning Linux without the security features would be like learning to operate an automobile without learning the traffic regulations - you get from point A to point B but cause many problems for others along the way. Look at it this way - if YOU don't

Re: ext2fs and security settings

2002-11-19 Thread kwall
On Tue, Nov 19, 2002 at 11:23:28AM +0800, m.w.chang wrote: sorry, i just want to avoid the hussles related to file system access control (FSAC) or security when learning linux as starters. out of my linux learning experience, many times, I was hinderd by all these security things.

Re: ext2fs and security settings

2002-11-19 Thread Robert Black Eagle
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 19 November 2002 5:50 am, m.w.chang wrote: again, not when I am new to linux. do you know how intimidating for a newbie when they see doors and doors of obstacles to setup a simple home server behind a hardware firewall+router? Most

Re: everything is dumping core!

2002-11-19 Thread David A. Bandel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:40:02 -0500 (EST) begin Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] spewed forth: Ok, not everything, but everything that I compile immediately dumps core when i attempt to run it. How would i go about troubleshooting this? start w/ a

everything is dumping core!

2002-11-19 Thread Net Llama!
Ok, not everything, but everything that I compile immediately dumps core when i attempt to run it. How would i go about troubleshooting this? -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux

Re: education and security

2002-11-19 Thread m.w.chang
I think our discussion will soon become: education and security :) -- Swiftly. Silently. Invisibly. .~. In Linux we trust. / v \ news://news.hkpcug.org /( _ )\ http://www.linux-sxs.org ^ ^

Re: everything is dumping core!

2002-11-19 Thread m.w.chang
great! you got a test case for the linux crash recovery kit. mirror your disk now.. :) Net Llama! wrote: Ok, not everything, but everything that I compile immediately dumps core when i attempt to run it. How would i go about troubleshooting this? -- Swiftly. Silently. Invisibly. .~. In

Re: ext2fs and security settings

2002-11-19 Thread m.w.chang
agree. if these guys had gone through the days of DOS, I believe they would be better users. I suspected that some users didn't even know how to spell their name in english alphabets. :) Then they should stick with M$ products. Linux doesn't have training wheels. -- Swiftly. Silently.

Re: ext2fs and security settings

2002-11-19 Thread m.w.chang
sir, I want the house, not the lock. I beg your pardon. I am/was not looking for a job on linux security. when I want to use the security system, I would surely appreciate that. but at some point in learning linux, just like your life, you wouldn't Nonsense. That's akin to saying that a first

Re: ext2fs and security settings

2002-11-19 Thread m.w.chang
I am sorry, at this stage, I prefer to learn the programming and coding that *created* security. I don't learn security because of security, general. :) When I could control security by proper programming and coding, I got secuity automagically. There's no chicken egg about it. You either

Re: ext2fs and security settings

2002-11-19 Thread m.w.chang
fine. yes. agree, but I still want a demilitarized linux. I will join the army later. :) Filesystem security is a part of Linux. If you're not learning about it, then you're nor learning Linux. Period. -- Swiftly. Silently. Invisibly. .~. In Linux we trust.

Re: ext2fs and security settings

2002-11-19 Thread m.w.chang
to put it in an even more simple, if not ulgy way, execuse me, learning linux with security = having sex in front of a police officer and a doctor. Myles Green wrote: I think you are missing the point MW, learning Linux without the security features would be like learning to operate an

Re: ext2fs and security settings

2002-11-19 Thread Andrew Mathews
m.w.chang wrote: when I want to use the security system, I would surely appreciate that. but at some point in learning linux, just like your life, you wouldn't want to be distracted by security measures. snip Nonsense. That's akin to saying that a first time homeowner shouldn't have to deal

Re: ext2fs and security settings

2002-11-19 Thread Net Llama!
On 11/19/02 15:38, Ben Duncan wrote: Some VERY Simple rules. Turn off ALL network Services not needed to run the system (this is done in the inetd.conf file). Cancel, trash or otherwise do away with daemon That's not entirely true. In fact, its completely untrue on some systems. Only inetd

Re: everything is dumping core!

2002-11-19 Thread Net Llama!
On 11/19/02 13:54, David A. Bandel wrote: On Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:43:18 -0500 (EST) begin Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] spewed forth: [snip] rt_sigaction(SIGRTMIN,{0x403e8470, [], 0x400}, NULL, 8) = 0 rt_sigaction(SIGRT_1,{0x403e75f0, [], 0x400}, NULL, 8) = 0

Re: ext2fs and security settings

2002-11-19 Thread Ben Duncan
Some VERY Simple rules. Turn off ALL network Services not needed to run the system (this is done in the inetd.conf file). Cancel, trash or otherwise do away with daemon process you DO NOT need. With the FEW remaining services in networking - run them thru wrappers. From there on, build the

Re: sco linux 4.0 released today

2002-11-19 Thread m.w.chang
hmm.. no frontpage news in http://www.sco.com :) dep wrote: http://www.linuxandmain.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=287 -- .~.Swiftly. Silently. Invisibly. In Linux we trust. / v \ http://www.linux-sxs.org /( _ )\ Linux 2.4.19 ^ ^6:45am up 16 days, 16:56, 1 user, load

Re: everything is dumping core!

2002-11-19 Thread Net Llama!
On Tue, 19 Nov 2002, Jim Bonnet wrote: Net Llama! wrote: Ok, not everything, but everything that I compile immediately dumps core when i attempt to run it. How would i go about troubleshooting this? sounds like a broken library.. Can you run ldd against the app's you have built that

Re: everything is dumping core!

2002-11-19 Thread Net Llama!
On Tue, 19 Nov 2002, David A. Bandel wrote: On Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:40:02 -0500 (EST) begin Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] spewed forth: Ok, not everything, but everything that I compile immediately dumps core when i attempt to run it. How would i go about troubleshooting this? start w/ a

[ot] Re: computer literacy == english illiteracy?

2002-11-19 Thread m.w.chang
M$ said: click your way. click here, there, and there. now... take off your cloth, babe. that's your name. :) agree. if these guys had gone through the days of DOS, I believe they would be better users. I suspected that some users didn't even know how to spell their name in english

Re: everything is dumping core!

2002-11-19 Thread Jim Bonnet
libm libc ld-linux-so.2 Unfortunately, i haven't upgraded or touched any of those 3 since May. Gotcha, wonder if you could sum -r those libs and compare to the originals? Or.. Have you run a debugger against the programs to see if you can find the actual line of code that is causing the

Re: ext2fs and security settings

2002-11-19 Thread Bill Campbell
On Wed, Nov 20, 2002 at 09:04:17AM +0800, m.w.chang wrote: I am sorry, at this stage, I prefer to learn the programming and coding that *created* security. I don't learn security because of security, general. :) When I could control security by proper programming and coding, I got secuity

Re: DVD/CD RW and Linux

2002-11-19 Thread Jim Bonnet
Keith Antoine wrote: On Wednesday 20 November 2002 01:15 am, Jim Bonnet espoused: There is a -X option for hdparm as well, although in my case all I did was the -d1 option. Using -X actually slowed things down abit. You will need to set -d1 at every boot. NOT, if you call it from

Re: ext2fs and security settings

2002-11-19 Thread Collins
On Tue, 19 Nov 2002 09:35:14 -0500 (EST) Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 19 Nov 2002, m.w.chang wrote: again, not when I am new to linux. do you know how intimidating for a newbie when they see doors and doors of obstacles to setup a simple home server behind a hardware

Re: ext2fs and security settings

2002-11-19 Thread Bill Campbell
On Tue, Nov 19, 2002 at 08:51:15PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Nov 20, 2002 at 09:02:34AM +0800, m.w.chang wrote: now you said it: DOS is ... an educational ... toy. I want one for linux. I told you how: # chmod -R 666 / This creates a wide open filesystem where any user can do

Re: ext2fs and security settings

2002-11-19 Thread Ben Duncan
Which Is true Lonni ... Only trying to make a point on where to start ..along with some simple rules to help the un-initiated. 'Sides ( ;- ) I dunno nuthin' 'bout xinetd ... Net Llama! wrote: On 11/19/02 15:38, Ben Duncan wrote: Some VERY Simple rules. Turn off ALL network Services not needed

Re: DVD/CD RW and Linux

2002-11-19 Thread Keith Antoine
On Wednesday 20 November 2002 01:15 am, Jim Bonnet espoused: There is a -X option for hdparm as well, although in my case all I did was the -d1 option. Using -X actually slowed things down abit. You will need to set -d1 at every boot. NOT, if you call it from /etc/rc.d/rc.local (insert it

Re: vi error !! ??

2002-11-19 Thread kwall
On Tue, Nov 19, 2002 at 05:36:29AM -0800, Ken Moffat wrote: When I edit a file using vi in a terminal, I get the following error on quitting: viminfo: Illegal starting char in line: ??u^P~KE^X? viminfo: Illegal starting char in line: j viminfo: Illegal starting char in line: ,?p^P~KD^@

Re: ext2fs and security settings

2002-11-19 Thread kwall
On Wed, Nov 20, 2002 at 09:06:34AM +0800, m.w.chang wrote: agree. if these guys had gone through the days of DOS, I believe they would be better users. I suspected that some users didn't even know how to spell their name in english alphabets. :) I'm sure I don't know how to spell my name in

Re: ext2fs and security settings

2002-11-19 Thread kwall
On Wed, Nov 20, 2002 at 09:02:34AM +0800, m.w.chang wrote: now you said it: DOS is ... an educational ... toy. I want one for linux. I told you how: # chmod -R 666 / This creates a wide open filesystem where any user can do anything. When it breaks, and it *will* most assuredly break, you

Re: sco linux 4.0 released today

2002-11-19 Thread m.w.chang
did the SCO guys assassinate all the orignial Caldera staff on the day of her public listing? :) Net Llama! wrote: Some things never change at SCOdera. hmm.. no frontpage news in http://www.sco.com :) http://www.linuxandmain.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=287 -- Swiftly.

Re: ext2fs and security settings

2002-11-19 Thread m.w.chang
Slackware got basic secuirty system, too. I want to turn off the master-arm switch. :) I disagree. Linux comes with a lot of training wheels - otherwise everyone would still be running Slackware (not that that's a bad idea in itself, but it would scare off a lot of Newbies). that's just the

Re: ext2fs and security settings

2002-11-19 Thread m.w.chang
many thanks. hmm.. will try it.. so the a group attributes can totallly disarm the beast? hmm...how about owner and group names? Certain daemons insist on comparing names (ie, gid and uid). now you said it: DOS is ... an educational ... toy. I want one for linux. I told you how: # chmod -R 666 /

Re: sco linux 4.0 released today

2002-11-19 Thread Net Llama!
Some things never change at SCOdera. On 11/19/02 15:12, m.w.chang wrote: hmm.. no frontpage news in http://www.sco.com :) dep wrote: http://www.linuxandmain.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=287 -- ~ L. Friedman

Re: everything is dumping core!

2002-11-19 Thread Net Llama!
On 11/19/02 17:40, Jim Bonnet wrote: libm libc ld-linux-so.2 Unfortunately, i haven't upgraded or touched any of those 3 since May. Gotcha, wonder if you could sum -r those libs and compare to the originals? Or.. Have you run a debugger against the programs to see if you can find the

Re: ext2fs and security settings

2002-11-19 Thread Andrew Mathews
m.w.chang wrote: sir, I want the house, not the lock. I beg your pardon. Too bad. Get over it. Nobody wants a house without locks, everyone has the same concerns. Remove yours, sell them, do whatever, just don't expect many people to view it as either logical or reasonable. Will you put your

Re: DVD/CD RW and Linux

2002-11-19 Thread Leon A. Goldstein
Jim Bonnet wrote: oh agreed for sure, but your fix is vendor specific.. the original poster should decide the correct place depending on their distro.. i should have been more clear.. the correct place is /etc/sysconfig/hardware on my box... For current Debian the file to edit is

Re: vi error !! ??

2002-11-19 Thread Ken Moffat
Suggest deleting $HOME/.viminfo. Thanks, Jim and Kurt, this fixed it. Strange problem. -- Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users

Re: sco linux 4.0 released today

2002-11-19 Thread Matthew Carpenter
Check again... begin Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:37:58 -0800) Some things never change at SCOdera. On 11/19/02 15:12, m.w.chang wrote: hmm.. no frontpage news in http://www.sco.com :) dep wrote: