Re: Dyson's reply RE: [IFWP] Representations to WTO Conference

1999-11-24 Thread Tamar Frankel
Ken: I was the one who did not believe in the selection process of ICANN's board and who spoke, whenever I could, for membership and election. But I also recognize that ICANN has to be built. The current board is composed of people whom I respect. It has the support of the government, conditioned

Re: Dyson's reply RE: [IFWP] Representations to WTO Conference

1999-11-24 Thread Tamar Frankel
I do not think we disagree. I certainly agree with Larry Lessig, and I did read his book. We disagree on the timing. I am willing to be more patient, and hope that people like you will continue to demand more accountability. I did not conclude that all is lost, so long as I see some progress. The

[IFWP] Gimme shelter

1999-11-24 Thread Richard J. Sexton
At 10:55 AM 11/24/99 -0500, Tamar Frankel wrote: I do not think we disagree. I certainly agree with Larry Lessig, and I did read his book. We disagree on the timing. I am willing to be more patient, and hope that people like you will continue to demand more accountability. I did not conclude that

Re: Dyson's reply RE: [IFWP] Representations to WTO Conference

1999-11-24 Thread A.M. Rutkowski
At 10:55 AM 11/24/99 , you wrote: I did not conclude that all is lost, so long as I see some progress. The alternatives scare me too. So that is where we disagree. Hi Tamar, What progress have you seen? A larger board? What realistic alternatives do you fear? Consider that the whole big

[IFWP] Gimme shelter II

1999-11-24 Thread Richard J. Sexton
The "myth of the online pervert" seems roughly analogous to me to the "myth of internet instability" as a reason d'etre for ICANN. by [EMAIL PROTECTED] A wave of significant legislation seeking to regulate electronic commerce and culture is now before Congress, marking a significant new era in

Re: Dyson's reply RE: [IFWP] Representations to WTO Conference

1999-11-24 Thread Richard J. Sexton
I did not conclude that all is lost, so long as I see some progress. The alternatives scare me too. So that is where we disagree. Hi Tamar, What progress have you seen? A larger board? [...] Some discussion of these matters would be useful. Whayt he said. Along with: 1) If ICANN doesn't

[IFWP] Gimme shelter II

1999-11-24 Thread Richard J. Sexton
BWGThe "myth of the online pervert" seems roughly analogous to me to the "myth of internet instability" as a reason d'etre for ICANN. by [EMAIL PROTECTED] A wave of significant legislation seeking to regulate electronic commerce and culture is now before Congress, marking a significant new era

Re: Dyson's reply RE: [IFWP] Representations to WTO Conference

1999-11-24 Thread Gordon Cook
your reply is helpful. but as far as being scared by alternatives.(too). I don't think I follow you here.. i don't see any aternatives to be scared by...except the MORASS that lessig bemoans... the very morass that allows the icanntes to do what they are doing and get away

Re: [IFWP] Gimme shelter

1999-11-24 Thread Gordon Cook
At 10:55 AM 11/24/99 -0500, Tamar Frankel wrote: I do not think we disagree. I certainly agree with Larry Lessig, and I did read his book. We disagree on the timing. I am willing to be more patient, and hope that people like you will continue to demand more accountability. I did not conclude

[IFWP] 'Mortgages' for domain names

1999-11-24 Thread Andy Oram
I just laughed when I read this, and some people may like it because it shows a trend toward considering domain names to be owned by domain name holders. But I fear it will reinforce the idea that you and your domain name are "bescherrt" (i.e., there is one domain name divinely chosen for you)

Re: Dyson's reply RE: [IFWP] Representations to WTO Conference

1999-11-24 Thread Jeff Williams
Tony and all, A.M. Rutkowski wrote: At 10:55 AM 11/24/99 , you wrote: I did not conclude that all is lost, so long as I see some progress. The alternatives scare me too. So that is where we disagree. Hi Tamar, What progress have you seen? A larger board? Not to mention a Board that

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Re: Dyson's reply RE: [IFWP] Representations to WTO Conference

1999-11-24 Thread Jeff Williams
Richard and all, Richard J. Sexton wrote: I did not conclude that all is lost, so long as I see some progress. The alternatives scare me too. So that is where we disagree. Hi Tamar, What progress have you seen? A larger board? [...] Some discussion of these matters would be useful.

Re: [IFWP] 'Mortgages' for domain names

1999-11-24 Thread Jeff Williams
Andy and all, Well yes it is funny in several ways, but also serious in some as well. As you MAY?? know, there have already been US DIstrict court rulings determining that DN's indeed property. Some of those rulings have seen some press coverage. Many have not. Andy Oram wrote: I just

Re: Dyson's reply RE: [IFWP] Representations to WTO Conference

1999-11-24 Thread Tamar Frankel
I must go, but will return in a few days and we can continue the discussion. Thanks for responding. Tamar At 01:22 PM 11/24/99 -0800, you wrote: Richard and all, Richard J. Sexton wrote: I did not conclude that all is lost, so long as I see some progress. The alternatives scare me too. So

[IFWP] ICANN is intended for...

1999-11-24 Thread Javier Rodriguez
Dear Tony, you wrote: ... a "good ICANN" is one that does nothing or disappears. About the only exception, is the introduction of new TLDs. I have a great respect for your positions about many themes related to the Internet and ICANN. But I have to disagree with you about that the best ICANN

[IFWP] Re: At Large Membership Markle Meeting Report

1999-11-24 Thread Jeff Williams
Kathy and all, Thank you for sharing this note with us, as I am sure it will be helpful for some to get a idea anyway of how these meetings were conducted and some ideas of what the ICANN membership organization can or should be about. In this light I have some comments and questions I

Re: [IFWP] ICANN is intended for...

1999-11-24 Thread Jeff Williams
Javier and all, You know Javier, there was once a child much like you liken ICANN to be some 50 odd years ago. That child had defects, although they mostly mental ones, much like ICANN's. His name was Adolf Hitler... So, what I am getting at here is that sometimes the cure, kills the

Re: [IFWP] The bastard ICANN is intended for...

1999-11-24 Thread Richard J. Sexton
THE BEST ICANN is the one that you, me, and many other people is building around the whole world. This ICANN is like a child that has been born with huge, enourmous defects, imperfections, limitations. But it is OUR little child. Not me, I wasn't even in town that month. Roger Cochetti was

[IFWP] BOUNCE list@ifwp.org: Non-member submission from [d3nnis d3nnis@mciworld.com]

1999-11-24 Thread Richard J. Sexton
From: d3nnis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [IFWP] ICANN is intended for... Cc: Dennis [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think this is perhaps the most interesting dialog I have observed since coming to the Cyberspace regime called ICANN. It seems to me that Cyberspace is torn between the extremes that

Re: [IFWP] ICANN is intended for...

1999-11-24 Thread Jeff Williams
Dennis, Javier and all, d3nnis wrote: Javier and Jeff -- I think this is perhaps the most interesting dialog I have observed since coming to the Cyberspace regime called ICANN. I don't believe I would want to characterize ICANN and most especially it's (Initial?) Interim board and now

[IFWP] BOUNCE list@ifwp.org: Non-member submission from [d3nnis d3nnis@mciworld.com]

1999-11-24 Thread Richard J. Sexton
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