Re: [IFWP] Re: opinions shortsightedness about ICANN

1999-03-15 Thread Greg Skinner
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kerry Miller) wrote: Maybe (again) I have used the wrong word. What would it take to loosen the concept of 'meeting' from the temporal constraints/ intensity/ concentration your response seems to imply? I wasn't trying to imply anything. I envision that under ideal

[IFWP] Re: opinions shortsightedness about ICANN

1999-03-15 Thread Kerry Miller
Greg, Maybe (again) I have used the wrong word. What would it take to loosen the concept of 'meeting' from the temporal constraints/ intensity/ concentration your response seems to imply? I wasn't trying to imply anything. Please don't take it as an insult ;-). In response to my

Re: [IFWP] Re: opinions shortsightedness about ICANN

1999-03-15 Thread Greg Skinner
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kerry Miller) wrote: Please don't take it as an insult ;-). In response to my suggestion for a *digital meeting, your reply, involving publicity, funding, providing RA relays (and presumably transcribers for the text- bound?) etc seemed more relevant to an analog (f2f)

Re: [IFWP] Re: opinions shortsightedness about ICANN

1999-03-15 Thread jeff Williams
Greg and all, Greg Skinner wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kerry Miller) wrote: Please don't take it as an insult ;-). In response to my suggestion for a *digital meeting, your reply, involving publicity, funding, providing RA relays (and presumably transcribers for the text- bound?) etc

Re: [IFWP] Re: opinions shortsightedness about ICANN

1999-03-15 Thread Eric Weisberg
Greg Skinner wrote: I think there is a preference among people to have face-to-face, or at least telephone conferences because there are some things that are not communicated very well in email and other text-based media. Tone of voice and facial expression lend much to the communication

[IFWP] Re: opinions shortsightedness about ICANN

1999-03-14 Thread Kerry Miller
"[IFWP] has come together to sponsor a framework of coordinated international meetings, to be held around the world, at which stakeholders will discuss the transition to private sector management of the technical administration of Internet names and numbers as outlined in the

Re: [IFWP] Re: opinions shortsightedness about ICANN

1999-03-13 Thread Greg Skinner
*sigh* I'll give it one more try ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kerry Miller) wrote: Thank you for the suggestion that I pay to become a member of a group which has 'interests in providing Internet education.' That's not what I meant. I suggested that you contact the individuals within ISOC

[IFWP] Re: opinions shortsightedness about ICANN, etc.

1999-03-12 Thread Kerry Miller
Greg, at.om.ism \'at-*-miz-*m\ \-m*st\ n : a doctrine that the universe is composed of simple indivisible minute particles - at.om.ist n I wish you would not use language like this, as it comes off as denigrating and insulting, even if it's not meant to be. "... our public

Re: [IFWP] Re: opinions shortsightedness about ICANN, etc.

1999-03-12 Thread Greg Skinner
jeff Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where is this discussion group that you are eluding to? I will endeavor to give it the once over. Go to www.isoc.org and follow the links to 'NEW' ISOC-Members-Discuss. Then follow the instructions. --gregbo

Re: [IFWP] Re: opinions shortsightedness about ICANN, etc.

1999-03-12 Thread jeff Williams
Greg and all, This is NOT an open discussion group mailing list. It is available for members only to post there, al la the "Particpants" list of the DNSO.ORG fiasco. It is a complete sham! Hence my earlier comments apply on this thread. Greg Skinner wrote: jeff Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [IFWP] Re: opinions shortsightedness about ICANN, etc.

1999-03-12 Thread Greg Skinner
jeff Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote, regarding the ISOC discussion group mailing list: This is NOT an open discussion group mailing list. Did I say it was? Recall my initial statements. I suggested that Kerry Miller contact members of the ISOC who have expressed similar interests in

Re: [IFWP] Re: opinions shortsightedness about ICANN, etc.

1999-03-12 Thread William X. Walsh
Jeffrey is just upset because he wasn't invited to play. On 12-Mar-99 Greg Skinner wrote: jeff Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote, regarding the ISOC discussion group mailing list: This is NOT an open discussion group mailing list. Did I say it was? Recall my initial

Re: [IFWP] Re: opinions shortsightedness about ICANN, etc.

1999-03-12 Thread Dr Eberhard W Lisse
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], "William X. Walsh" writes: Jeffrey is just upset because he wasn't invited to play. On 12-Mar-99 Greg Skinner wrote: jeff Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote, regarding the ISOC discussion group mailing list: This is NOT an open discussion group

Re: [IFWP] Re: opinions shortsightedness about ICANN, etc.

1999-03-12 Thread jeff Williams
Greg and all, No you didn't DIRECTLY say so, though you implied as much, I also notice her that you carefully edited out those comments along with most my two replies. Clever. None the less, the ISOC is a closed membership only organization that properties to be representative of internet

Re: [IFWP] Re: opinions shortsightedness about ICANN, etc.

1999-03-12 Thread jeff Williams
William and all, As usual we see another ad hominan approach to a comment I have made taken FAR out of context and totally incorrect. Even if invited, I would not "Play" as little William's phrases his response here. There are many more and, no cost educational forums available for others whom

Re: [IFWP] Re: opinions shortsightedness about ICANN, etc.

1999-03-12 Thread William X. Walsh
Kinda like INEG? Claims to represent the largest group of stakeholders ever assembled, but keeps a closed structure on information about what INEG really is (or isn't in this case). On 12-Mar-99 jeff Williams wrote: Greg and all, No you didn't DIRECTLY say so, though you implied as

Re: [IFWP] Re: opinions shortsightedness about ICANN, etc.

1999-03-12 Thread jeff Williams
William and all, William! Please take your medicine. You are beginning to have another of your mental lapsing periods yet again. It is both unseemly and detrimental to you to put on such displays of severe delirium William X. Walsh wrote: Kinda like INEG? Claims to represent the

Re: [IFWP] Re: opinions shortsightedness about ICANN, etc.

1999-03-12 Thread jeff Williams
Greg and all, Greg Skinner wrote: jeff Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No you didn't DIRECTLY say so, though you implied as much, I also notice her that you carefully edited out those comments along with most my two replies. Clever. None the less, the ISOC is a closed membership

Re: [IFWP] Re: opinions shortsightedness about ICANN, etc.

1999-03-12 Thread Greg Skinner
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kerry Miller) wrote: "... our public belief in atomism legitimates the position of those who argue that fixing the parts is sufficient as well as the position of those who argue that fixing the parts has not been effective in the past and that thus nothing can be done."

[IFWP] Re: opinions shortsightedness about ICANN, etc.

1999-03-12 Thread Kerry Miller
Greg, What is 'unintelligible' today might be 'intelligible' tomorrow. Why artificially constrain the namespace? I'm not sure if you have intentionally elided the terms 'confusing' and 'unintelligible,' or not; the first is from trademark law, while the second is meant to refer

Re: [IFWP] Re: opinions shortsightedness about ICANN, etc.

1999-03-11 Thread Greg Skinner
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kerry Miller) wrote: Two weeks later, I suggested the 'Grndl alternative' that serves the same principal purpose (of *educating users to the fact that names are merely names, and have no meaning -- or value -- other than that which they themselves 'read into' them)

[IFWP] Re: opinions shortsightedness about ICANN, etc.

1999-03-11 Thread Kerry Miller
David, The problem is not the lack of good ideas, it is the lack of a mechanism for implementing them. I'm glad you agree with me, that in conflating 'implementing an idea' with 'implementing the consequences of an idea,' we end up with no mechanism at all. Instead of waiting for

Re: [IFWP] Re: opinions shortsightedness about ICANN, etc.

1999-03-11 Thread Greg Skinner
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kerry Miller) wrote: As it happens, one can read my 'parodies' in just this light: What prevents ICANN from tying registrar certification (say) to the requirement that only 'unintelligble' names (say) will be registered until such time as an *intelligible TM/DN policy

Re: [IFWP] Re: opinions shortsightedness about ICANN, etc.

1999-03-11 Thread jeff Williams
Greg and all, Greg Skinner wrote: As I am not an ISOC member, my observations are based on my readings of the ISOC discussion group, which was recently made public. I will defer to Don Heath in case I have made an incorrect assumption. jeff Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greg

[IFWP] Re: opinions shortsightedness about ICANN, etc.

1999-03-10 Thread Kerry Miller
Jeff, Why do you call it a parody? I identified a problem, outlined a minimum-impact solution, and called for comments -- of which there were, btw, zero (0). Os! You must have missed ours. I guess I did -- The Digest seems to be dropping quite a few items recently. If you