[WSG] Hyperlinks - best practice

2006-08-03 Thread Bojana Lalic
Hi all Which of the following two is a better practice of including hyperlinks on pages: Including hyperlinks in the paragraphs: Eg. Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer adipiscing elit. Vivamus nisl lorem, ullamcorper vitae, interdum et, venenatis at, pede. Vivamus risus

Re: [WSG] Hyperlinks - best practice

2006-08-03 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 8/3/06, Bojana Lalic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which of the following two is a better practice of including hyperlinks on pages: Better practice in which sense - just accessibility, or usability as well? From an accessibility pov, it is better to include the links inline; screenreaders

Re: [WSG] Tracking print.css to detemine printed pages

2006-08-03 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 8/3/06, Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just checking in Firefox with the LiveHTTPHeaders extension, it looks like FF downloads the print.css when the page is loaded, not when you hit print or print preview. I'll go out on a limb and say that this behaviour may well be common in

Re: [WSG] New window - Thickbox - iFrames - what to do?

2006-08-03 Thread Darren West
Maybe a frameset?!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Frameset//EN http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-frameset.dtd DazOn 03/08/06, Rachel May [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone, I'd love to hear opinions on what is the best option to take. I have an application where it is necessary

Re: [WSG] Making Semantically Correct Instructions with Images in XHTML

2006-08-03 Thread Ken McCormack
Maybe you could use a label tag - sounds analgous to the radio button / label tag association? label for=imageidlabel text/label Just a thought... Ken Vlad Alexander (XStandard) wrote: Hi Zachary, The reference to see the image at left is not a good idea since there is no left or right

Re: [WSG] IE7 bug?

2006-08-03 Thread Nick Gleitzman
Andrew Ingram wrote: The people who made the code originally were using left: -999em to hide the menu, the reasoning was so that screen-readers could still access them (as opposed to display: none), acting on a hunch I switched to the display: none method and everything started working. Hm,

Re: [WSG] URL Safari Check

2006-08-03 Thread DEL PICCOLO Julien
2006/8/3, Ron Jonk [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Look great on home page , the other page have a wider navigation with spaces between the nav items, and I see a white block under the main images sticking outside on the right sideOn Aug 1, 2006, at 2:47 AM, NickGleitzman wrote: Same thing here, using Safari

Re: [WSG] IE7 bug?

2006-08-03 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Andrew Ingram wrote: So I added in another rule that changed the background color of the element with the drop-down hover and suddenly everything started working, take the rule out and it stopped. I think you have hit the old IE-bug on CSS popups...

Re: [WSG] Hi, I'm new here!

2006-08-03 Thread pdr Lists
Hey Marissa On 03/08/2006, at 1:18 AM, Marissa Manzino wrote: Hello everyone, My name is Marissa Manzino. I recently signed up to this site and wanted to introduce myself. I hope that you are having a wonderful day! Marissa ** The

Re: [WSG] Table Attributes and CSS

2006-08-03 Thread CK
Hi, Designing with Web Standards, is saving some painful flash backs to the mercenary approach of web design days past. Although the first step backwards is minimal, it inspired understanding of clean use of tables. Thanks for the assistance. CK On Aug 2, 2006, at 9:20 PM, Rachel May

RE: [WSG] Tracking print.css to detemine printed pages

2006-08-03 Thread Chris Taylor
While on the surface that looks like a good solution, you have to remember that by default browsers won't print any backgrounds (colors or images) so the image you set as a background in the print.css file may never get loaded. Testing is certainly required as that info is scraped from the dusty

Re: [WSG] Tracking print.css to detemine printed pages

2006-08-03 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 8/3/06, Chris Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While on the surface that looks like a good solution, you have to remember that by default browsers won't print any backgrounds (colors or images) so the image you set as a background in the print.css file may never get loaded. My guess would be

[WSG] When to Nest TB

2006-08-03 Thread CK
Hi, Still attempting to unlearn in the best possible manner. In the following code an attempt at setting the columns different heights, simply defaulted to the largest value. Would this be better solved with rowspan attribute or a nested table. This is an exercise. CK /*CODE*/ ?xml

Re: [WSG] Support for IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats)

2006-08-03 Thread Dani Nordin | 401.787.5178
I agree with all of this. You could probably find an old classic iMac on eBay or Craigslist for not a wicked lot of money. Cheers, Dani ~~ Dani Nordin the zen kitchen Graphic and web design with a touch of green 1 Fitchburg Street, B160 Somerville, MA 02143 401.787.5178

Re: [WSG] Support for IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats)

2006-08-03 Thread Tom Livingston
On 8/2/06 11:57 PM, SunUp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd then have a fight on my hands with our IT department about network points and security issues. Security issues? From a Mac?? If they can maintain security with Windows workstations, they don't need to worry about adding a Mac

Re: [WSG] URL Safari Check

2006-08-03 Thread Dani Nordin | 401.787.5178
Title: Re: [WSG] URL Safari Check Hi there, A few things Im noticing: ~ Home, Products link doesnt work. ~ Company Info, Conact, Links link leads to a page that just has a header and a white DIV thats offset about 30px to the left of the border. ~ Im not sure if this is intentional, but on

Re: [WSG] Support for IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats)

2006-08-03 Thread Nikita The Spider
On 8/3/06, Geoff Pack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SunUp wrote: It's the Mac problem. There's no way my department's budget will extend to purchasing an old Mac just for testing purposes, If I was in that situation, I would either: * refuse to support Macs and refer any compaints to the boss

Re: [WSG] Table Attributes and CSS

2006-08-03 Thread Dani Nordin | 401.787.5178
I was very lucky that I started building sites back in 2003. Until I read that book in about 2005, I had decided that I would rather cut off my hands than deal with building a website. Now, I actually kinda like web design. Jeffrey Zeldman is one of my personal rock gods. Dani

RE: [WSG] Tracking print.css to detemine printed pages

2006-08-03 Thread Chris Taylor
Perhaps this is one of those browser default CSS issues we've been hearing about recently, setting all backgrounds in the print media to 'none'. If anyone has the time to do some testing (unfortunately I don't at the moment) I'd really like to see the results. Chris -Original Message-

Re: [WSG] New window - Thickbox - iFrames - what to do?

2006-08-03 Thread Christian Montoya
On 8/3/06, Rachel May [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: iframes would allow me to have a separate page in an existing page with their own styles and everything - however I have never used them and I am unaware of accessibility on this and if it has any other implications?? Have a look at the preview

[WSG] Site check and solution needed.

2006-08-03 Thread Joe
Putting the finishing touches on my first standards compliant dynamic e-commerce website and would like a check in safari from those who are capable. Thanks in advance! Also, I am having a few minor issues with IE6 (of course) in regards to columns generated by floated elements. The

Re: [WSG] Hyperlinks - best practice

2006-08-03 Thread Gaspar
Yap in theparagraphs and like, if it's part of text, i think is the right way the hipertext is for that way, i dont understand the reason to take the context around of link. You have a text then appear a term and i could see the meaning or some explanation for that term. Even in screen reader or

RE: [WSG] Support for IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats)

2006-08-03 Thread David Hucklesby
 Sunny wrote:  I know how to prevent v.4 browsers from getting my styles, but  how do I stop IE5/Mac from getting them?? All I know how to do is  to give them  something different, not how to exclude them entirely. On Thu, 3 Aug 2006 13:54:46 +1000, Geoff Pack replied:  see:

[WSG] Semantic usage of th

2006-08-03 Thread Joe
I recently ran into a project which required me to use a table to display relationships and comparisons between data. Say for example we are comparing nutritional content of various foods: Food Type Fat Calories Cholesterol Burger 15g 650 150mg Fish 2g 300 200mg Corn 3g 200 50mg I

[WSG] Css menu (not navigation)

2006-08-03 Thread Kim Kruse
Hi, I remember seeing a sample of a elastic tableless menu for a restaurant looking something like this Item description.price 123 Item description.price 456 Item

Re: [WSG] Semantic usage of th

2006-08-03 Thread Joseph R. B. Taylor
Joe wrote: I recently ran into a project which required me to use a table to display relationships and comparisons between data. Say for example we are comparing nutritional content of various foods: Food Type Fat Calories Cholesterol Burger 15g 650 150mg Fish 2g 300 200mg Corn 3g 200

Re: [WSG] Semantic usage of th

2006-08-03 Thread Paul Novitski
At 10:09 AM 8/3/2006, Joe wrote: I understand the th tag should be used on the items in the top row, but what about the row on the left? Are they also considered a header of the row? If so, wouldn't 'Food Type' be a header of a header? What do you guys think? More to the point, what do

RE: [WSG] Semantic usage of th

2006-08-03 Thread Joe
Thank you for your comments, they have helped tremendously. Joe ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help

Re: [WSG] Css menu (not navigation)

2006-08-03 Thread Janette Girod
Hi Kim, Here's a nice use of definition lists to style a menu: How to style a restaurant menu with CSS http://web-graphics.com/mtarchive/001622.php It looks like there's also some microformat menu activity going on at http://microformats.org/ . Cheers, Janette --- Kim Kruse [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[WSG] International Layout in CSS

2006-08-03 Thread Tee G. Peng
I was working on a pro bono Chinese site and is asked to layout a certain section text vertically, read from right to left - this is the old format which is still be used in Taiwan for books. My first reaction is it can't be done practically, for CSS playground maybe, but I am told I can

RE: [WSG] New window - Thickbox - iFrames - what to do?

2006-08-03 Thread Rachel May
Thanks for the suggestions. I've found Greybox Redux which does what I like, nice and unobtrusive, and small file size - yay! Just like lightbox/thickbox but I can open a separate page, css files and stuff. :) Rach -Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: [WSG] Support for IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats)

2006-08-03 Thread SunUp
* refuse to support Macs and refer any compaints to the boss and the IT department. Amen to that. There's no reason to be forced to support hardware it your department won't make allowances for testing on it. If they want you to support it, they need to make that possible. They couldn't

Re: [WSG] International Layout in CSS

2006-08-03 Thread Andrew Cunningham
Vertical text layout will be a feature of CSS3 (http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-text/). Microsoft ages ago played with vertical text for Han Ideographs in Internet Explorer 5.5 ( I haven't played with it in more recent versions). Have a look at

Re: [WSG] Support for IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats)

2006-08-03 Thread Nikita The Spider
On 8/3/06, SunUp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * refuse to support Macs and refer any compaints to the boss and the IT department. Amen to that. There's no reason to be forced to support hardware it your department won't make allowances for testing on it. If they want you to support it, they

Re: [WSG] Support for IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats)

2006-08-03 Thread Nick Gleitzman
SunUp wrote: * refuse to support Macs and refer any compaints to the boss and the IT department. Amen to that. There's no reason to be forced to support hardware it your department won't make allowances for testing on it. If they want you to support it, they need to make that possible.

RE: [WSG] Support for Macs and Firefox (was Support for IE5/Mac?)

2006-08-03 Thread Rachel May
Seeing as we're on a big rant here I might as well add my 2c! Today I went to New Zealand's National Museum website - Te Papa. I searched for the information I was after (about native spiders) and came across the content and then - woah. The layout was all wrong (content was at bottom of the

Re: [WSG] Support for Macs and Firefox (was Support for IE5/Mac?)

2006-08-03 Thread dwain . alford
Rachel May wrote: Seeing as we're on a big rant here I might as well add my 2c! Today I went to New Zealand's National Museum website - Te Papa. I searched for the information I was after (about native spiders) and came across the content and then - woah. The layout was all wrong (content was

Re: [WSG] Support for Macs and Firefox (was Support for IE5/Mac?)

2006-08-03 Thread Mark Harris
Rachel May wrote: This website is a government site - therefore should be support accessibility and web guidelines - and is our national museum and icon... I agree with you, Rachel - all sites paid for with public money should be accessible. However, because Te Papa is an Autonomous Crown

RE: [WSG] Support for Macs and Firefox (was Support for IE5/Mac?)

2006-08-03 Thread Samuel Richardson
New Zealand government websites should have the New Zealand government web standards applied to them, that Te Papa fails miserably :D -Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rachel May Sent: Friday, 4 August 2006 12:28 PM To:

Re: [WSG] Semantic usage of th

2006-08-03 Thread Ben Buchanan
I understand the th tag should be used on the items in the top row, but I'd describe it a bit differently - the th tag should be used for any cell which is a heading for other cells. After that it's just following the logic through :) The scope attribute removes ambiguity of the top left cell.