On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 07:11:51AM +, Dave Cross wrote:
Unfortunately, I happen to know that the system Nick is working on is
targetting Perl 5.004_04.
Wow, and I thought I had to deal with primitive tools in targeting
5.005003.
Those new-fangled doohickies are so nice, but you never
On Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 10:52:07PM +, David Cantrell wrote:
It is traditional to:
a) post your comment *after* what you're replying to;
b) only quote relevant snippets, not the whole damn message;
Quite.
c) have some grounding in reality
Absolutely. I've just written a zero-length
Newton, Philip [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Chris Devers wrote:
On Thu, 31 Jan 2002, Newton, Philip wrote:
Chris Devers wrote:
I while back -- several years now I guess -- I saw an example
program that would run under, among a few others, iirc Perl C
and Shell. Maybe things like
Ivor Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Jonathan Peterson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
$self-{rb}-addHook('invoke-on-contents',
\$self-invoke_on_contents);
I get
WWW::Robot: SCALAR(0x526e3c) is not a function reference; Ignoring it
And if I try
On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 12:16:30AM +, Nick Cleaton said:
: $CGI::DISABLE_UPLOADS = 1;
: $CGI::DISABLE_UPLOADS = 1;
: $CGI::POST_MAX = 100;
: $CGI::POST_MAX = 100;
There must be a better way, but what ?
{
local $^W = 0;
$CGI::DISABLE_UPLOADS = 1;
On Fri, 1 Feb 2002, Simon Wistow wrote:
The granularity of software will become finer in order to extract more
money from you. Of course this will be marketed as being cheaper for
people who don't use all the 'power' features - you'll get billed for
suing the spell checker. And the printer.
On Fri, 1 Feb 2002, Simon Wistow wrote:
{
local $^W = 0;
$CGI::DISABLE_UPLOADS = 1;
$CGI::POST_MAX= 100;
}
Never do this without comments.
{
# turn off warnings for this block
# assigning directly to CGI's settings
local $^W = 0;
Fotango (http://www.fotango.com/), where James and I work, are looking
to fill two positions. Maybe you know somebody...
Please contact: Simon Wardley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
** Web Developer (Javascript / HTML / DHTML...)
2+ years experience of web development in a commercial environment
working
On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 11:05:49AM +, Simon Wistow wrote:
{
local $^W = 0;
$CGI::DISABLE_UPLOADS = 1;
$CGI::POST_MAX= 100;
}
?
I'm assuming the ? is because you haven't tried it, right?
Didn't wfm on 5.005_03 anyhow.
--
Richard Clamp [EMAIL
From: Simon Wistow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The granularity of software will become finer in order to extract more
money from you. Of course this will be marketed as being cheaper for
people who don't use all the 'power' features - you'll get billed for
suing the spell checker. And the printer. And
On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 11:13:17AM +, Mark Fowler said:
I have a free spell checker. And a free printer driver. And a lot of
free fonts [1].
But you're not everybody. And I mean that with the greatest respect.
And there's no way that free software could get organised to provide
On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 10:51:08AM +, Simon Wistow said:
Computing will end up as micropayments. As is already happening with
music and games (c.f the Neo vs. SCEE (Sony) 'Messiah' court case
recently [0]) and probably with software if I ever actually bothered
ETRAILINGFOOTNOTE
[0]
Chris Devers [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I learned about the trick here:
http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20010326231011108
Basically, they suggest the following shell script:
#!/bin/tcsh
DANGER WILL ROBINSON! csh scripting is evil. Don't do it. You'll
only end up hurt
On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 11:23:18AM +, Richard Clamp said:
I'm assuming the ? is because you haven't tried it, right?
Didn't wfm on 5.005_03 anyhow.
Yeah, I didn't have quick access to an early Perl. Should have included
more disclaimers.
You need to close over $self. Try this:
$self-{rb}-addHook('invoke-on-contents', sub {$self-invoke_on_contents(@_)});
$self-{rb}-addHook('follow-url-test', sub {$self-follow_url_test(@_)});
.robin.
Yay! Thanks for those who responded, this now works, and one day I'll
properly
* at 01/02 11:23 - Robert Shiels said:
From: Simon Wistow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
summaryit'll all be micorpayments i tell you/summary
I'm not convinced by the micro-payments model. I like to know exactly what
something is costing me, otherwise how can I budget. I suppose if there was
http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=02/02/01/002232mode=nestedtid=8
Dan Sugalski writes:
I'm making a list of active perlmongers groups and their
mailing lists, something that'll make communication with
folks a lot easier for me. So, if you're part of an active
perlmongers group,
From: Jonathan Peterson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote
... In the meantime, does anyonw know why
WWW::Robot goes VERY slowly? It seems to take 30-60 seconds between
deciding a link is worth following and retrieving the contents of the
page. I'm testing on a bog standard apache serving flat
On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 11:32:24AM +, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
--
#!/bin/sh
languages=French Dutch Spanish Italian Swedish Portuguese German
findargs=
for lang in $languages
do
test -n $findargs
On Fri, 1 Feb 2002, Jonathan Peterson wrote:
In the meantime, does anyonw know why WWW::Robot goes VERY slowly? It
deciding a link is worth following and retrieving the contents of the
page.
It's probably being polite by default in order not to swamp a server it's
making requests
From: Newton, Philip [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dan Sugalski writes:
Has this request been posted on the group leaders list, which seem a far
more sensible place to advertise it? I don't suppose every group leader for
the UK user groups are subbed to London.pm.
Barbie.
--
Birmingham.pm :
So, my auto back up went off ok last night but stopped half way through.
The logs had the message :
fonts/ediblepet.zip
write failed on fonts/ediblepet.zip : Success
unexpected EOF in read_timeout
Googling for this error
gets
On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 11:40:39AM +, Simon Wistow wrote:
Yeah, I didn't have quick access to an early Perl. Should have included
more disclaimers.
Is now when I mention it doesn't work on 5.6.1 or blead too?
What are you counting as a non-early Perl?
--
Richard Clamp [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, 1 Feb 2002, Barbie wrote:
Has this request been posted on the group leaders list, which seem a far
more sensible place to advertise it?
Er, if you need to change your details, surely you're not on that list.
I don't suppose every group leader for
the UK user groups are subbed to
On Fri, 1 Feb 2002, Simon Wistow wrote:
Anybody got any ideas?
Looks like the server is timing out. Why not simply repeat...each time
you should get more and more data down until you reach the stage where
you're only syncing changes.
Later.
Mark.
--
s'' Mark Fowler
Barbie wrote:
From: Newton, Philip [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dan Sugalski writes:
Has this request been posted on the group leaders list, which
seem a far more sensible place to advertise it?
No idea. I saw it on use.perl.org.
I don't suppose every group leader for the UK user groups
are
From: Mark Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, 1 Feb 2002, Barbie wrote:
Has this request been posted on the group leaders list, which seem a far
more sensible place to advertise it?
Er, if you need to change your details, surely you're not on that list.
But he doesn't advertise on that
On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 12:39:40PM +, Richard Clamp said:
On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 11:40:39AM +, Simon Wistow wrote:
Yeah, I didn't have quick access to an early Perl. Should have included
more disclaimers.
Is now when I mention it doesn't work on 5.6.1 or blead too?
What are
On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 11:23:02AM -, Robert Shiels wrote:
I will be dragged kicking and screaming towards any system that makes me pay
per listen to a new CD.
It doesn't have to be all bad. I'd rather pay 10p to listen to a CD once
than pay 15 quid to buy it, find out it's shit, and then
On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 12:47:48PM +, Mark Fowler said:
Looks like the server is timing out. Why not simply repeat...each time
you should get more and more data down until you reach the stage where
you're only syncing changes.
That was what I guessed. I was hoping for a less clunky
Jonathon Peterson wrote...
[snip]
Yay! Thanks for those who responded, this now works, and one day I'll
properly understand why. In the meantime, does anyonw know why
WWW::Robot goes VERY slowly? It seems to take 30-60 seconds between
deciding a link is worth following and retrieving the
On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 12:26:17PM -, Barbie wrote:
From: Newton, Philip [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dan Sugalski writes:
Has this request been posted on the group leaders list, which seem a far
more sensible place to advertise it? I don't suppose every group leader for
the UK user groups are
On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 01:03:57PM +, Simon Wistow wrote:
On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 12:39:40PM +, Richard Clamp said:
[simon@ns0 simon]$ cat try
#!/usr/bin/perl -w
use strict;
use CGI;
{
# turn off warnings for this block
# assigning directly to CGI's settings
On Fri, 1 Feb 2002, Newton, Philip wrote:
Barbie wrote:
I don't suppose every group leader for the UK user groups
are subbed to London.pm.
If you feel cam.pm, bath.pm, birmingham.pm or younameit.pm needs to read
this, feel free to forward the use.perl URL in my original message.
Did it
On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 12:16:44PM +, Nick Cleaton wrote:
And let's hope nobody did
mkdir /tmp/x\n/\nx, 0755;
mkdir /tmp/x\n/\nx/French, 0755;
or you're in deep doodoo.
Change
find / $findargs -print | xargs rm -rf
to
find / $findargs -print0 | xargs -0 rm -rf
and expect it to
Simon Wistow wrote:
Software sucks.
Welcome[1] to alt.sysadmin.recovery; our motto is all software sucks.
Cheers,
Philip
[1] Disclaimer: this mailing list may or may not be a.s.r and I may or may
not even follow that group at all.
--
Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
All opinions are my own,
On 1 Feb 2002, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
Chris Devers [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
#!/bin/tcsh
DANGER WILL ROBINSON! csh scripting is evil. Don't do it. You'll
only end up hurt and upset.
Heh. I wasn't defending it, just parroting with the hope that a cleverer
solution would emerge
On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 01:03:57PM +, Simon Wistow wrote:
which leads me to suspect that my definition of works is wrong.
No, just your understanding as to why your solution works. By using
CGI you're queering your own test. (See after sig)
Of course that does make me wonder why the OP
On Fri, 2002-02-01 at 08:00, Andy Wardley wrote:
uhm, 3 good reasons I can't rant about off the top of my head:
* No-one really knows how to do the component thing properly.
COM isn't it, DCOM isn't it, .NOT? .NOT! Talking about the
fine granularity of software components in
Nick Cleaton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 11:32:24AM +, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
--
#!/bin/sh
languages=French Dutch Spanish Italian Swedish Portuguese German
findargs=
for lang in
From: Paul Mison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Some of the group leaders didn't even know there was a group leaders
list to subscribe to. Does this make me one of Dave Cross's one eyed
kings?
It did mention the list in the appropriate blurb when I first set up
Birmingham.pm, so I can only assume that
Paul Mison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] writes:
Random brainfart: is the diversity of Perl communities (use.perl.org,
perl.com (to some extent), rhizo #perl, efnet #perl,
comp.lang.perl.misc, perlmonks, the multiple PM groups) a strength or a
weakness? Do people end up in the right place for
On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 09:52:51AM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There is at least one quine that works for almost every programming
language; the empty quine. But that's cheating really.
[robin@puffinry robin]$ touch empty.c
[robin@puffinry robin]$ gcc empty.c
/usr/lib/crt1.o(.text+0x18):
From: Mike Jarvis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The scary thing is that the people who *pay* programmers like it when
somebody tells them, look! pointy clicky! no thinking!
I actually remember when M$ marketed Windoze as an operating system for
managers, so that programmers could get on with the real
On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 01:27:58PM +, Simon Wistow wrote:
On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 01:10:06PM +, Nick Cleaton said:
./try or perl -w try would be better tests.
Ah, I thought that Perl parsed the shebang line even if it was passed
the program as a filename
It does. In your tests
On 1 Feb 2002, Randal L. Schwartz wrote:
$ mkdir fred
barney; cd fred
barney; pwd
Hehehe...
% mkdir fred
Unmatched .
% sh
localhost% mkdir fred
dquote barney
localhost% tcsh
% cd frTAB
% cd fred\
barney/
cd: Too many arguments.
% rmdir fred\
barney/
rmdir: fred: No such file or directory
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Randal L. Schwartz) writes:
Dominic == Dominic Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
And let's hope nobody did
mkdir /tmp/x\n/\nx, 0755;
mkdir /tmp/x\n/\nx/French, 0755;
or you're in deep doodoo.
Dominic Yup. But this /is/ a mac.
Why would that make it
Dominic == Dominic Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
And let's hope nobody did
mkdir /tmp/x\n/\nx, 0755;
mkdir /tmp/x\n/\nx/French, 0755;
or you're in deep doodoo.
Dominic Yup. But this /is/ a mac.
Why would that make it any different? I demo'ed a newline-containing
directory
From: Randal L. Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Maybe you didn't hear about the iTunes upgrade fiasco, where a
misquoted shell parameter caused people to lose entire disks if they
happened to have a space in the volume name (which nearly everyone I
know does).
My volume was called Macintosh HD,
On Fri, 1 Feb 2002, Robert Shiels wrote:
My volume was called Macintosh HD, with a space. I've just clicked on
it on the desktop and changed it to MacintoshHD without a space. Can
anyone verify for me that this is OK, and that I won't have problems
booting from that volume or any other
Paul Mison wrote:
Random brainfart: is the diversity of Perl communities (use.perl.org,
perl.com (to some extent), rhizo #perl, efnet #perl,
comp.lang.perl.misc, perlmonks, the multiple PM groups) a
strength or a weakness?
Add at least [EMAIL PROTECTED] (sp?) and c.l.p.moderated. Not
to
It's probably being polite by default in order not to swamp a server it's
making requests deliberatly slowly
Look at the REQUEST_DELAY attribute
Heh. When I read the docs I thought it said the default was a 1 second
delay not a 1 minute delay. Doh. All hunky-dory now.
--
Jonathan
On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 01:27:58PM +, Simon Wistow wrote:
Ah, I thought that Perl parsed the shebang line even if it was passed
the program as a filename
Yup, you're right, I was wrong. You learn something every day :)
As Richard points out, your solution works because of the 'use CGI'
On Fri, 2002-02-01 at 15:26, Newton, Philip wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (sp?)
You mean [EMAIL PROTECTED], methinks.
- Chris.
--
$a=printf.net; Chris Ball | chris@void.$a | www.$a | finger: chris@$a
In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.
On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 01:18:05PM +, Roger Burton West wrote:
Change
find / $findargs -print | xargs rm -rf
to
find / $findargs -print0 | xargs -0 rm -rf
Much better, but even then there's a race if there's a malicious
local user. Some sort of extra logic to avoid descending into
On Fri, 1 Feb 2002, Nick Cleaton wrote:
On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 01:18:05PM +, Roger Burton West wrote:
Change
find / $findargs -print | xargs rm -rf
to
find / $findargs -print0 | xargs -0 rm -rf
Much better, but even then there's a race if there's a malicious
local user.
The venue for this year's Linuxbierwanderung has been decided. It will
be based in the village of Doolin, Co. Clare, Ireland. See
http://www.draiocht.net/lbw-ie/ for details.
--
David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david
This is nice. Any idea what body-part it
On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 04:26:20PM +0100, Newton, Philip wrote:
I think there's just not enough time to do everything ... be an active
Perlmonk, do #perl on IRC, follow clpm, read Perlmonth [which I heard is
dead now?], do the use.perl thing (discussion and/or diary), hang out with
Perl
On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 11:44:20AM +, Jonathan Peterson wrote:
Yay! Thanks for those who responded, this now works, and one day I'll
properly understand why. In the meantime, does anyonw know why
WWW::Robot goes VERY slowly?
IIRC it has an option to throttle itself back so it doesn't
Dominic == Dominic Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Dominic No difference whatsoever, except that the owner is less likely to do
Dominic daft things in /tmp. :-)
Maybe you didn't hear about the iTunes upgrade fiasco, where a
misquoted shell parameter caused people to lose entire disks if
Just a thought...
Thinking about Perl usage in the M25 radius area, I wonder how much takeup
there is at the low budget end of the spectrum, in particular:
Education
Health
Charities
These seem to me to be ideal markets for Perl to become established in,
where the advantages of open source
Sometime ago, I read about the use of open source software in the
developing world, within schools etc. I think that there are a lot of
organisations out there who would benefit from open source development in
general. Unlike Big Bad Project Manager, Little Raju in india is not
going to care
On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 01:07:58PM +, Paul Mison ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Some of the group leaders didn't even know there was a group leaders
list to subscribe to. Does this make me one of Dave Cross's one eyed
kings?
Ergh. One more handy-overy thing that I forgot to do. I'll take
On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 03:40:53PM +, Nick Cleaton wrote:
The real problem seems to be that the CGI.pm that comes with Perl
5.00404 (version 2.36) doesn't have those variables, so even when
I 'use CGI' I get the warnings under 5.00404.
Ah, but 2.36 doesn't even check those variables, so
On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 01:00:11PM +, Andy Wardley wrote:
It doesn't have to be all bad. I'd rather pay 10p to listen to a CD once
than pay 15 quid to buy it, find out it's shit, and then only ever listen
to it once.
Except that I suspect it would be more like 100p - and even tho' I've
From: robin szemeti [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Friday 01 February 2002 15:20, Chris Devers wrote:
You still need to be careful though, because you still have, e.g.:
/Applications/Internet\ Explorer.app/Contents/Frameworks/MS\ XML\
Library.cfm/Contents/Resources/Swedish.lproj/Localized.rsrc
Newton, == Newton, Philip [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Newton, I think there's just not enough time to do everything ... be an active
Newton, Perlmonk, do #perl on IRC, follow clpm, read Perlmonth [which I heard is
Newton, dead now?], do the use.perl thing (discussion and/or diary), hang out with
On Fri, 1 Feb 2002, robin szemeti wrote:
On Friday 01 February 2002 15:20, Chris Devers wrote:
/Applications/Internet\ Explorer.app/Contents/Frameworks/MS\ XML\
Library.cfm/Contents/Resources/Swedish.lproj/Localized.rsrc
...with spaces all over the place, and not just the partition
On Fri, 1 Feb 2002, robin szemeti wrote:
On Friday 01 February 2002 18:43, Robert Shiels wrote:
other ways is simply to delete the Internet\ Explorer sub-directory ?
And use instead?
Seriously, I'd like to know if something else has all the features
you mean features like:
On 1 Feb 2002, Randal L. Schwartz wrote:
Newton, == Newton, Philip [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Newton, I think there's just not enough time to do everything ... be an
Newton, active Perlmonk, do #perl on IRC, follow clpm, read Perlmonth
Newton, [which I heard is dead now?], do the use.perl
On Fri, 1 Feb 2002, Robin Houston wrote:
On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 09:52:51AM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There is at least one quine that works for almost every programming
language; the empty quine. But that's cheating really.
[robin@puffinry robin]$ touch empty.c
[robin@puffinry
Robert == Robert Shiels [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Robert Seriously, I'd like to know if something else has all the features and can
Robert be used for testing web page development. I've heard good things about iCab,
Robert should I delete IE and put in that instead? I need javascript too.
I
On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 11:49:24AM +, Simon Wistow wrote:
On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 11:23:02AM -, Robert Shiels said:
I'm not convinced by the micro-payments model.
Neither am I.
The best response to this I've seen is from the boys from Penny Arcade
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