Re: Social meet kick up the arse [Was: Return to the Yorke]

2002-02-19 Thread Steve Keay
On Tue, Feb 19, 2002 at 03:58:25PM -0800, Paul Makepeace wrote: > > I'm sure there are plenty of lurkers on this list who would fit in It is quite a difficult thing to walk into a pub and land in a room full of strange people (people you don't know) who are all engaged in varying levels of intens

Re: Social meet kick up the arse [Was: Return to the Yorke]

2002-02-19 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 12:23:44AM +, Struan Donald wrote: > is a good idea too as it's a bit weird to walk up to a bunch of > strangers and offer to buy them $alchohol but buying your own drink > and then sitting nursing it in the corner isn't all that social. on > the other hand if you get b

Re: Social meet kick up the arse [Was: Return to the Yorke]

2002-02-19 Thread Struan Donald
* at 19/02 22:16 + Kate L Pugh said: > > * "Social meets aren't the best way to recruit newbies." > > Pah, that's where you got me from, and aren't you glad you did. i think the key difference is that people who come to social meets are more likely to participate actively rather than just l

Re: Social meet kick up the arse [Was: Return to the Yorke]

2002-02-19 Thread Struan Donald
* at 20/02 00:02 + David Cantrell said: > > On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, Kate L Pugh wrote: > > > * "How about offering a free pint to first-time attendees at the social?" > > That was originally my silly suggestion, but I'll stand by it. I'll buy > a $drink_of_choice for a few new faces. is a good

Re: Social meet kick up the arse [Was: Return to the Yorke]

2002-02-19 Thread David Cantrell
On Tue, Feb 19, 2002 at 11:42:49PM +, the hatter wrote: > On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, Kate L Pugh wrote: > > * "How about offering a free pint to first-time attendees at the social?" > Hurrah, make that 10. That was originally my silly suggestion, but I'll stand by it. I'll buy a $drink_of_choice f

Re: Social meet kick up the arse [Was: Return to the Yorke]

2002-02-19 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Tue, Feb 19, 2002 at 10:16:35PM +, Kate L Pugh wrote: > >> [...] to bring Perl programming friends along, maybe to encourage old > >> members of the list who don't turn up that often to come along [...] Well, I'm one of the oldest members and don't turn up that often (altho' living 6,000mi

Re: Social meet kick up the arse [Was: Return to the Yorke]

2002-02-19 Thread the hatter
On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, Kate L Pugh wrote: > * "Let's discuss social things on IRC rather than the list; all of the >social types are on IRC anyway." > > I disagree with the latter assertion, and even if it were true, nobody > watches IRC all the time. Agreed, maybe they mean 'all the types who

Social meet kick up the arse [Was: Return to the Yorke]

2002-02-19 Thread Kate L Pugh
Long mail; bear with me. On Fri 15 Feb 2002, Greg McCarroll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I'd like to suggest that we make this a special social meeting. Lets >> take the whole of the cellar and make it a challenge for us as a group >> [...] to bring Perl programming friends along, maybe to encou

Re: How to optimise slow perl scripts?

2002-02-19 Thread Jonathan Stowe
On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, jo walsh wrote: > > > There must be easier ways than this :-) > > why don't you just throw hardware at the problem? :) > Yeah, lets hand out loads of kit to early adopters of Perl 5.8.0 :) /J\

Re: How to optimise slow perl scripts?

2002-02-19 Thread Jonathan Stowe
On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, Richard Clamp wrote: > On Tue, Feb 19, 2002 at 03:31:17PM +, Nicholas Clark wrote: > > However perlbench went slower because I'd made > > /(.{1,76})/ slower (used in string/base64.t). How many people use {} in real > > regexps? IIRC There are

Re: How to optimise slow perl scripts?

2002-02-19 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Tue, Feb 19, 2002 at 07:15:03PM +, jo walsh wrote: > > > There must be easier ways than this :-) > > why don't you just throw hardware at the problem? :) Because there's this little label on it marked "product warranty will be void if label on the top cover is removed or if the drive exp

Re: How to optimise slow perl scripts?

2002-02-19 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Tue, Feb 19, 2002 at 07:15:03PM +, jo walsh wrote: > > > There must be easier ways than this :-) > > why don't you just throw hardware at the problem? :) I have an old crappy keyboard with a sticky Shift key you're welcome to throw at any other hardware. Paul -- Paul Makepeace ...

Re: How to optimise slow perl scripts?

2002-02-19 Thread Tom Hukins
On Tue, Feb 19, 2002 at 03:31:17PM +, Nicholas Clark wrote: > How many people use {} in real regexps? IIRC There are almost none > in any script used to build perl. I've used it quite often for validating input, for example to check the user entered a number containing y digits/letters. Tom

Re: How to optimise slow perl scripts?

2002-02-19 Thread jo walsh
> There must be easier ways than this :-) why don't you just throw hardware at the problem? :) z

Re: How to optimise slow perl scripts?

2002-02-19 Thread Nicholas. Clark
On Tue, Feb 19, 2002 at 10:05:36AM -0800, Paul Makepeace wrote: > On Tue, Feb 19, 2002 at 03:31:17PM +, Nicholas Clark wrote: > > How many people use {} in real regexps? > > s/(.{1,72})(\s+|$)/$1\n /g; > > (Wordwrap for my sigs.) D'oh! $definition =~ s/(.{74,77},)/$1\n/g; That bit of w

Re: How to optimise slow perl scripts?

2002-02-19 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Tue, Feb 19, 2002 at 03:31:17PM +, Nicholas Clark wrote: > How many people use {} in real regexps? s/(.{1,72})(\s+|$)/$1\n /g; (Wordwrap for my sigs.) Paul -- Paul Makepeace ... http://paulm.com/ "What is Clark Kent without a telephone booth? Anothe

Re: How to optimise slow perl scripts?

2002-02-19 Thread Richard Clamp
On Tue, Feb 19, 2002 at 03:31:17PM +, Nicholas Clark wrote: > However perlbench went slower because I'd made > /(.{1,76})/ slower (used in string/base64.t). How many people use {} in real > regexps? IIRC There are almost none in any script used to build perl. I t

Re: How to optimise slow perl scripts?

2002-02-19 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, Feb 19, 2002 at 01:05:29PM +, Nicholas Clark wrote: > However, I think I'm at the limit of things I can learn from DProf. > What other techniques can I use to figure out where and why it is slow? Devel::Cover now does time coverage, aka profiling. It's pretty basic and pretty new, a

Re: How to optimise slow perl scripts?

2002-02-19 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Tue, Feb 19, 2002 at 02:22:09PM +, Jonathan Stowe wrote: > Build the Perl with the gcc option -pg and then run gprof, and then get > jiggy in pp_hot.c ;-} Mmm. Not tried that. I did try using gcov a while back, and found that if I re-ordered the switch statement in rexexec the regression

Re: How to optimise slow perl scripts?

2002-02-19 Thread Jonathan Stowe
On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, Nicholas Clark wrote: > I have a slow perl script that is currently annoying me. > I have run it under Devel::DProf, and from that have already identified 2 > places where it could be accelerated. > > [4.5% by replacing explicit loops with join ",", upack "C*", $foo > 7.5% b

How to optimise slow perl scripts?

2002-02-19 Thread Nicholas Clark
I have a slow perl script that is currently annoying me. I have run it under Devel::DProf, and from that have already identified 2 places where it could be accelerated. [4.5% by replacing explicit loops with join ",", upack "C*", $foo 7.5% by replacing recursion with a loop] However, I think I'

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2002-02-19 Thread Nicholas Clark
I think that he may be violating the Trades Descriptions Act, or something like that. Either that or Websters has some definition of "easy" that the OED doesn't. Go on, prove me wrong! Nicholas Clark - Forwarded message from Michael G Schwern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - Mailing-List: contact [

Re: [JOB] Oxford area, menial packing work in exciting IT company

2002-02-19 Thread Lucy McWilliam
On Tue, 19 Feb 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Ok, I don't *expect* anyone will be interested in this, but if anyone > does want to spend two days packing CDs into boxes (or whatever) for > 5ukp/hour in Abingdon, let me know :) Try s3ending ti to oxford.pm. Or am I confused? L.

Re: Bolloxia

2002-02-19 Thread Tony Bowden
On Mon, Feb 18, 2002 at 01:37:17PM +, Simon Wistow wrote: > That's just an indication of ignorance. See also Pret a Porter -> Ready > to Wear. cf. "The Madness of King George" Tony

[JOB] Oxford area, menial packing work in exciting IT company

2002-02-19 Thread anthony . fisher
Ok, I don't *expect* anyone will be interested in this, but if anyone does want to spend two days packing CDs into boxes (or whatever) for 5ukp/hour in Abingdon, let me know :) Tony On 19/02/2002 10:38:22 Ed Birney wrote: >Morning all > >Do you have a loved one sitting at home rotting away? Do

Re: Bolloxia

2002-02-19 Thread Simon Wistow
On Tue, Feb 19, 2002 at 10:22:12AM +, Greg McCarroll said: > Bringing this all back to computing, John Sculley, who worked for > Pepsi and was CEO of Apple for a while, was very keen on the taste > test challenge between Pepsi and Coke, the simple reason was that cos > Pepsi was sweeter it won

Re: Bolloxia

2002-02-19 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Peter Sergeant ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Mon, 18 Feb 2002, Roger Burton West wrote: > > > Actually this is first-year Economics (or was on my course anyway). > > Paul's suggestion works in a situation of perfect competition and > > homogeneous goods - e.g. 2 litres of Coke is just as good

Re: Bolloxia

2002-02-19 Thread Struan Donald
* at 18/02 17:57 -0600 Chris Devers said: > > But what then? The more I study this, the more all the sides just sound > hopelessly naive & wrongheaded, but I can't offer any better suggestions. we should all just rememember to be nice to each other and get along :) s

Re: New list: [Bots]

2002-02-19 Thread Newton, Philip
Paul Mison wrote: > * If you think the new list is an amazingly good/bad idea to stop > a lot of posts boring people/cause fragmentation, say so here. I think we need a [Bolloxia] list. And I think I regret having posted the original link :) Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: ANNOUNCE: Pod::Coverage 0.10

2002-02-19 Thread Tels
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Moin, On 18-Feb-02 Richard Clamp tried to scribble about: > There's a new release in town. It scratches off one of the oldest > TODO items, that of counting the docs in the base class(es) towards > your packages coverage. Thanx, much appreciated. Cheers, Te

Re: Bolloxia

2002-02-19 Thread Peter Sergeant
On Mon, 18 Feb 2002, Roger Burton West wrote: > Actually this is first-year Economics (or was on my course anyway). > Paul's suggestion works in a situation of perfect competition and > homogeneous goods - e.g. 2 litres of Coke is just as good as 2 litres of > Pepsi. When you introduce advertisin

New list: [Bots]

2002-02-19 Thread Paul Mison
Hmm, where to start? Well, at the emergency social with Simon Cozens, there seemed to be quite a lot of talk about IRC bots, and how dipsy should do things. A couple of people suggested that it would be a good idea to have a list to discuss them on, so I (finally) set one up yesterday. If you want