Re: The 2002 Perl Advent Calendar

2002-12-02 Thread Jonathan Peterson
Mark Fowler wrote: Doesn't December come round quickly? http://www.perladvent.org/2002/ Hey, that's cool :) -- Jonathan Peterson Technical Manager, Unified Ltd, +44 (0)20 7383 6092 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: The 2002 Perl Advent Calendar

2002-12-02 Thread Tim Sweetman
Mark Fowler wrote: Doesn't December come round quickly? http://www.perladvent.org/2002/ Rght... so you use IO::AtomicFile, and ... at risk of being picky ... 1. Its temporary filename doesn't incorporate anything random, or the process ID. So should you h

IO::AtomicFile (was Re: The 2002 Perl Advent Calendar)

2002-12-02 Thread Mark Fowler
On Mon, 2 Dec 2002, Tim Sweetman wrote: > 1. Its temporary filename doesn't incorporate anything random, or the > process ID. So should you happen to have two processes running > simultaneously (eg. wraparound cron syndrome), you could end up end with > interleaved interleaved content and not be v

[ANNOUNCE] Social meeting, Thursday. Voting closes, Wednesday.

2002-12-02 Thread Paul Mison
On Thursday, 5th December, there will be our monthly social meeting, once more at the Calthorpe Arms, Gray's Inn Road. Please note that if the proposed firefighter's strike commences as planned, the nearest Tube station (Russell Square) will be closed as it is lift-only. There will be, as usual

Re: RMS seminars in London

2002-12-02 Thread Earle Martin
On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 10:10:22AM +, Ben wrote: > > I'm going to both; anyone else? Pub beforehand perhaps? > > I've got tickets for the Tuesday one. I'd be up for meeting beforehand, and > certainly pub after. I'll be at the venue for today's one at 4pm, if anyone else is going and want to

Re: Perl advocacy opportunity ...

2002-12-02 Thread Leon Brocard
Leon Brocard sent the following bits through the ether: > Getting them to accept Perl may be tricky, but feel free to try ;-) Hmmm, I'm sure I wanted to enter this: This year Chris and I entered the Fifth ICFP Programming Contest: http://icfpcontest.cse.ogi.edu/ There's just one question, but it

Re: Film: LotR:TTT

2002-12-02 Thread S. Joel Bernstein
At 30/11/2002 17:56 [], David Cantrell wrote: The Two Towers opens on the 18th. I suggest that I book tickets for the 19th, which is a Thursday. Alternatiely, we could go on Mon 23rd, but that's probably a wee bit too close to christmas for people. Anyway, the film is three hours long, plus tra

Re: Perl advocacy opportunity ...

2002-12-02 Thread Barbie
From: "Jody Belka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > robin szemeti said: > > as a first step, getting plenty of Perl people signed up and making > > Perl'y sort of noises on their 'internet specialist group' would > > probably be no bad thing ... > > > > http://www.isg.org.uk/member.htm > > > I wonder what

Re: Perl advocacy opportunity ...

2002-12-02 Thread Leon Brocard
Barbie sent the following bits through the ether: > The thing that bothers me, and perhaps Leon can clear this up, it does seem > to be weighted on knowing the Windows platform. Are there other operating > systems allowed? Nope, of course not. Leon -- Leon Brocard.ht

Re: Perl advocacy opportunity ...

2002-12-02 Thread Dirk Koopman
On Mon, 2002-12-02 at 15:33, Barbie wrote: > The thing that bothers me, and perhaps Leon can clear this up, it does seem > to be weighted on knowing the Windows platform. Are there other operating > systems allowed? > You mean like VMS or the IBM stuff? That is all rather old hat. Nobody much oth

Re: Perl advocacy opportunity ...

2002-12-02 Thread Barbie
From: "Leon Brocard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Barbie sent the following bits through the ether: > > > The thing that bothers me, and perhaps Leon can clear this up, it does seem > > to be weighted on knowing the Windows platform. Are there other operating > > systems allowed? > > Nope, of course not.

Re: Perl advocacy opportunity ...

2002-12-02 Thread Mark Fowler
On Mon, 2 Dec 2002, Barbie wrote: > Why? I expect the C & Java libs will be standard, so why should Perl be any > different. The NMS project has had to handle the fact they can only use > standard installations of Perl, so I think it would make it more challenging > to work from the same base of s

Re: Film: LotR:TTT

2002-12-02 Thread David Cantrell
On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 03:03:28PM +, S. Joel Bernstein wrote: > At 30/11/2002 17:56 [], David Cantrell wrote: > >The Two Towers opens on the 18th. I suggest that I book tickets for the > >19th, which is a Thursday. Alternatiely, we could go on Mon 23rd, but > >that's probably a wee bit too c

Re: Film: LotR:TTT

2002-12-02 Thread Paul Mison
On 02/12/2002 at 17:07 +, David Cantrell wrote: On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 03:03:28PM +, S. Joel Bernstein wrote: At 30/11/2002 17:56 [], David Cantrell wrote: >The Two Towers opens on the 18th. I suggest that I book tickets for the >19th, which is a Thursday. Alternatiely, we could go

Re: IO::AtomicFile (was Re: The 2002 Perl Advent Calendar)

2002-12-02 Thread Tim Sweetman
Mark, Mark Fowler wrote: eval { print {$fh} $self->bar(); print {$fh} $self->baz(); print {$fh} $self->buzz(); $fh->commit; close $fh; }; if ($@) { ... other error handling code ... } I can see how that would work. If I was the author I'd probably either put it as an option in the

Re: IO::AtomicFile (was Re: The 2002 Perl Advent Calendar)

2002-12-02 Thread Nick Cleaton
On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 11:53:16AM +, Mark Fowler wrote: [SNIP] > my $fh = IO::AtomicFile->new("foo",">") > or die "Can't open 'foo': $!"; > > eval > { >print {$fh} $self->bar(); >print {$fh} $self->baz(); >print {$fh} $self->buzz(); >close $fh; > }; > > if ($@) >

Re: RMS seminars in London

2002-12-02 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 01:00:32PM +, Earle Martin wrote: > On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 10:10:22AM +, Ben wrote: > > > I'm going to both; anyone else? Pub beforehand perhaps? > > > > I've got tickets for the Tuesday one. I'd be up for meeting beforehand, and > > certainly pub after. > > I'll

Re: RMS seminars in London

2002-12-02 Thread Earle Martin
On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 06:37:19PM +, Paul Makepeace wrote: > Could you kindly post a summary to the list? I know I'm not the only one > who was interested but didn't snag a seat in time. I'll be at the other > one too (possibly) with mstevens. Cool. OK. The audience for today's lecture was a

Re: RMS seminars in London

2002-12-02 Thread Earle Martin
On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 08:35:22PM +, Earle Martin wrote: > Next he explained the necessity for the GNU Free Documentation License, and > how it works, and discussed options for allowing reuse of copyrighted > materials. Missed something. At this point he described the necessity for a free enc

Crazy maths proof

2002-12-02 Thread Earle Martin
I saw this and thought of you people, for some reason. - Forwarded message - So I went and found this on a page of math "humor", in particular of bogus proofs. This one ain't bad; a nice variant to a classic. The aim is to prove that 1 = 2. Notice the following: 1

Re: Crazy maths proof

2002-12-02 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 08:46:32PM +, Earle Martin wrote: > and in general: > > x + x + . + x = x^2 > \___ x times ___/ > > Derive in place: > > 1 + 1 + . + 1 = 2 x > \___ x times ___/ > >1 * x = 2 x If you're going to do differentiate a function of

Re: Film: LotR:TTT

2002-12-02 Thread Natalie S. Ford
On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 05:07:59PM +, David Cantrell wrote: > Oh, and when I posted the above - I was kinda hoping people would mail me > off-list with their preferred day. I did... ;-) -- Natalie S. Ford . [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Crazy maths proof

2002-12-02 Thread Earle Martin
On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 09:18:45PM +, Paul Makepeace wrote: > This is totally spurious. /me sends this back to where he got the thing from in the first place. :) -- alarm in tree

Re: Crazy maths proof

2002-12-02 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 09:31:46PM +, Earle Martin wrote: > On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 09:18:45PM +, Paul Makepeace wrote: > > This is totally spurious. > > /me sends this back to where he got the thing from in the first place. :) I should point out I was shooting for "first post" to get it

Re: Film: LotR:TTT

2002-12-02 Thread David Cantrell
On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 09:25:35PM +, Natalie S. Ford wrote: > On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 05:07:59PM +, David Cantrell wrote: > > Oh, and when I posted the above - I was kinda hoping people would mail me > > off-list with their preferred day. > I did... ;-) Natalie gets a gold star. -- L

Re: Film: LotR:TTT

2002-12-02 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Paul Mison ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > another three hours of swoopy fantasy bollocks, > > Of course, that's only my arse talking. Other, more hardy > (Scandinavian, even) arses might be up for the troll-slashing > I do hope the connection between trolls/troll-slashing and your post on thi

Re: Film: LotR:TTT

2002-12-02 Thread David Cantrell
On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 10:22:14PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: > It is the best transfer > to hollywood/film of any major fantasy/sci-fi book I can think of Starship Troopers transferred pretty well, although the lunatic fringe amongst Heinlein's disciple

Re: RMS seminars in London

2002-12-02 Thread Earle Martin
On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 02:01:12PM -0800, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: > Did anyone ask him "Am I free to make a DVD of your presentation?" > > I gave someone on #perl that task... it would put RMS in a double bind. Yeah, that was me. I didn't, I'm afraid... I liked him too much. -- rare aliment

Re: RMS seminars in London

2002-12-02 Thread Randal L. Schwartz
> "Earle" == Earle Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Earle> However, the first question he was asked seemed to perk him up, possibly Earle> because it got his brain going again. A bunch of people asked a number of Earle> questions which I can't possibly remember; Did anyone ask him "Am I fre

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Social meeting, Thursday. Voting closes, Wednesday.

2002-12-02 Thread Mark Fowler
On Mon, 2 Dec 2002, Paul Mison wrote: > On Thursday, 5th December, there will be our monthly social meeting, > once more at the Calthorpe Arms, Gray's Inn Road. Please note that if > the proposed firefighter's strike commences as planned, the nearest > Tube station (Russell Square) will be closed

Re: Film: LotR:TTT

2002-12-02 Thread Dirk Koopman
On Mon, 2002-12-02 at 22:22, Greg McCarroll wrote: > Much like John Prescott apart > from the friendly and impish bit. You obviously haven't met the man. You don't even come close... Dirk -- Please Note: Some Quantum Physics Theories Suggest That When the Consumer Is Not Directly Observing This

Re: RMS seminars in London

2002-12-02 Thread Nigel Hamilton
> A bunch of people asked a number of > questions which I can't possibly remember; however Nigel Hamilton managed to > get a name check for london.pm in when he asked his. Yay Nigel. > Unfortunately, I think he had misunderstood something, as RMS accused him of > having got completely the wrong end

Re: RMS seminars in London

2002-12-02 Thread Simon Wistow
On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 11:55:18PM -0600, Nigel Hamilton said: > In fact, employed properly copyright licences can help propagate > technology ... for example - the GPL itself. > > Why didn't he 'fess' up to this? ... I have no idea ... maybe it wouldn't > be controversial enough? ... but by the