On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 11:59, Andy Wardley wrote:
Robin Berjon wrote:
Hands up who thinks XML Schema sucks?
Now both my hands are up in the air. I'm typing this with my dick.
mental note: do not use andy's keyboard.
i bought the o'reilley book on xml so i could find out definitively what
Nick Cleaton wrote:
On Sun, Aug 24, 2003 at 05:29:02PM +0100, Scott McWhirter wrote:
perl -e 'print `rev`'
Can anyone beat 11 characters?
yeah... remove the space...
Or even perl -e 'exec rev'
Or even perl -eexec\ rev
To reverse file f.tmp, I've tried:
perl
To reverse file f.tmp, I've tried:
perl -e'`rev2`'f.tmp
perl -e'exec rev'f.tmp
perl -eexec\ revf.tmp
rev f.tmp|perl -pe#
To reverse the order of the lines (rather than their content),
can anyone shorten this?
perl -e'print reverse' f.tmp
/-\
http://search.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Search
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Nigel Hamilton wrote:
Most tab-delimited files start with the first row defining the column
headings, so no problems there.
But the escaping problems are pretty much the same. And the absence of enforced
character encoding is a bloody nightmare. US-ASCII people rarely understand the
huge
Now both my hands are up in the air. I'm typing this with my dick.
'winky', surely.
Assuming that you're 'that' Andy Wardley, obviously.
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On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 08:01:02PM -0400, muppet wrote:
about the only benefits i see are
self-documenting data files
It's only self-documenting if it's readable. As soon as you go beyond
the trivial, XML seems to become unreadable.
On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 01:25:41PM +1000, Andrew Savige wrote:
To reverse the order of the lines (rather than their content),
can anyone shorten this?
perl -e'print reverse' f.tmp
perl -pe'reverse'f.tmp
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On 27 Aug 2003 at 10:10, David Cantrell wrote:
On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 01:25:41PM +1000, Andrew Savige wrote:
To reverse the order of the lines (rather than their content),
can anyone shorten this?
perl -e'print reverse' f.tmp
perl -pe'reverse'f.tmp
This calls 'reverse' on each
David Cantrell wrote:
It's only self-documenting if it's readable. As soon as you go beyond
the trivial, XML seems to become unreadable.
Just like Perl. Unless you make the effort to learn it. Oh, just like Perl.
And even with those stock parsers, I have to write so much supporting
code that it
On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 01:25:41PM +1000, Andrew Savige wrote:
To reverse the order of the lines (rather than their content),
can anyone shorten this?
perl -e'print reverse' f.tmp
perl -e 'exec tac' f.tmp
R
On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 10:10:30AM +0100, David Cantrell said:
perl -pe'reverse'f.tmp
rev f.tmp|perl -pe''
... not that these do what I originally wanted to do :)
On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 11:19:07AM +0200, Robin Berjon said:
I wouldn't want to write SVG, or XHTML, or XilBook into a Storable
file.
Presumably SVG into an optimised Storable file would become, if
optimised, SWF. Which is a doddle to parse.
...
Oh, wait.
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Simon Wistow wrote:
On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 11:19:07AM +0200, Robin Berjon said:
I wouldn't want to write SVG, or XHTML, or XilBook into a Storable
file.
Presumably SVG into an optimised Storable file would become, if
optimised, SWF. Which is a doddle to parse.
Doubtful. The rendering of an SVG
It's a an odd request but if people have got examples of heinesously and
pathologically supercited mails then I'd be grateful if they could send
them to me.
Replacing all words to 'foo' is acceptable - I just want to test my
de-superciter against odd cases.
I especially want multiply cited
Sam Vilain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's screwing up the threading!
I'm sorry about that. It's just a lot easier to gate the list to a
newsgroup...
I can see what's going wrong though. It looks like my m2n gateway is
changing all the messageid's to include the name of the newsgroup.
Urgh.
Andy Wardley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
One of these days I'll get around to writing the generic schema
representation tool that I've been thinking about since then.
Something that works independantly of any particular data representation
method like XML.
If you confine yourself to XML, your
On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 11:22:55AM +0200, Philip Newton wrote:
On 27 Aug 2003 at 10:10, David Cantrell wrote:
perl -pe'reverse'f.tmp
This calls 'reverse' on each line in turn, rather than on the entire
file. It also doesn't assign the result of 'reverse' to anything, nor
does it print it.
Dominic Mitchell wrote:
Andy Wardley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
One of these days I'll get around to writing the generic schema
representation tool that I've been thinking about since then.
Something that works independantly of any particular data representation
method like XML.
If you confine
As for file truncation, having to wait for the last XML tag to arrive can
be a showstopper too.
On which planet do you have to do that?
Planets where your module needs to build the whole XML tree in RAM (if it
fits) before you can start processing it - XML::Simple, XML::TreeBuilder,
Nigel Hamilton wrote:
As for file truncation, having to wait for the last XML tag to arrive can
be a showstopper too.
On which planet do you have to do that?
Planets where your module needs to build the whole XML tree in RAM (if it
fits) before you can start processing it - XML::Simple,
Andrew Savige wrote:
This is more hard-core:
#!perl -wlp
use strict;
s;\s+$;;;y;/[-]{}()`';\\]/[}{)('`;;($==y===c)$-($-=$=);
@}=($_,@})}for(map$x-(y---c-$-).reverse,@}){
Improving that:
#!perl -wlp
use strict;
s/\s+$//;y#/[-]{}()`'#\\]/[}{)('`#;$_[y///c]++;
On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 12:52:48PM +0200, Robin Berjon wrote:
Nigel Hamilton wrote:
For example, a bank I previously worked at has trashed a lot of its SOAP
transaction system because it was too slow. The reason? The byte size of
the XML wrappers dwarfed the actual payload of data.
Too
Ben [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
IME the parsing of a non-trivial binary format is a much nastier task than
parsing text, especially structured text like XML.
Vendors are generally pretty shit at providing even a decent interoperable
*text*-based protocol (viz variously and gloriously broken
Ben wrote:
On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 12:52:48PM +0200, Robin Berjon wrote:
Yes, I'm aware of the issue, which is probably why I ended up on the program
committee of this[0] Thing With A Horrible Name :)
[0]http://www.w3.org/2003/07/binary-xml-cfp.html
Pardon me for being thick here, but what
Dominic Mitchell wrote:
An ASN.1 neural implant? ;-)
Yuck.
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On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 02:16:32PM +0200, Robin Berjon wrote:
Ben wrote:
On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 12:52:48PM +0200, Robin Berjon wrote:
[0]http://www.w3.org/2003/07/binary-xml-cfp.html
Pardon me for being thick here, but what possible gains are there for this
in general-purpose use over
On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 10:57:20AM +0100, Simon Wistow wrote:
I especially want multiply cited sources and preferably multiply nested
super cites if such a thing exists.
OK, I shouldn't do this, but...:
No such thing exists because supershiters are too few and far between. If
everybody used
On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 05:41:47PM +0100, Lusercop wrote:
On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 10:57:20AM +0100, Simon Wistow wrote:
I especially want multiply cited sources and preferably multiply nested
super cites if such a thing exists.
OK, I shouldn't do this, but...:
snip thinly veiled personal
Lusercop `the.lusercop'@lusercop.net wrote:
On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 10:57:20AM +0100, Simon Wistow wrote:
I especially want multiply cited sources and preferably multiply nested
super cites if such a thing exists.
OK, I shouldn't do this, but...:
No such thing exists because supershiters
Michael Stevens wrote:
Sun have an article on something they seem to call Fast Web Services,
which appears to be keeping standard web services APIs, but putting
the data in an efficient binary format on the wire at
OK, I shouldn't do this, but...:
Right, you shouldn't, because, as you quite rightly said[1], ad-hominem
attacks help no-one...
+Pete
[1] http://london.pm.org/pipermail/london.pm/Week-of-Mon-20030428/018794.html
Ben wrote:
This would be essentially a form of chunked parsed encoding, no? The idea being
that an app continues to chuck around its data structures in (some possibly
trivially transformed version of) the wire format? So that an 'XML editor' really does
mean that (in some sense) the data is
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003, Robin Berjon wrote:
There is no doubt at all that gzip, bzip, and friends are the best at
compressing any random bitstream. But, when it comes to compressing XML, it's
more than possible to do better (and of course has been done). Given a grammar
(ie a schema) you can
Michel Rodriguez wrote:
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003, Robin Berjon wrote:
There is no doubt at all that gzip, bzip, and friends are the best at
compressing any random bitstream. But, when it comes to compressing XML, it's
more than possible to do better (and of course has been done). Given a grammar
(ie a
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003, Robin Berjon wrote:
Michel Rodriguez wrote:
Oh! You mean re-inventing for XML the markup minimization features that
made SGML too complex?
Yes! large-grin/ Except here it'll be done in a separate space to avoid
complexity-pollution, and we are sworn to use only
Michel Rodriguez wrote:
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003, Robin Berjon wrote:
Yes! large-grin/ Except here it'll be done in a separate space to avoid
complexity-pollution, and we are sworn to use only sensible names and to call a
Name a Name, and never a GI.
You mean a NamespaceURI + a Name don't you? Wasn't
tac
heresySometimes perl ain't the best way to do it./heresy
Mark.
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003, Andrew Savige wrote:
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 13:25:41 +1000 (EST)
From: Andrew Savige [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: golf and reversed emails
To
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003, Mark wrote:
tac
heresySometimes perl ain't the best way to do it./heresy
Mark.
As this thread shows: the original question was how to tersely reverse the
input file in a Perl oneliner. Calling out to a program that does this for
you rather than doing it in pure Perl
On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 09:40:54PM +0200, Robin Berjon wrote:
Come on Michel, you know that I have special powers to make you join *any* thread :)
How come you argue about it here, but not on paris.pm?
I smell a conspiracy. :-)
Mmm. Meanwhile, where are the Esperanto translations? dahut.pm
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003, Nicholas Clark wrote:
On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 09:40:54PM +0200, Robin Berjon wrote:
Come on Michel, you know that I have special powers to make you join *any* thread
:)
How come you argue about it here, but not on paris.pm?
I smell a conspiracy. :-)
I am afraid we
On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 11:56:59PM +0200, Michel Rodriguez wrote:
I am afraid we can argue anywhere, especially in places where we shouldn't
be in the first place.
shouldn't be ? Eh. What's this should not business?
London.pm welcomes anyone. You don't even have to like perl to be a member,
Nicholas Clark wrote:
On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 09:40:54PM +0200, Robin Berjon wrote:
Come on Michel, you know that I have special powers to make you join *any* thread :)
How come you argue about it here, but not on paris.pm?
I smell a conspiracy. :-)
No, we're still teaching Michel how to use
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