and patch sets recovered
from the hard drives of previous Perl release engineers.
Which is really impressive. Thanks Sam.
Nicholas Clark, the manager for Perl 5.8.9 which was released this week,
said I'm looking forward to Git giving me the ability to work either
online or offline. Perforce is great
not
a real birthday party.
Will stripy jelly* for desert do?
[Not available at every Dim Sum restaurant, so may not actually be at HK Diner.
But nearly everywhere has ice cream. And Kake often comes]
Nicholas Clark
* Gosh. I typed that first with a g. I blame a certain IRC nickname.
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 10:56:31AM +, Paul LeoNerd Evans wrote:
On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:41:07 +
Nicholas Clark n...@ccl4.org wrote:
regexps internally became a first class concept in 5.11
Oooh. I wonder, is that why my Devel::Refcount fails everywhere on 5.11,
with wobblies about
the most golfed down Java implementation look like?
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lines. For maintaining real world
code, this is probably actually a feature, rather than a feature)
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Number 1. Cheap, no music, lots of space. Choose 1.
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the current source
[ svn co https://london.pm.org/svn/website-shiny/ IIRC ]
and then submit patches. And then everyone will be happy. All of the time*
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* Your mileage may vary. Warranty not valid in some universes. Emotions are sold
by weight not volume, and may have settled in transit.
that annoys the list admins.
And I forgot say in my previous message joking about heresy by colour,
big thanks to Andy for a large wod of JFDI.
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job done, and tell other people about why it's good
for precisely that. Because without it, our supply of fresh young tasty
BRANES will dry up up and we'll all starve. Or something not entirely unlike
that.
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*Non acholic beverages also available. But no-one seems as obsessed
and
answer it.
I'm going for
What are the 7 classes of unquoted string that are not barewords. I think it's
7. It usually requires a Damian to remember them all. Most I can get.
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if you can crash OS X tar by constructing malicious tar files]
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to drive to san francisco or down the
coast to monterey to be in more interesting territory.
This rumour? http://radar.oreilly.com/2008/10/oscon-moves-to-san-jose.html
OSCON certainly is in San Jose. Whether there is any The Perl Conference
branding is a different matter.
Nicholas Clark
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 11:01:08PM +0100, Philip Newton wrote:
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 15:41, Nicholas Clark n...@ccl4.org wrote:
What are the 7 classes of unquoted string that are not barewords. I think
it's
7. It usually requires a Damian to remember them all. Most I can get.
What
:
http://hop.perl.plover.com/book/
I still owe MJD a review. For now, I will continue to substitute the ::Tiny
version:
Don't just buy this book; read it.
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? :-)
[yes, I suspect i'm going to find myself unsubscribed if I keep this up]
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to be suggesting, you sometimes have to work
with the things designed by people who self-taught themselves programming with
PHP.
Not that there isn't crack out there in the world of codebases written in
Perl. Or, I suspect, in any other language. Except, maybe, APL.
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://london.pm.org/meetings/locations/bridge_house.html
All hail Kake for organising that.
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On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 04:03:53PM +, Lon Brocard wrote:
2008/11/11 Nicholas Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
ftp://ftp.cpan.org/pub/CPAN/authors/id/N/NW/NWCLARK/perl-5.8.9-RC1.tar.bz2
no-one has tested it on *your* work code. And if you don't, and there are
regressions in RC1 that hurt your
every single one of you.
Guinness. Which may or may not be beer in your lexicon.
But anyway, I can reproduce it with 5.8.8, so it's not a 5.8.9-RC1
regression. I can sleep soundly now, safely inside my S.E.P. field.
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- no bug fixes. 5.10 is where the action is.
And no, I'm not out of a job. No sooner have I managed to get rid of that one,
than I get a new one:
http://news.perlfoundation.org/2008/11/tpf_announces_grant_to_david_m.html
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called Matt Trout. mdk is clearly expecting him to
complete the 150 minute tutorial in the same time as the other 3 speakers
that start their talks straight after lunch.
Either that, or the talk is only 30 minutes long, but by the end it will
feel like a 2½ hour eternity.
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that they aren't getting what they were sold.
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/
or, if you can extrapolate appearances by 8 years:
http://flickr.com/photos/gmccarroll/49476450/
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* No, officer, I know nothing.
it any more.
I'm not a list admin, so I can't remove you from the list. But hopefully
there's enough information here to let you remove yourself, assuming that
you've not already done so.
Nicholas Clark
On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 12:43:02PM +0100, Zbigniew Lukasiak wrote:
On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 12:33 PM, Nicholas Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm not a list admin, so I can't remove you from the list. But hopefully
there's enough information here to let you remove yourself, assuming
filter/procmail/whatever recipe that can
identify challenge-response requests, and auto-acknowledge them if they
*weren't* sent by me?
Nicholas Clark
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 02:50:32PM +0200, Rafael Garcia-Suarez wrote:
And honestly, putting the condition in the middle just makes me want
to poke my eyes out with a snail fork.
Are they especially suited to this task?
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to
backronym is)
But I forget the reasoning behind the evolution of the :: to !!
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the subroutine
had when it was compiled.
Nicholas Clark
PS For the purposes of this exercise, beer should be considered to include
Cidah!, because both have the same rate of excise duty.
for rent
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* http://london.pm.org/meetings/locations/edgar_wallace.html
http://london.pm.org/meetings/locations/bridge_house.html
an on-call phone might be useful, rather than relying on any
existing phones, as that means that there is exactly one number to dial to
get help at 4am, and you won't wake the wrong person if two people swap
slots after a rota has been published.
Nicholas Clark
On Wed, Oct 01, 2008 at 10:34:15AM +0100, Nicholas Clark wrote:
On Wed, Oct 01, 2008 at 10:11:05AM +0100, Dominic Thoreau wrote:
2008/9/30 Peter Haworth [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I know this subject has been discussed on the list before, but I can't
[all good points]
Gosh, and then I go
dipsy rule 0 is even if you know the rules, you're still a person
Why are you surprised? :-/
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.
Thursday 2nd October, http://london.pm.org/meetings/locations/bridge_house.html
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* Of something. Quite what is negotiable. You are welcome to consider it your
free 568ml, if that is your wont.
a whole slew of their distributions.
Did they fix them too, or are they still slacking?
(And had Fedora for all Fedoras that ship with perl5.8.8?)
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?
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On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 01:52:31PM +0100, Paul LeoNerd Evans wrote:
By the way, this is perl 5.10. I think it used to work on 5.8.8.
For some value of work which was actually silently fail
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* then the only way to do it is to edit the changeset
as you write your commit message. ie something you can forget.
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I've used seem weak, let alone especially weak.
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yet)
Again, thanks to Kake for organising us space in pubs.
Nicholas Clark
On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 08:11:11AM +0100, Matt S Trout wrote:
On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 06:49:30AM +0100, Nicholas Clark wrote:
On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 12:37:22AM +0100, Matt S Trout wrote:
Hey. Mark Keating, the Shadowcat MD and volunteer for London Perl
Workshop
organising this year
On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 10:43:48AM +0100, Matt S Trout wrote:
On Mon, Sep 01, 2008 at 10:16:42AM +0100, Nicholas Clark wrote:
What RedHat did, and why - your guess is as good as mine. But anyone
commenting about the source, cause, or intent of code changes to the
Perl core itself
/nclark/blead_harness_34237_r1201/ )
Nicholas Clark
On Tue, Sep 02, 2008 at 02:42:37PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
Just a reminder, this is tomorrow ...
please ignore this message for the next 12 hours?
On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 12:01:02PM +0100, James Laver wrote:
On 2008-08-28 11:54, Nicholas Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
PS I'll stick
in Clerkenwell. Somehow, Kake
had a premonition about his dilemma and has already booked him a room,
and arranged for many people to be there:
http://london.pm.org/meetings/locations/crown_tavern.html
Nicholas Clark
to anything running Fedora 9 (or
Fedora anything else) but my understanding is that they have a very clean
build of 5.10.0, so it follows that it cannot have this problem.)
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18 19 20 21 22 23 24 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 20 21 22 23 24 25 26
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PS I'll stick to the between the 1st and the 8th definition because clearly
the dedicated member of negotiable beliefs
On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 11:54:12AM +0100, Nicholas Clark wrote:
January 2009October December
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On Fri, Sep 19, 2003 at 10:11:06AM +0100, Mark Fowler wrote:
It sadens an old dog to declare that his memory be not what it once was,
and in the heat of the moment, o'er come wit the desire not to o'er run,
that he forgot the talk of the very king of the seas himself, Nicholas
Clark this eve
outlet(s) nearby
6: hopefully some booze, or be prepared for use to bring tinnies
should we so wish
No, I don't know of any.
Nicholas Clark
? Beer is already available at many
fine drinking establishments, and people who do not wish to turn up to local
meetings are already catered for by existing mailing lists and web sites.
Nicholas Clark
On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 12:06:16PM +0100, Andy Wardley wrote:
Or I'm totally, definately free next thursday if we want to change
the date or do it again.
You mean that you don't want to come to the london.pm social meeting that
evening?
Nicholas Clark
changes.
Although older versions of CPAN.pm did seem to like to do the automatic
online upgrade game :-(
Nicholas Clark
PS We intend to take Jarkko to the whisky shop and buy things for him when
he's over next week.
peace.
(Or at least until 5.8.2, whichever comes sooner)
If you do test with it, read the section in perldelta on hash randomisation.
Nicholas Clark
.
How about Dorking? It's not a million miles from Guilford.
Then again one could simply declare Debauchery.pm to be an official group
(and encourage it to continue meeting somewhere else)
Nicholas Clark
On Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 11:58:27AM +0200, Robin Berjon wrote:
Nicholas Clark wrote:
There's just been a long thread about this on p5p.
I think that not really is the current answer, and it's proved impossible
to cleanly write down what the order of evaluation is.
In the above line
/JDUNCAN/Pixie-2.06/lib/Pixie.pm
Pixie - The magic data pixie
As Piers is involved in Pixie's development, I keep having this magic
image of the data pixie as a little Piers.
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who the dragon could be, given that dragons usually like
amassing and hoarding treasure. (Although breathing fire seems to be
something else characteristic of a dragon)
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that corresponds to a network
broadcast address prior to classless addressing :-)
eg 195.92.249.255 (zeniiib.linux.theplanet.co.uk)
I believe that no-one on windows will be able to reach that host.
Even on versions of windows written after classless addressing came in.
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to be early with getting
their abstracts/proceedings book done.
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, __PACKAGE__
}
package main;
INC;
Foo::INC;
__END__
mainFoo
Foo Foo
(something worth knowing if you're trying to write INC methods for objects
that are going into @INC)
Nicholas Clark
^^
spam folder, making it very very difficult to spot if I get any false
positives.
Can anyone suggest how one might convince Exim 3 to do this?
How would one do the ditching at SMTP time?
Nicholas Clark
.
All other potential advocacy issues seem to have been covered
(TT2 or not, emacs or vi or something else, OSes, databases, [OT] versus
other languages, to beer or not to beer etc)
and often descend into flame wars.
Nicholas Clark
you guys have about this leather thing ?
I think it's something to do with the slap, er, sorry
smack of leather on willow being the traditional sound of English
summer.
Anyway, something's just gone horribly wrong because we[1]'ve just won a
cricket match. That's not supposed to happen.
Nicholas
of beer on a non-exceptional night a fuck up)
However, if we did go back and they did run out of beer again, then no, we
should never touch them again with a barge pole.
Nicholas Clark
On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 10:47:13AM -0700, Paul Sharpe wrote:
Nicholas Clark wrote:
On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 12:35:47PM +0100, James Campbell wrote:
I was reading Mr Cantrell's Free Press and was very amused and impressed by
the section on Religion.
.
.
.
Uh-oh
On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 12:35:47PM +0100, James Campbell wrote:
I was reading Mr Cantrell's Free Press and was very amused and impressed by
the section on Religion.
.
.
.
Uh-oh, is that a massive bolt of...
What has this got to do with Ben's message on Bad C Source?
Just curious.
Nicholas
as well.
and wxPerl, which seemed to produce native looking MS Windows apps on MS
Windows, and will also work on X if your requirements change in future
(and maybe other places too, I don't know)
Nicholas Clark
of good and evil^Wgoto, Perl 6 will compile down to parrot
bytecode, which quite definitely does have gotos. So even the nicest,
most clean award winning code from the purest best intentioned authors
will be automatically corrupted by the Perl 6 compiler. (Eventually.)
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of decades now
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.
This is making it unlikely that I would buy such a product in the future.
Every bounce is a black mark of stupidity)
Hmm. I wonder if we can spread the FUD to the point of suggesting that
the AV vendor might get sued for defamation.
Nicholas Clark
On Sun, Aug 31, 2003 at 12:15:13PM +0100, Sam Vilain wrote:
On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 16:08, Nicholas Clark wrote;
NC Okay, so is there a module that will produce an identical
NC serilisation of data structures for all versions of perl? As
NC you also want for all versions of the module
version of Perl.
YAML looks like the best bet, but I'm not sure if all these points are
true.
I've no idea. Ask Ingy, I guess. a and c are tough.
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automatic replies when the return path
is in order to avoid establishment of mail loops.
Is this standard mailman replying to ? Or is there something subtle going
on here?
Nicholas Clark
On Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 07:57:26PM +0100, Shevek wrote:
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Nicholas Clark wrote:
In the general case it's likely that different versions of Storable and
Data::Dumper will hash to different values. It's possible that even
They bloody well should. They store the version
not be very good, and it's not free (nothing is), and you may
spend eternity on a trolley, but it doesn't suck completely for AE
Nicholas Clark
On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 05:39:49PM +0200, Robin Berjon wrote:
Nicholas Clark wrote:
On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 09:48:56AM -0500, Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote:
happens if you get hit by a bus and you're alone? How do you expect your
Someone calls and ambulance, and no-one at the hospital worries
:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3186981.stm
That doesn't answer your question directly, but I think that the opposition
fragments because different people object to different levels on the above
list of possibilities
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cause altzheimers or
CJD would be the more worrying problem.)
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still looks
on course to beat both Paris.pm and London.pm
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,
let alone be in London. Although for the sake of public sanity it helps
not to feed the trolls.
Nicholas Clark
On Fri, Aug 15, 2003 at 03:02:27PM +0100, Nicholas Clark wrote:
On Fri, Aug 15, 2003 at 12:46:50PM +0100, Shevek wrote:
On Fri, 15 Aug 2003, James Campbell wrote:
I have managed to lose some source code (ahem) for a script that I packaged
with perl2exe on a Windows 2000 PC. I have seen
substitute in the path of the binary
Er, or you stick all the library in the perl binary. (Still haven't
quite worked how to re-order perl.c so that a static ex::lib::zip can
do this)
Patches welcome, given that this is very low on the p5p TODO list.
Nicholas Clark
On Sun, Aug 17, 2003 at 01:35:42AM -0400, Tara L Andrews wrote:
p.s. No, I have no real idea what I'll do with a master's in Byzantine
history.
Analyse massive over-complex legacy applications written in COBOL?
Oh. Not that sort of Byzantine. :-)
Nicholas Clark
total_size [EMAIL
PROTECTED]::EXPORT'
22680
$ perl -MDevel::Size=total_size -wle 'use POSIX; print total_size [EMAIL
PROTECTED]::EXPORT_OK'
1943
$ perl -MDevel::Size=total_size -wle 'use POSIX; print total_size \%POSIX::EXPORT_TAGS'
23686
(for 5.8.0)
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in the details)
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obfuscated, try Deobfuscate in place of Deparse:
http://search.cpan.org/author/JJORE/B-Deobfuscate/
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it.
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report the doc bug please, if you've not done so already.
(this goes for all bugs. I confess I know of two I've not reported.
My excuse is that as soon as I report them I'll get assigned to fix them.
Lame, particularly as I hope that I can pass them off to crab)
Thanks,
Nicholas Clark
considerable debate, a degree of
consensus was eventually reached. And the name of the chosen pub?
The recruitment consultant's head
I laughed, because to me this conjures up an image of a pub sign showing
an image of said object proudly sitting atop a large spike.
We can only dream...
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that the domain it
generates *doesn't* exist :
Shouldn't something like this go onto CPAN - a module to generate random
e-mail addresses that do not exist.
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else.
I wonder how many previously unknown identical twins (or quadruplets) will
be attending tomorrow.
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stuff (Whatever that might
be) at the social meeting tomorrow night, rather than trying to use
false moustaches/beards/dark glasses to get multiple free birthday beers out
of Mark.
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. Top notch.
How much (if any) of it Linux specific?
ie would most of it apply equally well to any free Unix system, such as
one of the *BSDs, or even commercial Unix with freeware applications
installed.
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to be about having
a party using his hard work as an excuse.
Patches welcome.
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mapcar and mapcaru in it. Feedback most welcome.
I'm not convinced that it's a great idea to sit it in a top level namespace.
Is it about cartography? Or data manipulation?
Apart from that reservation, go for it.
Nicholas Clark
with anything else.
It's probably actually easier to move /usr/bin/perl and /usr/local/bin/perl
out of the way before make install, and then move the one that you want
back afterwards. Mistrust ./installperl? me? never...
)
Nicholas Clark
On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 02:08:23PM +0100, Mark Fowler wrote:
On Fri, 8 Aug 2003, Nicholas Clark wrote:
Shouldn't something like this go onto CPAN - a module to generate random
e-mail addresses that do not exist.
How do you know that the email addresses will never exist? A much better
, and
eval a new subroutine which you splice back into the symbol table. Far
more fun. Acme::Octarine does this.
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.
[I suspect both in terms of liberty of licence and cost of tech support
:-) ]
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