Paul Johnson wrote:
I have occassionally used ?: as an lvalue.
Perlop used to say This is not necessarily guaranteed to
contribute to the readability of your program, but that
seems to have gone from recent versions. Anyone know why?
My guess would be that someone (with a reduced sense
On Mon, Jan 21, 2002 at 06:13:38PM -0800, Paul Makepeace wrote:
[MY RANT]
Guilty as charged, although I'm sure it was unintentional -- a product
of banging out the original script in about five minutes...
Ah, you work for an ISP :)
How about:
next unless
/^[^#]*VirtualHost/
Dominic Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Piers Cawley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
You're still wrong in the oneline case:
if ($foo) { do_foo_stuff() }
else { do_other_stuff() }
Are you sure it isn't:
$foo ? do_foo_stuff() : do_other_stuff();
What? The ternary operator in a
David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 04:23:46PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote:
* Dominic Mitchell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
$foo ? do_foo_stuff() : do_other_stuff();
Ok, this started off as a bit of a joke/troll, however i'm about to
take my own bait
On Mon, Jan 21, 2002 at 09:00:56AM +, Piers Cawley wrote:
I've seen it used as a 'switch' type operator:
$cond1 ? action1() :
$cond2 ? action2() :
$cond3 ? action3() :
...
$condN ? actionN();
and I'm still not sure whether I utterly hate it or not...
$cond1
what? .. with *4* spaces ?? come come mr McCarroll, we all know it is 2
spaces ... :)
Spaces? SPACES?!!! It's called a tab, Tee Ay Bee. Code is indented with
TABs, not spaces. Only bad bad people use spaces to indent.
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Jonathan Peterson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote
what? .. with *4* spaces ?? come come mr McCarroll, we all know it is 2
spaces ... :)
Spaces? SPACES?!!! It's called a tab, Tee Ay Bee. Code is indented with
TABs, not spaces. Only bad bad people use spaces to indent.
... or bad
On Sun, 20 Jan 2002 16:41:10 +
David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 04:23:46PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote:
* Dominic Mitchell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
$foo ? do_foo_stuff() : do_other_stuff();
Ok, this started off as a bit of a
On Sun, 20 Jan 2002 16:41:10 +
David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 04:23:46PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote:
* Dominic Mitchell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
$foo ? do_foo_stuff() : do_other_stuff();
Ok, this started off as a bit of a
Jonathan Stowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I have this problem with Term::Cap that the diffs always report stuff
being different between my (i.e. the CPAN version ) and the core version -
this is always todo with weird white space handling :(
I always use diff -b to ignore such things as me
Ivor Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Jonathan Peterson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote
what? .. with *4* spaces ?? come come mr McCarroll, we all know it is 2
spaces ... :)
Spaces? SPACES?!!! It's called a tab, Tee Ay Bee. Code is indented with
TABs, not spaces. Only bad bad
2002 09:01
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Erm, Hello?
David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I've seen it used as a 'switch' type operator:
$cond1 ? action1() :
$cond2 ? action2() :
$cond3 ? action3() :
...
$condN ? actionN();
and I'm still not sure
Nick == Nick Cleaton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Nick On Mon, Jan 21, 2002 at 09:00:56AM +, Piers Cawley wrote:
$cond1 action1() ||
$cond2 action2() ||
...
works just as 'well'...
Nick Until the day that $cond1 is true and action1() returns '0',
Nick when it breaks mysteriously.
On 21 Jan 2002, Randal L. Schwartz wrote:
Piers == Piers Cawley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Piers But, but, that should be
Piers $foo do_foo_stuff() || do_other_stuff();
And just to make sure my objections are noted in every thread
you say this:
DON'T DO THAT.
Any
Piers == Piers Cawley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Piers But, but, that should be
Piers $foo do_foo_stuff() || do_other_stuff();
And just to make sure my objections are noted in every thread
you say this:
DON'T DO THAT.
Any more than you'd use JAPH or Golf code in production.
On Mon, Jan 21, 2002 at 09:23:44AM +, Nick Cleaton wrote:
On Mon, Jan 21, 2002 at 09:00:56AM +, Piers Cawley wrote:
and I'm still not sure whether I utterly hate it or not...
$cond1 action1() ||
$cond2 action2() ||
...
works just as 'well'...
Until the day
On Mon, Jan 21, 2002 at 12:45:16PM -0800, Paul Makepeace wrote:
Until the day that $cond1 is true and action1() returns '0',
when it breaks mysteriously.
Then you won't like,
No, not a lot :)
#!/usr/bin/perl -wln
next unless /^[^#]*VirtualHost/../^[^#]*\/VirtualHost/
David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
burn the heretic
making me do:
if($foo)
do_foo_stuff(); # note that that is a pointless number of
# spaces, not a tab
else # more arbitrary spacing
do_other_stuff();
instead of my preferred:
if($foo)
* Dominic Mitchell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
$foo ? do_foo_stuff() : do_other_stuff();
Ok, this started off as a bit of a joke/troll, however i'm about to
take my own bait
For what its worth, i think this syntax is one of the worst pieces of
syntax in Perl. If/else is a well
On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 11:23:16AM +, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
Piers Cawley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
You're still wrong in the oneline case:
if ($foo) { do_foo_stuff() }
else { do_other_stuff() }
Are you sure it isn't:
$foo ? do_foo_stuff() : do_other_stuff();
No.
On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 04:41:10PM +, David Cantrell wrote:
The really sick puppies (cough) are those who nest ?: inside each other.
I've seen that. I've had to *work* with code like that... It's
EEVIL...
dha
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It must
On Sun, 20 Jan 2002, Chris Benson wrote:
On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 11:21:17AM +, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
if you want. Generally, all it asks is that you are consistent. Not
an overly hard burden. You can even use tabs if you want, but again,
you have to be consistent.
*I'm*
On Sun, 20 Jan 2002, David Cantrell wrote:
On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 04:23:46PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote:
* Dominic Mitchell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
$foo ? do_foo_stuff() : do_other_stuff();
Ok, this started off as a bit of a joke/troll, however i'm about to
take my own
On Sun, 20 Jan 2002, Greg McCarroll wrote:
* Dominic Mitchell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
$foo ? do_foo_stuff() : do_other_stuff();
Ok, this started off as a bit of a joke/troll, however i'm about to
take my own bait
For what its worth, i think this syntax is one of the worst
On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 05:39:16PM +, Jonathan Stowe wrote:
On Sun, 20 Jan 2002, Greg McCarroll wrote:
[?: DEBATE]
How do we feel about the use of ?: in this code ? Strictly
speaking it's a triple nested ?: but I like the pattern it
makes.
s[
(?: !--.*?--
On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 05:39:16PM +, Jonathan Stowe wrote:
The conditional operator should never be used purely for its side effects
IMO - It should always been an assignment.
I'd agree with that, though I have occassionally used ?: as an lvalue.
Perlop used to say This is not
Har har har. The Dave being addressed in the first note is commonly
known as Evil Dave
David H. Adler wrote:
On Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 08:47:53AM +, Aaron Trevena wrote:
Dave, being evil is no excuse for indenting like a moonshine crazed lemur!
No, I imagine doing anything like a
On Sun, 20 Jan 2002, Nick Cleaton wrote:
How do we feel about the use of ?: in this code ?
I looked at the code and couldn't tell what it was doing. This isn't to
say I couldn't work out what it's doing, but I don't want to have to have
to work out what it's doing - I just want to read and
David H. Adler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Does this make me Good Dave? :-)
No chance.
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watching. - Dorothy Parker
On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 02:19:43PM -0500, David H. Adler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 06:52:54PM +, Sue Spence wrote:
Har har har. The Dave being addressed in the first note is commonly
known as Evil Dave
Oh, I'm very well aware of that...
Does this make me
On Sun, 20 Jan 2002, Dave Cross wrote:
On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 02:19:43PM -0500, David H. Adler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 06:52:54PM +, Sue Spence wrote:
Har har har. The Dave being addressed in the first note is commonly
known as Evil Dave
Oh, I'm very
David H. Adler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Does this make me Good Dave? :-)
No chance.
OK Dave?
l33t dave.
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In addition to requiring a larger percentage than a majority (51%
being a majority), a supermajority can also shoot lasers out of its
eyes. - Mc Call
On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 06:37:03PM +0100, Paul Johnson wrote:
$foo do_foo_stuff();
$foo || do_other_stuff();
As an example of how not to code I hope. Apart from anything else (of
which there is plenty) that's going to give your code coverage fits.
Your path coverage will go
On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 06:37:03PM +0100, Paul Johnson wrote:
On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 11:23:16AM +, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
$foo do_foo_stuff();
$foo || do_other_stuff();
As an example of how not to code I hope. Apart from anything else (of
which there is plenty) that's
On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 09:06:55PM +, Tom Insam wrote:
On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 06:37:03PM +0100, Paul Johnson wrote:
On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 11:23:16AM +, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
$foo do_foo_stuff();
$foo || do_other_stuff();
As an example of how not to code I
On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 11:35:21PM +0100, Paul Johnson wrote:
able to determine this. It is not trivial to formally prove that the
and || stuff actually does mimic the if statement.
Presumably it's made harder by the fact they don't...
P
--
Paul Makepeace
On Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 11:26:43PM +, David Cantrell wrote:
if($foo)
do_foo_stuff(); # note that that is a pointless number of
# spaces, not a tab
else # more arbitrary spacing
do_other_stuff();
do_stuff($foo);
instead of my preferred:
On Sat, 19 Jan 2002, Greg McCarroll wrote:
* David Cantrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
if($foo) { do_foo_stuff(); }
else { do_other_stuff(); }
Now you are being silly, you know it should be ...
if ($foo) {
do_foo_stuff();
} else {
do_other_stuff();
}
this is
Aaron Trevena [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
F On Sat, 19 Jan 2002, Greg McCarroll wrote:
* David Cantrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
if($foo) { do_foo_stuff(); }
else { do_other_stuff(); }
Now you are being silly, you know it should be ...
if ($foo) {
do_foo_stuff();
}
Greg McCarroll wrote:
* David Cantrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
if($foo) { do_foo_stuff(); }
else { do_other_stuff(); }
Now you are being silly, you know it should be ...
if ($foo) {
do_foo_stuff();
} else {
do_other_stuff();
}
this is much much better.
what? ..
On Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 12:25:58AM -0800, Paul Makepeace wrote:
On Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 11:26:43PM +, David Cantrell wrote:
if($foo)
do_foo_stuff(); # note that that is a pointless number of
# spaces, not a tab
else # more arbitrary spacing
On Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 08:47:53AM +, Aaron Trevena wrote:
Dave, being evil is no excuse for indenting like a moonshine crazed lemur!
No, I imagine doing anything like a moonshine crazed lemur is probably
its own reward.
Yet Another Dave
--
David H. Adler - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -
On Fri, 18 Jan 2002, David Cantrell wrote:
I am the person best qualified to decide how my
code should be indented. Anyone else can use $pretty_printer_of_choice.
Go tell COBOL about it :)
/J\
On Sat, 19 Jan 2002, Greg McCarroll wrote:
* David Cantrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
if($foo) { do_foo_stuff(); }
else { do_other_stuff(); }
Now you are being silly, you know it should be ...
if ($foo) {
do_foo_stuff();
} else {
do_other_stuff();
}
Now Now Now
On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 12:02:22AM +, Jonathan Stowe wrote:
#!/usr/bin/perl -P
#define BEGIN {
#define END }
if ($foo)
BEGIN
do_foo_stuff()
END
else
BEGIN
do_other_stuff()
END
Yes I don't know anything about source filters and lord knows what happens
with non block
Chris Benson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote
Been quiet all day tho' ... I was wondering if Penderel were poorly:
obviously not.
As a matter of interest, whom do we tell if Penderel, hence london.pm.org
does go off the air?
Who has keys to buildings and/or root or sysadmin passwords?
This
Chris Devers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
...a job, actually. I just accepted a contract as a Python coder! :)
Does Python have any advantages over Perl?
I have noticed that although Python is more obscure, it seems to have more
commercial take-up in certain places. My present client
On Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 09:14:41AM -, Ivor Williams wrote:
I have noticed that although Python is more obscure, it seems to have more
commercial take-up in certain places. My present client are using it for
test scripts.
Python is a bit like Perl with all the sharp edges filed off. It's
Ivor Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Chris Devers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
...a job, actually. I just accepted a contract as a Python coder! :)
Does Python have any advantages over Perl?
There aren't too many basic differences, although the languages /look/
very different.
robin szemeti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Who has keys to buildings and/or root or sysadmin passwords?
most of the skrip1 k1dd1es on the planet have r00t apparently :)
Ah, but the double 0s mean it's 'special' root.
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Your prize is the latest addition to our new range
On Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 11:08:23AM +, Jonathan Peterson wrote:
I did just that, which means I don't know much about Python. But Ruby is
the only language other than Perl that makes me grin and say Hey,
that's cool on a regular basis*. And from what little I've seen Ruby is
more Perlish in
Rob Partington sent the following bits through the ether:
Or write a TT-Parrot compiler. :-)
Yes, Parrot would make an interesting target for TT, 'cos of the
optimisations it could make. I've been thinking about this somewhat,
but real templates need plugins and objects and such, so we really
On Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 11:06:25AM +, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
holy-war
Python also forces you to indent consistently, which some people seem
to think is a bug, not a feature. :-)
/holy-war
Wouldn't there have to be some vague basis for argument with those
statements for it to be
On Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 04:27:50PM +, robin szemeti wrote:
On Friday 18 January 2002 15:05, David H. Adler wrote:
On Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 11:06:25AM +, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
holy-war
Python also forces you to indent consistently, which some people seem
to think is a bug, not
Chris Devers [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Well in the case of the job I'm taking, it's being used as an alternative
to Java, not Perl, because it is similar to Java in ways that this group
cares about, but it's not restricted to the Java sandbox model. This
allows it to bind better to
On Fri, 18 Jan 2002, Chris Devers wrote:
On 18 Jan 2002, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
Chris Devers [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The O'Reilly book Programming Python on win32 is pretty good at
explaining how to get the most out of Python under win32. It goes
through scripting Word/Excel
On Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 11:34:58AM -0600, Chris Devers wrote:
Damn Thinkpad keyboard. Is there any way to map F1 to ESC for Vim? I'm
going to be hitting the wrong key *a lot*, I can feel it...
:imap F1 ESC
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http://www.pjcj.net
On Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 11:06:25AM +, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
holy-war
Python also forces you to indent consistently, which some people seem
to think is a bug, not a feature. :-)
/holy-war
burn the heretic
making me do:
if($foo)
do_foo_stuff(); # note that that is a pointless
* David Cantrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
if($foo) { do_foo_stuff(); }
else { do_other_stuff(); }
Now you are being silly, you know it should be ...
if ($foo) {
do_foo_stuff();
} else {
do_other_stuff();
}
this is much much better.
Greg
--
Greg McCarroll
On Thu, 17 Jan 2002, Chris Devers wrote:
On Thu, 17 Jan 2002, Chris Benson wrote:
Gone out an got a life? :-)
...a job, actually. I just accepted a contract as a Python coder! :)
Oh I got plenty of Job .
/J\
On Thu, 17 Jan 2002, Chris Benson wrote:
Have you all gone skiing in Val Thorens?
Had your computers re-possessed?
Found some channel showing BtVS series 13?
Nah, you sent that at 8:30pm, thus they were all probably oggling season 6
Willow on skyOne.
fiq
On Thu, Jan 17, 2002 at 09:12:12PM +, Jonathan Stowe wrote:
On Thu, 17 Jan 2002, Chris Devers wrote:
On Thu, 17 Jan 2002, Chris Benson wrote:
Gone out an got a life? :-)
...a job, actually. I just accepted a contract as a Python coder! :)
Oh I got plenty of Job .
On Thu, Jan 17, 2002 at 09:30:13PM +, Rafiq Ismail (ADMIN) wrote:
Nah, you sent that at 8:30pm, thus they were all probably oggling season 6
Willow on skyOne.
:-)
Been quiet all day tho' ... I was wondering if Penderel were poorly:
obviously not.
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