Re: london.pm.org web site - facelifted (v2)

2008-12-18 Thread Andy Wardley
Mark Blackman wrote: What remains for this shininess to be made live? The gate keeper of the London.pm fortress hath just this hour granted me access after much wrangling with the dragons of ssh and walls of fire. Verily now that I have entered shall I proceed to make shiny the castle walls.

Re: london.pm.org web site - facelifted (v2)

2008-12-18 Thread Mark Blackman
On 18 Dec 2008, at 11:46, Jonathan Stowe wrote: 2008/12/18 Mark Blackman : On 14 Dec 2008, at 18:33, Andy Wardley wrote: Léon Brocard wrote: Andy, care to put your changes live? All checked in. It'll need to be built on the target machine. What remains for this shininess to be made li

Re: london.pm.org web site - facelifted (v2)

2008-12-18 Thread Jonathan Stowe
2008/12/18 Mark Blackman : > On 14 Dec 2008, at 18:33, Andy Wardley wrote: > >> Léon Brocard wrote: >>> >>> Andy, care to put your changes live? >>> >> >> All checked in. It'll need to be built on the target machine. > > What remains for this shininess to be made live? Well the only remaining imp

Re: london.pm.org web site - facelifted (v2)

2008-12-18 Thread Mark Blackman
On 14 Dec 2008, at 18:33, Andy Wardley wrote: Léon Brocard wrote: Andy, care to put your changes live? All checked in. It'll need to be built on the target machine. What remains for this shininess to be made live? - Mark

Re: london.pm.org web site - facelifted (v2)

2008-12-15 Thread Andy Wardley
Paul Makepeace wrote: I'd aim for 950-ish width - not much of a sacrifice from 1024 Me Too! 960 is a particularly magical number because it's divisible by 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 10, 12, 15, 16, 20 and 24, so it's a good start for grid-based designs, or anything with columns. And as you say, it'

Re: london.pm.org web site - facelifted (v2)

2008-12-15 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 8:57 PM, Andy Wardley wrote: > Nigel Rantor wrote: >> >> I've already poked Andy about this when he put up the initial version. > > Here's my reply to Nigel, for the benefit of anyone else interested. > > > > Yes. I've always been a fluid-layout kinda guy. 800x600 is ann

Re: be excellent to each other (was Re: I think you meant... (was Re: london.pm.org web site - facelifted (v2)))

2008-12-15 Thread Dominic Thoreau
2008/12/14 Nicholas Clark : > And if I know that you contribute back it's far more likely that I'll > investigate your bug reports straight away, rather than putting them off. > For example, that's why Andy got a very full initial answer very quickly. Mind you, some people will still

Re: london.pm.org web site - facelifted (v2)

2008-12-15 Thread Peter Haworth
On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 21:20:05 +, David Cantrell wrote: > On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 09:17:12PM +, Dominic Thoreau wrote: > > If you could guarantee that full-blown machines would be all that > > was ever used, maybe. But this is simply not true. Plus the dot > > pitch is different, which can re

be excellent to each other (was Re: I think you meant... (was Re: london.pm.org web site - facelifted (v2)))

2008-12-14 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 09:24:05PM +, Andy Wardley wrote: > I welcome testing, feedback and comments, both good and bad. But it is > worth bearing in mind that this is voluntary work and any complaints that > are > *too* vociferous may fall on deaf ears. Or be met with directions to the > s

Re: london.pm.org web site - facelifted (v2)

2008-12-14 Thread Dirk Koopman
Andy Wardley wrote: Nigel Rantor wrote: I've already poked Andy about this when he put up the initial version. Here's my reply to Nigel, for the benefit of anyone else interested. Yes. I've always been a fluid-layout kinda guy. 800x600 is annoyingly narrow when you've got a large monitor,

Re: london.pm.org web site - facelifted (v2)

2008-12-14 Thread Andy Wardley
Dominic Thoreau wrote: If you could guarantee that full-blown machines would be all that was ever used, maybe. But this is simply not true. Plus the dot pitch is different, which can really screw up some layouts. True. I should have quantified that a bit better as referring to typical desktop

Re: I think you meant... (was Re: london.pm.org web site - facelifted (v2))

2008-12-14 Thread Andy Wardley
Nigel Rantor wrote: And I object to this attitude that one is not allowed to voice their opinion on a subject if the subject in question is some form of open/collaborative effort that one has not contributed to. I have no objection to you voicing your objections. And at the same time that doe

Re: london.pm.org web site - facelifted (v2)

2008-12-14 Thread David Cantrell
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 09:17:12PM +, Dominic Thoreau wrote: > On ultra-portable netbooks (like my Eee) and on mobile phones, this > sort of approach can make navigation impossible. > > If you could guarantee that full-blown machines would be all that was > ever used, maybe. But this is simp

Re: london.pm.org web site - facelifted (v2)

2008-12-14 Thread Dominic Thoreau
2008/12/14 Andy Wardley : > But these days, it's considered "officially" OK to assume that 1024x768 is > the lowest common denominator for screen width, which gives you a nicely > sized > bit of content-space to play with. Making it fluid upwards of that tends to > result in wide wide columns that

Re: london.pm.org web site - facelifted (v2)

2008-12-14 Thread Andy Wardley
Nicholas Clark wrote: Whilst we fully support "there's more than one way to do it", the availability of different hues of orange should provide more than enough alternatives. :-) Aha! Well the brown design *is* actually orange! It's exactly the same hue as the orange (30 deg), but de-saturate

Re: london.pm.org web site - facelifted (v2)

2008-12-14 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 07:35:42PM +, Nigel Rantor wrote: > If it was a site I actively used I would complain loudly and vociferously. > > As it is, I don't. So I won't. > > I've already poked Andy about this when he put up the initial version. On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 08:48:43PM +, Nige

Re: london.pm.org web site - facelifted (v2)

2008-12-14 Thread Andy Wardley
Nigel Rantor wrote: I've already poked Andy about this when he put up the initial version. Here's my reply to Nigel, for the benefit of anyone else interested. Yes. I've always been a fluid-layout kinda guy. 800x600 is annoyingly narrow when you've got a large monitor, so a fluid layout wa

I think you meant... (was Re: london.pm.org web site - facelifted (v2))

2008-12-14 Thread Nigel Rantor
Jonathan Stowe wrote: I think you meant "I would submit patches" - strange how sometimes your keyboard goes wrong like that. No Jonathan, I don't mean that. At all. If I meant that I would have said it. Do you see? And I object to this attitude that one is not allowed to voice their opinio

Re: london.pm.org web site - facelifted (v2)

2008-12-14 Thread Jonathan Stowe
On Sun, 2008-12-14 at 19:35 +, Nigel Rantor wrote: > Nicholas Clark wrote: > > On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 06:33:34PM +, Andy Wardley wrote: > > > >> I've added 3 more colour schemes (light brown, teal and purple) for those > >> who find the orange a bit too garish. I've also added a print st

Re: london.pm.org web site - facelifted (v2)

2008-12-14 Thread Nigel Rantor
Nicholas Clark wrote: On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 06:33:34PM +, Andy Wardley wrote: I've added 3 more colour schemes (light brown, teal and purple) for those who find the orange a bit too garish. I've also added a print stylesheet. Heresy! Whilst we fully support "there's more than one way

Re: london.pm.org web site - facelifted (v2)

2008-12-14 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 06:33:34PM +, Andy Wardley wrote: > I've added 3 more colour schemes (light brown, teal and purple) for those > who find the orange a bit too garish. I've also added a print stylesheet. Heresy! Whilst we fully support "there's more than one way to do it", the availab

Re: london.pm.org web site - facelifted (v2)

2008-12-14 Thread Andy Wardley
Léon Brocard wrote: Andy, care to put your changes live? All checked in. It'll need to be built on the target machine. I've added 3 more colour schemes (light brown, teal and purple) for those who find the orange a bit too garish. I've also added a print stylesheet. The stylesheet switcher

Re: london.pm.org web site - facelifted

2008-12-12 Thread Jonathan Stowe
2008/12/12 Léon Brocard : > 2008/12/11 Andy Wardley : > >> How about this? >> >> http://wardley.org/london.pm.org/ > > This is fantastic! > > I would like to point out that my orange is #FF9900, but that's very > close indeed. > > Andy, care to put your changes live? > And if you need any help wi

Re: london.pm.org web site - facelifted

2008-12-12 Thread Léon Brocard
2008/12/11 Andy Wardley : > How about this? > > http://wardley.org/london.pm.org/ This is fantastic! I would like to point out that my orange is #FF9900, but that's very close indeed. Andy, care to put your changes live? Léon

Re: london.pm.org web site - facelifted

2008-12-12 Thread David Cantrell
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 08:12:05AM +, Joel Bernstein wrote: > 2008/12/11 Dirk Koopman : > > Robin Berjon wrote: > > We need a more ecumenical colour. > So purple rather than the more pagan orange? Yes! We should use the appropriate liturgical colour for the season! This has the advantage that

Re: london.pm.org web site - facelifted

2008-12-12 Thread Joel Bernstein
2008/12/11 Dirk Koopman : > Robin Berjon wrote: > We need a more ecumenical colour. So purple rather than the more pagan orange? /joel

Re: london.pm.org web site - facelifted

2008-12-11 Thread breno
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 2:09 PM, Andy Wardley wrote: > Andy Wardley wrote: >> >> I can help there. > > How about this? > > http://wardley.org/london.pm.org/ > > I tarted up the layout and styling a bit, added the glass onion (I'm > determined to get that on at least one Perl site!), Not as deter

Re: london.pm.org web site - facelifted

2008-12-11 Thread Dirk Koopman
Robin Berjon wrote: On Dec 11, 2008, at 18:49 , Dirk Koopman wrote: The glass onion makes me think this is a site about curry. That may simple be the conjunction with the erm... colour. Which is also rather curry like. As opposed to the definite orange it used to be. But then again, what's wr

Re: london.pm.org web site - facelifted

2008-12-11 Thread Robin Berjon
On Dec 11, 2008, at 18:49 , Dirk Koopman wrote: The glass onion makes me think this is a site about curry. That may simple be the conjunction with the erm... colour. Which is also rather curry like. As opposed to the definite orange it used to be. But then again, what's wrong with curry? --

Re: london.pm.org web site - facelifted

2008-12-11 Thread Jonathan Stowe
On Thu, 2008-12-11 at 18:47 +0100, mirod wrote: > Andy Wardley wrote: > > Andy Wardley wrote: > >> I can help there. > > > > How about this? > > > >http://wardley.org/london.pm.org/ > > > > I tarted up the layout and styling a bit, added the glass onion (I'm > > determined to get that on at

Re: london.pm.org web site - facelifted

2008-12-11 Thread Dirk Koopman
Andy Wardley wrote: Dirk Koopman wrote: Personally I would go for a completely different base colour, or stick to the original orange, rather than shift slightly in the yellow/green direction. It's the same orange, at least the strips down the side are. The darker orange bits in the header a

Re: london.pm.org web site - facelifted

2008-12-11 Thread Andy Wardley
Dirk Koopman wrote: Personally I would go for a completely different base colour, or stick to the original orange, rather than shift slightly in the yellow/green direction. It's the same orange, at least the strips down the side are. The darker orange bits in the header are the same hue (30 d

Re: london.pm.org web site - facelifted

2008-12-11 Thread Dirk Koopman
Andy Wardley wrote: Andy Wardley wrote: I can help there. How about this? http://wardley.org/london.pm.org/ I tarted up the layout and styling a bit, added the glass onion (I'm determined to get that on at least one Perl site!), updated some of the content on the "Home" and "About" pages (

Re: london.pm.org web site - facelifted

2008-12-11 Thread mirod
Andy Wardley wrote: Andy Wardley wrote: I can help there. How about this? http://wardley.org/london.pm.org/ I tarted up the layout and styling a bit, added the glass onion (I'm determined to get that on at least one Perl site!), updated some of the content on the "Home" and "About" pages

Re: london.pm.org web site - facelifted

2008-12-11 Thread Denny
On Thu, 2008-12-11 at 17:12 +, Simon Wilcox wrote: > The strap line should be "Perl is Alive!" rather than the shortened > version though, should it not ? No* http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=MFnmT82yGpk * or 'yes', if you want to keep the number of syllables the same rather than keep the use

Re: london.pm.org web site - facelifted

2008-12-11 Thread Simon Wilcox
Andy Wardley wrote: Andy Wardley wrote: I can help there. How about this? http://wardley.org/london.pm.org/ Like it :-) The strap line should be "Perl is Alive!" rather than the shortened version though, should it not ? S.

Re: london.pm.org web site - facelifted

2008-12-11 Thread Denny
On Thu, 2008-12-11 at 16:54 +, David Cantrell wrote: > Looks nice. Minor niggles: > * I don't like all of the new buildings I notice most of them are in the background shade. Coincidence? :) Another minor niggle; I think it should say 'London Perl Mongers' at the top rather than 'london

Re: london.pm.org web site - facelifted

2008-12-11 Thread Paul Makepeace
Looks great! On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 4:54 PM, David Cantrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 04:09:33PM +, Andy Wardley wrote: > > > How about this? > > http://wardley.org/london.pm.org/ > > Looks nice. Minor niggles: > * go large/go small isn't sticky when you chang

Re: london.pm.org web site - facelifted

2008-12-11 Thread Paul Mison
2008/12/11 Andy Wardley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Andy Wardley wrote: >> >> I can help there. > > How about this? > > http://wardley.org/london.pm.org/ In the finest traditions of pointless bikeshedding, what's 122 Leadenhall Street (its stupid nickname is apparently "the Cheesegrater" doing in the

Re: london.pm.org web site - facelifted

2008-12-11 Thread David Cantrell
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 04:09:33PM +, Andy Wardley wrote: > How about this? > http://wardley.org/london.pm.org/ Looks nice. Minor niggles: * go large/go small isn't sticky when you change pages * page too wide - the old one re-flows to fit in smaller windows * I don't like all of the

Re: london.pm.org web site - facelifted

2008-12-11 Thread Robin Berjon
On Dec 11, 2008, at 17:09 , Andy Wardley wrote: Andy Wardley wrote: I can help there. How about this? http://wardley.org/london.pm.org/ Is nice. One nitpick though: the tab links at the top are maybe a too transparent, they seem disabled to me. -- Robin Berjon - http://berjon.com/

Re: london.pm.org web site - facelifted

2008-12-11 Thread Andy Wardley
David Dorward wrote: Can features which only work with JS on be added entirely with JS please? Hmmm... the JS *should* be non-JS friendly because onclick will be ignored by non-JS browsers. The Small/Large is switched on CSS rather than JS, but that will fail if you've got CSS disabled. Eithe

Re: london.pm.org web site - facelifted

2008-12-11 Thread David Dorward
Andy Wardley wrote: Andy Wardley wrote: I can help there. How about this? http://wardley.org/london.pm.org/ Pretty :) Although: Go SmallLarge Can features which only work with JS on be added entirely with JS please? A link to the top of the page that looks like: * Go Sma

Re: london.pm.org web site - facelifted

2008-12-11 Thread Andy Wardley
Andy Wardley wrote: I can help there. How about this? http://wardley.org/london.pm.org/ I tarted up the layout and styling a bit, added the glass onion (I'm determined to get that on at least one Perl site!), updated some of the content on the "Home" and "About" pages (including how to chec

Re: london.pm.org web site - facelifted

2008-12-11 Thread Denny
On Thu, 2008-12-11 at 16:09 +, Andy Wardley wrote: > Andy Wardley wrote: > > I can help there. > > How about this? New Perl Slogan FTW :)

Re: london.pm.org web site

2008-12-10 Thread Martin Robertson
2008/12/10 Aaron Trevena <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > 2008/12/10 Andy Wardley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> >> Alright my loves, you've got as long as it takes to shake >> up the london.pm.org web site... starting from... now! >> > > My dad was on

Re: london.pm.org web site

2008-12-10 Thread Aaron Trevena
2008/12/10 Andy Wardley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Aaron Trevena wrote: >> >> My dad was on the Generation Game, I think he was demonstrating >> carving a swan out of ice. > > Did he do well? To my horror, the internet knows *all*! http://www.tv.com/the-generation-game/larry-graysons-generation-game/

Re: london.pm.org web site

2008-12-10 Thread Andy Wardley
Aaron Trevena wrote: My dad was on the Generation Game, I think he was demonstrating carving a swan out of ice. Did he do well? A

Re: london.pm.org web site

2008-12-10 Thread Jasper
2008/12/10 Joel Bernstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > 2008/12/10 Aaron Trevena <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> 2008/12/10 Andy Wardley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >>> >>> Alright my loves, you've got as long as it takes to shake >>> up the london.pm.org

Re: london.pm.org web site

2008-12-10 Thread Peter Corlett
On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 04:46:34PM +, Joel Bernstein wrote: > 2008/12/10 Aaron Trevena <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: [...] >> My dad was on the Generation Game, I think he was demonstrating carving a >> swan out of ice. > How did the swan get into the ice in the first place? Somebody overfed it and it

Re: london.pm.org web site

2008-12-10 Thread Joel Bernstein
2008/12/10 Aaron Trevena <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > 2008/12/10 Andy Wardley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> >> Alright my loves, you've got as long as it takes to shake >> up the london.pm.org web site... starting from... now! >> > > My dad was on

Re: london.pm.org web site

2008-12-10 Thread Aaron Trevena
2008/12/10 Andy Wardley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Alright my loves, you've got as long as it takes to shake > up the london.pm.org web site... starting from... now! > My dad was on the Generation Game, I think he was demonstrating carving a swan out of ice. That

Re: london.pm.org web site

2008-12-10 Thread Andy Wardley
y angle 4) It doesn't mention the secret Perl verbal handshake I can help there. Alright my loves, you've got as long as it takes to shake up the london.pm.org web site... starting from... now! A

Re: london.pm.org web site

2008-12-10 Thread Jonathan Stowe
2008/12/10 Léon Brocard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > London.pm has done many great things in the past. We shall do great > things in the future. Let's concentrate for now on something that we > have the power to change in the short term. > > http://london.pm.org/ is our web site. It's orange, which is ni

Re: london.pm.org web site

2008-12-10 Thread Léon Brocard
2008/12/10 Léon Brocard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > You can check out the website code using Subversion: svn co > https://london.pm.org/svn/website/ Sorry, this should be svn co https://london.pm.org/svn/website-shiny/ Léon

london.pm.org web site

2008-12-10 Thread Léon Brocard
London.pm has done many great things in the past. We shall do great things in the future. Let's concentrate for now on something that we have the power to change in the short term. http://london.pm.org/ is our web site. It's orange, which is nice. However, I can spot a few things that we can impro

Re: New London.pm.org web site live!

2001-06-22 Thread Philip Newton
Piers Cawley wrote: > Paul Mison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On 22/06/2001 at 10:30 +0100, Philip Newton wrote: > > > Mostly because of this. No steenking fixed-size fonts, OK? > > > (And no fixed font name, either, for that matter!) If I have > > > bad eyesight and want a larger font, or

Re: New London.pm.org web site live!

2001-06-22 Thread Piers Cawley
Paul Mison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 22/06/2001 at 10:30 +0100, Philip Newton wrote: > >Paul Makepeace wrote: > > > >> Very pretty. > > > >I disagree. > > My take: it looks nice, except for the fact I keep my browser windows > nice and narrow (~600px) so it needs to be scrolled right->lef

Re: New London.pm.org web site live!

2001-06-22 Thread Natalie Ford
On Fri, Jun 22, 2001 at 11:30:10AM +0200, Philip Newton wrote: > Mostly because of this. No steenking fixed-size fonts, OK? (And no fixed > font name, either, for that matter!) If I have bad eyesight and want a > larger font, or if my favourite font is not one of the list and needs a > bigger size

Re: New London.pm.org web site live!

2001-06-22 Thread Chris Heathcote
on 22/6/01 10:48 am, Paul Mison wrote: > Any decent web browser can be told to ignore stylesheets, so why not > just do that, if you care so much? Or are you talking about a > hypothetical user who has these issues but doesn't know how to > configure their software? The bad things about it is th

Re: New London.pm.org web site live!

2001-06-22 Thread Paul Mison
On 22/06/2001 at 10:30 +0100, Philip Newton wrote: >Paul Makepeace wrote: > >> Very pretty. > >I disagree. My take: it looks nice, except for the fact I keep my browser windows nice and narrow (~600px) so it needs to be scrolled right->left to read everything. If I cared enough I'd send in my own

Re: New London.pm.org web site live!

2001-06-22 Thread Leo Lapworth
Philip, I'll email you the top and bottom bit and the style sheet so you can set it up as you think it should be. Cheers Leo On Fri, Jun 22, 2001 at 11:30:10AM +0200, Philip Newton wrote: > No steenking fixed-size fonts, OK? (And no fixed > font name, either, for that matter!) If I have bad ey

Re: New London.pm.org web site live!

2001-06-22 Thread Philip Newton
Leo Lapworth wrote: > Comments etc to [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://london.pm.org/about/faq.html =~ s/One day we hope to move the list to it.//; The list is already hosted on the server :) Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not

Re: New London.pm.org web site live!

2001-06-22 Thread Philip Newton
Paul Makepeace wrote: > On Thu, Jun 21, 2001 at 10:01:12PM +0100, Leo Lapworth wrote: > > http://london.pm.org/ > > Very pretty. I disagree. > /style.css: > > .bold { color: #1e2d39; font-style: normal; font-weight: bold; > font-size: 10px; font-family: Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Helvetica }

Re: New London.pm.org web site live!

2001-06-22 Thread Natalie Ford
On Fri, Jun 22, 2001 at 08:49:24AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: > how about putting it under CVS then, with the script that > `publishes' the files being run only by Leo(or others) in > his role of webmaster/QA of the web? In my capacity as unofficial QA of the site, I think this is a great idea

Re: New London.pm.org web site live!

2001-06-22 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Leo Lapworth ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > Probably, but it works and as the guy doing the design did it > for free, and has nothing todo with perl, or even London.pm other > than he's my mate, I'm thankful :) i like the design a lot, and if your mate ever makes it to a meeting he can expect

Re: New London.pm.org web site live!

2001-06-22 Thread Leo Lapworth
On Thu, Jun 21, 2001 at 02:31:14PM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote: > /style.css: > > .bold { color: #1e2d39; font-style: normal; font-weight: bold; > font-size: 10px; font-family: Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Helvetica } > > (.bold is overkill, IMO, is a valid XHTML tag... Or perhaps more > specifi

Re: New London.pm.org web site live!

2001-06-21 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Thu, Jun 21, 2001 at 10:01:12PM +0100, Leo Lapworth wrote: > Well, I think the subject says it all. > > http://london.pm.org/ Very pretty. /style.css: .bold { color: #1e2d39; font-style: normal; font-weight: bold; font-size: 10px; font-family: Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Helvetica } Heh he

New London.pm.org web site live!

2001-06-21 Thread Leo Lapworth
Well, I think the subject says it all. http://london.pm.org/ Comments etc to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Also content very welcome, let me know if you want to add something so we can work out the easyest yea. Leo