Re: Tempo / Performance speed

2004-06-12 Thread Jon Murphy
Vance and Ed, I had promised myself to stop commenting so often, but Vance's comments bring back a memory. I was trained musically by an old curmudgeon, the church choirmaster in the Episcopal church in a small town in New Jersey. I joined the choir at age 10 in 1945, not for the glory of God or

Re: Aquafortis

2004-06-12 Thread Jon Murphy
I don't remember the nitric versus the hydocholric acid (although I do remember my hands turning brown from pure nitric acid). But I do remember that a fine furniture man, Mario Lauria, used a dilute mix of Potash - which I think would make a nitric acid - to turn the wood without stain. We made a

Re: a rose by any other name

2004-06-12 Thread Jon Murphy
Stewart, What you say here is universal. Words too often define the idea. I have often been surprised at how important the word for something is. The word may even become more important than the thing it represents. From time to time I play my theorbo in a concert. Sometimes people ask me

Re: Tempo / Performance speed

2004-06-12 Thread Jon Murphy
Toby, Nicely said. Best, Jon - Original Message - From: Toby [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: G.R. Crona [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: lute [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 1:56 PM Subject: Re: Tempo / Performance speed G.R. Crona wrote: Hi gang, I'm playing some golden age and

Manuscript of Per Brahe - Skokloster

2004-06-12 Thread Thomas Schall
Thanks to all who responded to my request. It's always exciting to experience the power of knowledge on this list. The article (Hanns-Peter Mederer, Deutsche Musiker an schwedischen Residenzen des 17.Jahrhunderts, Concerto 194) tells this ms an exciting example of a swedish nobleman collecting

Re: Tempo / Performance speed

2004-06-12 Thread Thomas Schall
I read Toby's mail as if he would suggest a certain liberty regarding the speed of a piece even *within* a piece (agogic). I don't think this is a good idea to incorporate in renaissance music. As far as I know the idea of music as speach first appeared in the french baroque. Here it could work

Re: a rose by any other name

2004-06-12 Thread Thomas Schall
I didn't mean to imply it was the vihuela of the conquistadores just build after the model of them. I think the real instrument would have been to expensive for the common people to affort so they made their own instrument copying the idea of the noble instrument of the rich. Best wishes Thomas

e-mail address of a lutenist

2004-06-12 Thread Jose-Luis Rojo
Please, Does somebody know the e-mail address of the lutenist Emily Rogers? To respond off list, thank you. Saludos, Jose-Luis

Re: a rose by any other name

2004-06-12 Thread G.R. Crona
Hi bill, vihuela of the conquistadores, to me would imply that, as they had to travel, (often arditiously) this would be a kind of early travelling instrument, therefore smaller in size than the normal vihuela. Interesting implications for the organologists! (like f.ex. today's Martin Backpacker

Re: a rose by any other name

2004-06-12 Thread Roman Turovsky
Well, I don't think original south Americans had any necessity of playing Spanish music, is that's what you meant. I am not sure at what point exactly attraction turns into necessity, but if it didn't we wouldn't have HANAC PACHAP and other goodies of the sort.. RT __ Roman M.

Re: a rose by any other name

2004-06-12 Thread Ariel Abramovich
Well, I don't think original south Americans had any necessity of playing Spanish music, is that's what you meant. I am not sure at what point exactly attraction turns into necessity, but if it didn't we wouldn't have HANAC PACHAP and other goodies of the sort.. RT That's right, but

Re: a rose by any other name

2004-06-12 Thread Roman Turovsky
Well, I don't think original south Americans had any necessity of playing Spanish music, is that's what you meant. I am not sure at what point exactly attraction turns into necessity, but if it didn't we wouldn't have HANAC PACHAP and other goodies of the sort.. RT That's right, but

Re: a rose by any other name

2004-06-12 Thread Thomas Schall
I think it could have been that in south america as elsewhere the common people were somehow attracted by the music of the rich and imitated them (as well as vice versa the folk music had influence on the music of the rich - for example see the sarabanda). Also I guess musicians were usually

Re: a rose by any other name

2004-06-12 Thread Ariel Abramovich
My understanding that Jesuit approach at the Missiones was not exactly definable as colonization in the strict sense of the word, and the music there was the part that was meaningful to the both parties involved... RT I should give more reading to the subject, but it is true that the

Re: Tempo / Performance speed

2004-06-12 Thread isabelle villey
What is the consensus on tempo? Did they play the lute pieces slower than us? It is difficult to answer this question because there are very few theoretical documents about the tempo of performance. However, I had a look to Juan Bermudo's DeclaraciĆ³n (1555), and I think we can point out

Re: a rose by any other name

2004-06-12 Thread bill
from what i've read about the conquistadors in south america i think they were savage to the alpha indigenous people who put up resistance but were considered as a god send by the b and c tribes who suffered under them. some tribes subservient to the aztec were treated more or less as a crop

Re: Sibelius

2004-06-12 Thread Alain Veylit
Hi all, I was wondering if there are users of the Sibelius G7 program and how well it works for Renaissance lute, Thanks, Alain

R: Manuscript of Per Brahe - Skokloster

2004-06-12 Thread Francesco Tribioli
Was it this Tycho that has the large crater on the moon named after him? Sure, it is. Tycho designed many instruments and was the first to do very accurate astronomical observations. His observations of the motion of the planets were used by Kepler to formulate his famous three laws. The most