Re: Flow my Tears

2005-04-01 Thread Benjamin Stehr
Hi Mark, Hi Tom, Thanks for the interesting information about Raleigh! The article mentioned by Mark seems to be in: EMM Jan 1983 # 11.1: New light on John Dowland's songs of darkness I should be able to get it from a local library. Thanks for your help, Benjamin To get on or off this list

Re: sketches of spain lute

2005-04-01 Thread Ed Durbrow
does anyone play jazz lute? Google up Fred Hand. I wouldn't vouch quality though RT Fred plays lute now? -- Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

Re: memorization

2005-04-01 Thread gary digman
To paraphrase William Count Basie, 'I do what I like to do. If I'm competent, that's great. If not, I'm doing what I like to do. Gary - Original Message - From: Michael Thames [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gary digman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Thursday,

Re: memorization/Re: Gallot speaks...

2005-04-01 Thread Ed Durbrow
Marion wrote: I don't believe it is necessary to have a lot of theoretical knowledge though. If you can explain it to your self you are analyzing. A teacher once told me, 'analysis is making the best case for the piece.' It may be as simple as describing it in mundane terms: it goes up the

Re: memorization

2005-04-01 Thread gary digman
You wouldn't sell 7 CDs at $15-$20 per CD. So a significant number of people now enjoying Weiss and Barto would not be. Gary - Original Message - From: Michael Thames [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lute net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Denys

Re: sketches of spain lute

2005-04-01 Thread gary digman
Dear Michael; I hope you don't mind me addressing you as Michael. Why do you think jazz and lute are mutually exclusive? Improvisation was a very significant aspect of renaissance and early baroque musical life, according to my understanding. The jazz interpretation of eighth notes is

jazz lute

2005-04-01 Thread bill kilpatrick
i proposed this last year but perhaps it may be of interest to propose it again. every summer we have a small jazz festival in our town, sarteano (pop.: 4000-something) in tuscany in the prov. of siena. i talked to sergio bologni, the local chemist who organizes the festival, about having a

Re: memorization

2005-04-01 Thread James A Stimson
Dear All: Just for the record, Ronn McFarlane has performed entire concerts from memory. This has sometimes included some of his own compositions -- which of course is an entirely different thing regarding memorization -- but also many 16th century classics and his Scottish repertoire.

Re: mesmerization

2005-04-01 Thread Roman Turovsky
you are mixing up apfel and pomeranz. No orchestra ever plays from memory. But every orchestra is concerned about the professional stage presence of its musicians (or, as seems to be the fashion around here, musician's); which was the immediate subject at hand. Orchestras (or orchestra's)

Re: mesmerization

2005-04-01 Thread Daniel F Heiman
On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 21:48:29 -0500 Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I wonder if lute concerts will ever be on the level of guitar concerts where lutenist's have the proper professional stage presence to not be staring at their music all the time. This might give them more

Re: Woodworking question.

2005-04-01 Thread Tim Beasley
It sounds more and more like you want a lute-Soloette. Jon's getting you real close to it. If you'll willing to all the trouble of using wrest pins and fixing a nut/saddle of some type, why not just build a mock-up lute? Fix the strings at one end, get a couple sets of cheap guitar tuners

Re: Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: memorization

2005-04-01 Thread Michael Thames
Thomas, By the term sign off I simply meant Did Bach give his approval. From what you say then, Bach wrote out the Tablature, or signed his name. Does that include the rest of the pieces that Schouster published as well or just the G minor suite? Michael Thames www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com

Re: sketches of spain lute

2005-04-01 Thread Michael Thames
Gary, BTW, do you know Bruce Dunlap? Michael Thames www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com - Original Message - From: gary digman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 3:00 AM Subject: Re: sketches of spain lute Dear Michael; I hope you don't mind me

Re: Antwort: Re: mesmerization

2005-04-01 Thread Roman Turovsky
what did Pontius Pilatus say about that topic? Doesn't he simply question What's truth? ? Siding with PP is not the best strategic choice. If someone makes statements about good or bad (music) I think it's necessary to give reasons for this opinion. There are many affiniciados of

RE: Antwort: Re: memorization

2005-04-01 Thread timothy motz
Thomas, I think that most of the expense in putting out a CD comes from marketing the CD, not in physically producing it. Judging from his website, Ed Durbrow does professional level recording in his home. I once had a neighbor who did the same thing (with rock music, unfortunately). I've tried

Re: memorization

2005-04-01 Thread Michael Thames
You wouldn't sell 7 CDs at $15-$20 per CD. So a significant number of people now enjoying Weiss and Barto would not be. Gary I don't know, but I really think this is the future of recordings. I have friends in the guitar world that are making a small fortune. And will play anywhere for

Re: Antwort: Re: memorization

2005-04-01 Thread Michael Thames
Timothy wrote, Record companies decide which bands will have a market and those are the ones they push. The same thing happens in book publishing. This also why Paul Odette's latest CD has three Bach suites, and one Weiss. They know where their bread is buttered. Michael Thames

Re: sketches of spain lute

2005-04-01 Thread Michael Thames
Dear Michael; I hope you don't mind me addressing you as Michael. Why do you think jazz and lute are mutually exclusive? Improvisation was a very significant aspect of renaissance and early baroque musical life, according to my understanding. The jazz interpretation of eighth notes is very

Re: Antwort: Re: sketches of spain lute

2005-04-01 Thread Michael Thames
Juerg and I are playing several jazz pieces and are toying with the idea to make a complete program out of it (Juerg was a professional jazz guitarist before raising to the lute). Thomas Instead of that why not a nice arrangement of a good old English lute and recorder piece Stair Way To

Re: Antwort: Re: memorization

2005-04-01 Thread Michael Thames
I do not know if my judgment is heretic, but between a Bach's or Weiss' CD I have no doubts... Weiss is really interesting, but Bach is a genius Paolo Yes, I wonder who the next genius to make an all Bach lute recording is going to be. I respectfully disagree, on the lute Weiss wins,

Re: Antwort: Re: memorization

2005-04-01 Thread Roman Turovsky
I do not know if my judgment is heretic, but between a Bach's or Weiss' CD I have no doubts... Weiss is really interesting, but Bach is a genius Paolo Yes, I wonder who the next genius to make an all Bach lute recording is going to be. Karamazov or Mascardi. RT To get on or off this

Re: memorization

2005-04-01 Thread Ed Durbrow
I would like some definite information on the true extent of the lute rep. I hear, for instance about the English Golden Age. How many printed sources? 4? 5? How many manuscripts, and in those ms. How many pieces that are repeated. D. A. Smith in _A History of the Lute_ says in the Epilog

Re: Antwort: Re: memorization

2005-04-01 Thread Dr. Marion Ceruti
I agree with Michael that Weiss wins on lute, but as so many things are, this is a matter of personal preference. If I had to select a composer who is most responsible for the renewed interest in baroque lute today, it would be Weiss. Bach's music is very beautiful and fun to play but it is not

Re: Antwort: Re: memorization

2005-04-01 Thread Michael Thames
I agree with Michael that Weiss wins on lute, but as so many things are, this is a matter of personal preference. If I had to select a composer who is most responsible for the renewed interest in baroque lute today, it would be Weiss. Bach's music is very beautiful and fun to play but it is not

Re: mesmerization

2005-04-01 Thread Howard Posner
Michael Thames wrote: try repeating the words, solo solo,,, solo,,, this may help. It doesn't, though the absence of plurals with apostrophes is heartening. Is a violinist playing a Beethoven sonata playing solo? If he is, does he lack professional stage presence if he has the music in

Re: memorization

2005-04-01 Thread Ed Durbrow
Could it then be there are actually 5000 lutenist in the world? If you count everyone who owns a lute, probably a lot more. We had this discussion a year or more ago on the LuteNet. cheers, -- Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ To get on or off this list see list

Re: mesmerization

2005-04-01 Thread Michael Thames
Give it up Howard! I've lost interests in you trying to interject the philharmonic, into historical lute performance. Maybe try another angle. Michael Thames www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com - Original Message - From: Howard Posner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lute net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent:

Re: Antwort: Re: memorization

2005-04-01 Thread Michael Thames
Thank you, Michael for your kind words. I believe that many people agree with us that not only does Weiss music sound good but feels good to play under the fingers. You can tell that it was written for baroque lute. Best regards, Marion Absolutely, My lute has a scale of 73cm very

Re: Antwort: Re: mesmerization

2005-04-01 Thread Thomas Schall
Am Freitag, 1. April 2005 17:26 schrieb Roman Turovsky: what did Pontius Pilatus say about that topic? Doesn't he simply question What's truth? ? Siding with PP is not the best strategic choice. ;-) Even liner notes of HK cd's mention him as a substandard composer (no less than

Re: Antwort: Re: memorization

2005-04-01 Thread Thomas Schall
actually I think the effort to study Bach's work isn't justified by the result. I just played a bit of it for two reason's: It was unwritten rule at the conservatory to play a piece by Bach in the exams and I wanted to prove to myself that I would be able to pass them and second I wondered why

Re: mesmerization

2005-04-01 Thread Dr. Marion Ceruti
You can't tell whether muscicians are playing from memory just because they have music in front of them. Before specializing in strings, I played the clarinet in various bands. I always memorized all of the music and put the sheet notation in front of me just because everyone else did it and also

Re: Antwort: Re: sketches of spain lute

2005-04-01 Thread Thomas Schall
Actually we thought - apart of such standards - mainly on using some of Kapsbergers themes (Canario, Kapsberger, CHiaconna) and make some nice music out of it. And I already am playing For Nenette by Evans, some ragtimes (although not really jazz) and other jazz standards. You know I've

Re: memorization

2005-04-01 Thread Ed Durbrow
Joseph Mayes wrote: some duplication? I would say much duplication. Julia Craig McFeely addresses this issue. I forgot the number, but it may be less duplication than you think. Anybody? -- Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ To get on or off this list see list

Re: Antwort: Re: memorization

2005-04-01 Thread Thomas Schall
Evangelina Mascardi already did a record of Bach Thomas Am Freitag, 1. April 2005 18:27 schrieb Roman Turovsky: I do not know if my judgment is heretic, but between a Bach's or Weiss' CD I have no doubts... Weiss is really interesting, but Bach is a genius Paolo Yes, I wonder

Re: Antwort: Re: memorization

2005-04-01 Thread Roman Turovsky
Evangelina Mascardi already did a record of Bach Thomas But it includes some SLW as well. RT Am Freitag, 1. April 2005 18:27 schrieb Roman Turovsky: I do not know if my judgment is heretic, but between a Bach's or Weiss' CD I have no doubts... Weiss is really interesting, but Bach is

Re: Antwort: Re: mesmerization

2005-04-01 Thread Roman Turovsky
Even liner notes of HK cd's mention him as a substandard composer (no less than Lislevand's). I know but to quote again someone whom I perhaps better should not quote. Nitsche said if everyone is holding the same opinion they still are not necessary right. To quote from the booklet of

Re: memorization

2005-04-01 Thread Ed Durbrow
Dear All: Just for the record, Ronn McFarlane has performed entire concerts from memory. This has sometimes included some of his own compositions -- which of course is an entirely different thing regarding memorization How so? -- Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/

Re: sketches of spain lute

2005-04-01 Thread James A Stimson
Dear Michael, Gary and All: I saw the Who in 1971 _ at the peak of their powers _ and they played all that Live at Leeds stuff, plus material from the as-yet-unreleased Who's Next. A transcendental experience for a 14-year-old! Best live album ever! So who needs jazz? Cheers, Jim

Re: Antwort: Re: sketches of spain lute

2005-04-01 Thread Michael Thames
Thomas, I'm really serious, Stair Way to heaven would be a hit. For lute and a melody instrument. I'm sure allot of us on this list have kids whom we have guided in the direction of lute or guitar, this would help. My son, 14 years old, plays cello with the youth orchestra here in Taos, and

Re: sketches of spain lute

2005-04-01 Thread Michael Thames
Dear Michael, Gary and All: I saw the Who in 1971 _ at the peak of their powers _ and they played all that Live at Leeds stuff, plus material from the as-yet-unreleased Who's Next. A transcendental experience for a 14-year-old! Best live album ever! So who needs jazz? Cheers, Jim Jim you lucky

Re: Woodworking question.

2005-04-01 Thread Christopher Schaub
Actually, it's pretty difficult to fly to Europe with a 10c lute. The size restrictions can be very tough. I just heard a horror story about a lute having to be checked in a US trans-continental flight! The horrors. The venues in the US are generally terrible for lutes anyway so maybe an amplified

RE: Antwort: Re: memorization

2005-04-01 Thread Ed Durbrow
I think that most of the expense in putting out a CD comes from marketing the CD, not in physically producing it. Judging from his website, Ed Durbrow does professional level recording in his home. Thank you. I've tried voice (spoken word) recording using a laptop and a TASCAM interface and was

Re: sketches of spain lute (becoming OT)

2005-04-01 Thread Thomas Schall
Now I really feel young! in 71 I was 6 years old and enjoyed Deep Purple, Genesis and Tull (all of them still among my favorites - very OT: If someone wants to watch a Genesis show: there is a canadian cover band The Musical Box touring with the original shows of Foxtrott, The Lamp lies down on

Re: Antwort: Re: memorization

2005-04-01 Thread Michael Thames
BTW, Roman, the Who are a rock band consisting of four guys, one playing guitar, one on Bass, a funny drummer , and a Messo soprano, at times. They wrote probably the best most popular opera of the century. At least according to record sales. However, they've been known to play variations

OT: memorization

2005-04-01 Thread Tony Chalkley
Dear Michael, BTW, Roman, the Who are were - two of them are dead a rock band consisting of four guys, one playing guitar, one on Bass, a funny drummer , and a Messo soprano, at times. and the two left are a trout farmer (I think you are hearing falsetto rather than mezzosoprano) and a

Re: memorization

2005-04-01 Thread Nancy Carlin
If you go to the links section of the Lute Society of America web site www.LuteSocietyofAmerica.org there are links to several big research projects that will give you a bit of information on how much is out there. The Craig-Feeley dissertation on Elizabethan manuscripts is there as well as some

Re: OT: memorization

2005-04-01 Thread Roman Turovsky
Only Townsend wrote 'Tommy', and popularity doesn't make it good - people like bandwagons. There's some pretty duff stuff in there if you listen. I actually worked on scenery for Broadway production of it. And that's enough WHO for me. Don't confuse nostalgia with early music. Tony Amen.

Re: Antwort: Re: sketches of spain lute

2005-04-01 Thread Thomas Schall
Dear Michael, would you like it for the baroque- or the renaissance lute? With or without a Cello part? (although I feel this versions will lack as a main feature the voice of Robert Plant). I won't get it ready thi evening but during the weakend I should find time to copy a version into

RE: mesmerization

2005-04-01 Thread Stuart LeBlanc
In fact Beethoven called his pieces sonatas for piano and violin and they are considered to be solo vehicles for both instruments. So according to the logic of some people, both the pianist and violinist should play from memory if they wish to achieve artistic credibility. A program by Kronos

Re: mesmerization

2005-04-01 Thread Alain Veylit
Thomas, I can confirm that Andre Rieux is well-known in the US - he is currently advertising for public television, which is a nice thing to do. I try to avoid hearing him play to keep my good impression... Alain Thomas Schall wrote: I'm not sure this guy (who obviously believes his Strat -

Poisoning the Lute List...

2005-04-01 Thread Arto Wikla
Dear lutenists, during the, let us say, couple of years we have had amongst us an actor, a writer, who knows everything, who is able to tell who is good or bad player, who is good or bad composer, which music is good, which is bad, how to play the baroque lute, why not to play Kapsperger, why

Re: Poisoning the Lute List...

2005-04-01 Thread Dr. Marion Ceruti
As I said before, no jar of honey is complete without its blob of tar. Love to all, Marion -Original Message- From: Arto Wikla [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Apr 1, 2005 2:06 PM To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: Poisoning the Lute List... Dear lutenists, during the, let us say, couple of

Re: mesmerization

2005-04-01 Thread Michael Thames
I had dinner this evening with a couple of guitarist's from Houston. They recently saw a concert in Houston of the Brazilian guitar quartet. I asked them how it was. They were quite pived that they showed up on stage with music. She said it was really no fun sitting there all night watching

Re: mesmerization

2005-04-01 Thread David Cameron
And how was the music? David Cameron I had dinner this evening with a couple of guitarist's from Houston. They recently saw a concert in Houston of the Brazilian guitar quartet. I asked them how it was. They were quite pived that they showed up on stage with music. She said it was really

Re: memorization

2005-04-01 Thread Michael Thames
Tony, After re-reading your message I though it might be necessary to clear up a few of your misconceptions about early music nostalgia. a rock band consisting of four guys, one playing guitar, one on Bass, a funny drummer , and a Messo soprano, at times. and the two left are a trout

Re: mesmerization

2005-04-01 Thread Michael Thames
And how was the music? David Cameron Unpolished! Michael Thames www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com - Original Message - From: David Cameron [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 8:12 PM Subject: Re: mesmerization And how was the music? David Cameron