Re: Strad's templates

2005-05-29 Thread Tony Chalkley
I take that for a yes. You'll find three jpgs of templates and a pdf of the descriptions inside http://perso.wanadoo.fr/tony.c/fretful/mandothingies.zip Tony - Original Message - From: EUGENE BRAIG IV [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tony Chalkley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu

Re: Strad's templates

2005-05-29 Thread Leonard Williams
Interesting (and efficient) that the template for the neck is incorporated into the pattern for the soundboard. Leonard Williams On 5/28/05 6:51 AM, Tony Chalkley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If anyone is interested I've just uploade the best scans I can do of rather badly printed not very

Re: Mudarra's bordon

2005-05-29 Thread KennethBeLute
In a message dated 5/27/2005 7:10:12 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't know whether any 16th century lute music involves tuning the 6th course down a tone. Perhaps someone on the list can tell us. Plenty of examples, the earliest being several piece in the Capirola

Re: lute hole

2005-05-29 Thread Tony Chalkley
Only just got round to checking this site. To be fair to them, they're not luting up guitars as much as they are trying to improve on those black plastic tincan cover things that are meant to stop feedback. A more lutey insert could look out of place on a Dreadnought, and I'm not sure that

Re: Strad's templates

2005-05-29 Thread Michael Thames
There is a book showing all of Stradivari's moulds, and templates, and also his tools. When I was there, all they had left, were versions in Italian, for 20 Euros. http://www.comune.cremona.it/doc_comu/mus/mus_stradivar.html Michael Thames www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com - Original Message

Re: symm/asymm perfect/imperfect

2005-05-29 Thread Vance Wood
After reading Mr. Lundbergs book several times I have come to the conclusion that he must be correct. He claims to have examined actual instruments that all show the same asymmetry, the neck cocked toward the base side of the Lute. He goes on to explain that the body does indeed have a center

Re: symm/asymm perfect/imperfect

2005-05-29 Thread Vance Wood
This post reminded me of something I thought might be pertinent and knowing no other post upon which to hang it I chose this one. You mentioned the Ancients and this brought to memory something I saw demonstrated on a documentary concerning the Parthenon in Greece. It seems this building is not

Re: symm/asymm perfect/imperfect

2005-05-29 Thread lute9
I realize the argument can be made that the instruments have become warped and twisted over time but knowing wood as I do, if that were so, there would be evidence in a dramatic distortion of both the treble and base sides of the bowel. That distortion could lead to perforation, especially

FW: symm/asymm perfect/imperfect

2005-05-29 Thread Ron Fletcher
++Psychoacoustics experiments on human subjects have demonstrated that pitch discrimination is most sensitive in the frequency band that occurs in the middle of the range of human hearing (including middle C). The resolution falls off considerably at both ends of the range. Humans find it much

Re: symm/asymm perfect/imperfect

2005-05-29 Thread lute9
++Psychoacoustics experiments on human subjects have demonstrated that pitch discrimination is most sensitive in the frequency band that occurs in the middle of the range of human hearing (including middle C). The resolution falls off considerably at both ends of the range. Humans find it

Re: symm/asymm perfect/imperfect

2005-05-29 Thread lute9
One of my music teachers once stated that women and children are unable to hear a note below bottom D (on a guitar). So, presumably, if a man sings bass, they wouldn't hear him! One of my friends is a sound designer, and he said some low infrafrequencies he used in a soundtrack sent women

Re: symm/asymm perfect/imperfect

2005-05-29 Thread Michael Thames
Vance said The point here is that the use of asymmetry was to create the illusion of symmetry. Why would anyone want the illusion of symmetry, when one can have the real thing? Stradivari obviously thought very highly of symmetry, since all of his moulds are symmetrical. Michael Thames

Re: Mudarra's bordon

2005-05-29 Thread Michael Thames
Plenty of examples, the earliest being several piece in the Capirola lute book. Kenneth Be Glad this question came up, as I'm confused about this. I can see in for instance in Padonana by Capriola is pretty straight forward, but what about a Pavana alla Ferrarese by Dalsa, that indicates

Re: symm/asymm perfect/imperfect

2005-05-29 Thread Tony Chalkley
I haven't been taking in a lot of this stuff, but looking at the plans, any assymettry in the body/soundboard shape looks fairly minor, and the question really arises with the neck. Isn't this simply a question of the number of strings, as with the theorbo? The 'ribbon' (for want of a better

Re: symm/asymm perfect/imperfect

2005-05-29 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear Vance, I can see that you are looking for what might have been an interesting analogy here, but the situation with Greek columns is not quite the same as the issue with lutes. As I understand it classical columns do have bilateral symetery but their shape from top to bottom is slightly

Re: symm/asymm perfect/imperfect

2005-05-29 Thread Michael Thames
I haven't been taking in a lot of this stuff, but looking at the plans, any asymmetry in the body/soundboard shape looks fairly minor, From my experience the discrepancy is more than minor, enough so, that it has made me wonder. Then again, some lutes seem to be very symmetrical.

Re: Mudarra's bordon

2005-05-29 Thread Michael Thames
Dear Michael, Dalza uses a tuning where both the fifth and sixth courses are tuned a tone lower than normal - see folio 27v of his book where the instructions are included at the beginning of the piece. Best wishes, Denys Thanks Denys, I only have a few Xeroxed copies of some Dalsa.

Re: Mudarra's bordon

2005-05-29 Thread Leonard Williams
Ken-- None of Mudarra's pieces for vihuela (at least not the first 51) in his Tres Libros requires a seventh course or a down-tuned sixth course. His 6 pieces for four course guitar require two different tunings: temple viejo (Bflat f a d) and temple nuevo (c f a d). Played directly from

Re: Mudarra's bordon

2005-05-29 Thread LGS-Europe
De Rippe does it, too. I do it occasionally, when playing 7-course music on my 6-course. David In a message dated 5/27/2005 7:10:12 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't know whether any 16th century lute music involves tuning the 6th course down a tone. Perhaps