[LUTE] Re: [LUTE]Madame Robert Sidney Pratten, Victorian guitar virtuosa

2005-08-25 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Dear Arthur, You might have added, by way of curiosity, that Shand was much more famous in his day as a Music Hall comedian; I believe Bone inherited much of his collection and he writes that Shand never used the guitar in his stage act rgds Martyn Arthur Ness [EMAIL

[LUTE] Re: Unusual news

2005-08-25 Thread Ron Fletcher
Looks like they will have to have a musician in every cinema, restaurant, shopping-mall and elevator! If playing recordings also includes radio-broadcast music, then every building site must have musicians! Doesn't the KGB have enough on their plate? Ron (UK) -Original Message- From:

[LUTE] Re: [LUTE]Madame Robert Sidney Pratten, Victorian guitar virtuosa

2005-08-25 Thread Ron Fletcher
Any relation to Jimmy Shand? Scottish band-leader... Ron UK -Original Message- From: Martyn Hodgson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 25 August 2005 08:59 To: Arthur Ness; Lute Net Subject: [LUTE] Re: [LUTE]Madame Robert Sidney Pratten, Victorian guitar virtuosa Dear Arthur, You might

[LUTE] Re: [LUTE]Madame Robert Sidney Pratten, Victorian guitar virtuosa

2005-08-25 Thread Arthur Ness
Dear Martyn, Thanks for that additional bit of information. I am definitely going to get Dr. Yates's edition from Mel Bay and find out what his music is like. There seems to be quite a bit of sheet music by other composers and lyricists, some with his picture on the cover, advertising that

[LUTE] Re: Unusual news

2005-08-25 Thread Herbert Ward
Looks like they will have to have a musician in every cinema, restaurant, shopping-mall and elevator! If playing recordings also includes radio-broadcast music, then every building site must have musicians! Doesn't the KGB have enough on their plate? You left out showers (waterproof CD

[LUTE] Re: [LUTE]Madame Robert Sidney Pratten, Victorian guitar virtuosa

2005-08-25 Thread PeterD26
Details pertaining to the lives of both Madame Pratten and Ernest Shand appear in Stewart Button's 1984 dissertation The Guitar in England 1800-1924 (University of Surrey) published by Garland in 1989. Shand was the pen name of Ernest William Watson, born in Hull in 1868. He studied guitar

[LUTE] Re: [LUTE]Madame Robert Sidney Pratten, Victorian guitar virtuosa

2005-08-25 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Dear Arthur, I'm most fortunate in having a signed copy of Bone's excellent work (not, alas, addressed to me - I'm not that old!). He gives Shand's essential details as born Hull (England) Jan 31 1868, died Nov 24 1924 Birmingham(NB the original Brummegen). I'm quite fond of his stuff which

[LUTE] Re: Bone

2005-08-25 Thread Eugene C. Braig IV
At 01:39 PM 8/25/2005, Martyn Hodgson wrote: Get Bone's book - it is eminently readable and, I believe, was republished in comparatively recent times - of course, it's not infallible... Indeed. It was first published in 1914, revised in (I believe) the 1950s, and reprinted in (I

[LUTE] Re: [LUTE]Madame Robert Sidney Pratten, Victorian guitar virtuosa

2005-08-25 Thread Matanya Ophee
Arthur Ness Thu, 25 Aug 2005 07:56:03 -0700 I didn't realize that in addition to being a music hall tenor he was a comedian as well. He must have been tremendously popular. It is Zuth in his Handbuch that says that Shand was an American. I wonder where he got that notion. Same place he got the

[LUTE] Re: [LUTE]Madame Robert Sidney Pratten, Victorian guitar virtuosa

2005-08-25 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Bone explains: ' Shand was known to the British public as a variety artist - a comedian - who for many years headed the bills with the stars of variety ['Burlesque' I suppose in the US - my comment], Lottie Collins, Gus Elen and Vesta Telley, at the most popular music halls,' Get Bone's book

[LUTE] Re: Bone

2005-08-25 Thread Matanya Ophee
At 01:55 PM 8/25/2005, Eugene C. Braig IV [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Indeed. It was first published in 1914, Actually, the majority of the major articles in Bone were first published in the US in Cadenza magazine from 1902 to 1906. I have acquired a small run of Cadenza a couple of years ago,

[LUTE] Re: Bone

2005-08-25 Thread PeterD26
In a message dated 8/25/05 10:57:03 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: He also omits some info that I think is rather important (e.g., he makes no mention of Justin Holland being black; as the entry reads, Holland comes off as a minor figure of potential interest to guitar buffs, but to have

[LUTE] Madame Robert Sidney Pratten, Victorian guitar virtuosa

2005-08-25 Thread Stewart McCoy
Dear Peter, Thank you very much for this information. I am embarrassed that it was Nottingham where Shand was attacked. I live in Nottingham, aware that the city now has one of the worst reputations for violence in the whole of Great Britain. One of the two books I have of guitar music by Shand

[LUTE] Re: More Gianconcelli Chilesotti

2005-08-25 Thread Alain Veylit
Matanya, This strikes me as an extremely naive attitude. Documental evidence has lead many people to the wrong conclusions, as documented by the thousands (millions, actually) of pseudo-scholarly papers churned out by both private and public research facilities. I'd rather read liner notes by

[LUTE] Re: More Gianconcelli Chilesotti

2005-08-25 Thread Matanya Ophee
At 04:01 PM 8/25/2005, Alain Veylit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matanya, This strikes me as an extremely naive attitude. Documental evidence has lead many people to the wrong conclusions, as documented by the thousands (millions, actually) of pseudo-scholarly papers churned out by both private and

[LUTE] Re: Bone

2005-08-25 Thread Greg M. Silverman
Matanya Ophee wrote: At 01:55 PM 8/25/2005, Eugene C. Braig IV [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (I'm in the day-job office and away from appropriate references). Unfortunately, it's getting much harder to locate and, once located, copies are asking way more than they should, often multiple

[LUTE] Re: [LUTE]Madame Robert Sidney Pratten, Victorian guitar virtuosa

2005-08-25 Thread Arthur Ness
I think it would be a mistake to cite what are additions and corrections to Zuth's work as a demonstration that his work is poor. (Some of that is really obscure information.) For his time, his Handbuch is quite thorough. And Matanya knows about the Bergier, Ungay, entry because I told him

[LUTE] Re: [LUTE]Madame Robert Sidney Pratten, Victorian guitar virtuosa

2005-08-25 Thread Alain Veylit
This is hillarious - I work in the field of library science, and the fact that I know personally quite a few special collections catalogers who - to stay polite - are quite full of themselves, makes the anecdote extremely juicy. Incidentally, library science is the only science in the U.S.

[LUTE] Re: [LUTE]Madame Robert Sidney Pratten, Victorian guitar virtuosa

2005-08-25 Thread Matanya Ophee
At 05:33 PM 8/25/2005, Arthur Ness wrote: wrote: I think it would be a mistake to cite what are additions and corrections to Zuth's work as a demonstration that his work is poor. (Some of that is really obscure information.) For his time, his Handbuch is quite thorough. No argument. But it