[LUTE] Baroque lute tuning for Bach lute(?) works.

2006-05-05 Thread Juan Fco. Prieto
Dear lutenists: I'm posting these two images containing the tuning used by Narciso Yepes to play Bach lute works. http://personales.ya.com/jfppal/Afinaciones_Bach_Yepes_01.jpg http://personales.ya.com/jfppal/Afinaciones_Bach_Yepes_02.jpg This is hard to find and comes from the vinyl version

[LUTE] Re: Lute straps

2006-05-05 Thread Doctor Oakroot
I suspect his other 4-5 Haydn sonata (sightread) would have been just as mediocre as sightread music usually is. Hi all, I strongly agree with Roman of his comment below! Arto On Thu, 4 May 2006, Roman Turovsky wrote: Hmmm.. Tab may be hard to memorize (don't know - never tried), but

[LUTE] Re: Lute straps

2006-05-05 Thread Roman Turovsky
HAs it ever occurred to you that all orchestral (and most small-ensemble) music is sightread, always? And all them mediocre blues are played from memory, ain't they? RT I suspect his other 4-5 Haydn sonata (sightread) would have been just as mediocre as sightread music usually is. Hi all,

[LUTE] Re: Lute straps

2006-05-05 Thread Doctor Oakroot
In an orchestra the players are acting as a sequencer and their job is to reproduce the written music accurately. The musical value comes from the conductor - who usually has the score in front of him, but, if he's any good, he doesn't actually need it. That's why experiments with conductorless

[LUTE] Re: Baroque lute tuning for Bach lute(?) works.

2006-05-05 Thread Roman Turovsky
Dear lutenists: I'm posting these two images containing the tuning used by Narciso Yepes to play Bach lute works. http://personales.ya.com/jfppal/Afinaciones_Bach_Yepes_01.jpg http://personales.ya.com/jfppal/Afinaciones_Bach_Yepes_02.jpg This is hard to find and comes from the vinyl

[LUTE] Re: [Re: Lute straps]

2006-05-05 Thread Howard Posner
Doctor Oakroot wrote: In an orchestra the players are acting as a sequencer and their job is to reproduce the written music accurately. The musical value comes from the conductor Don't tell that to the principal wind players. To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Re: Baroque lute tuning for Bach lute(?) works.

2006-05-05 Thread Howard Posner
Juan Fco. Prieto wrote: A good try and approaching in any case, but detested by purists, obviously. I was no purist at the time, but I thought Yepes' performance brought a new meaning to the word choppy. To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Re: Memorization

2006-05-05 Thread Rob Dorsey
On memorization: The Chinese pianist Liu Chi Kung was imprisoned by the Maoists for 7 years after the cultural revolution. During his imprisonment he had no access to a piano but, since the guards held him is some regard, was granted a cell with a window. After his release he, like so many of

[LUTE] Re: Memorization

2006-05-05 Thread Roman Turovsky
Rudolf Kehrer had a similar experience in GULAG, he survived by having penciled keys on a wooden plank. RT On memorization: The Chinese pianist Liu Chi Kung was imprisoned by the Maoists for 7 years after the cultural revolution. During his imprisonment he had no access to a piano but,

[LUTE] Re: Lute straps

2006-05-05 Thread David Rastall
On May 5, 2006, at 8:50 AM, Roman Turovsky wrote: HAs it ever occurred to you that all orchestral (and most small- ensemble) music is sightread, always? Good point, but the job of an orchestral player is not to be an interpreter, but rather to be a part of a larger whole. The conductor

[LUTE] Re: Lute straps

2006-05-05 Thread Roman Turovsky
HAs it ever occurred to you that all orchestral (and most small- ensemble) music is sightread, always? Good point, but the job of an orchestral player is not to be an interpreter, but rather to be a part of a larger whole. The conductor is the one who is allowed to interpret the music. Not

[LUTE] Re: Memorization

2006-05-05 Thread Robert Clair
There seem to be a lot of straw men and unsupportable declarations going on here. Where I come from, sight-reading means playing at first sight, not just any playing from a piece of music: A new, previously unseen piece of music of music is placed in front of you and you play it, as best

[LUTE] Re: Baroque lute tuning for Bach lute(?) works.

2006-05-05 Thread chriswilke
Question regarding the lute suites in general. Why is it that everyone refers to all of these works as suites? The g minor and e minor suites as just that. BWV 1006a, however, is an arrangement of the solo violin PARTITA in E major (We don't call it a Violin Suite do we?) and the c minor work

[LUTE] Re: Baroque lute tuning for Bach lute(?) works.

2006-05-05 Thread Howard Posner
On Friday, May 5, 2006, at 08:43 America/Los_Angeles, Roman Turovsky wrote: I was no purist at the time, but I thought Yepes' performance brought a new meaning to the word choppy. But still smooth, compared to Podolsky. Probably true, though if my memory of Podolsky's recordings serves,

[LUTE] Re: [Re: Lute straps]

2006-05-05 Thread Doctor Oakroot
I wouldn't even tell that to my sister (She's been principle second violin in a couple of pro orchestras), lol. But the slavish adherence to the written note was a significant reason for me for leaving classical (in the broad sense) music. Doctor Oakroot wrote: In an orchestra the players are

[LUTE] Re: Lute straps

2006-05-05 Thread Roman Turovsky
In an orchestra the players are acting as a sequencer and their job is to reproduce the written music accurately. The musical value comes from the conductor - who usually has the score in front of him, but, if he's any good, he doesn't actually need it. That's why experiments with

[LUTE] Re: Baroque lute tuning for Bach lute(?) works.

2006-05-05 Thread Ken Brodkey
But, If a guitarist wants to play Bach or Weiss, he or she shouldn't be discouraged. The music ultimately transcends the instrument. It may sound more appropriate on the lute but it's the music that's most important. The six string guitar is certainly limited, but one can get instruments with more

[LUTE] Re: Baroque lute tuning for Bach lute(?) works.

2006-05-05 Thread Roman Turovsky
But, If a guitarist wants to play Bach or Weiss, he or she shouldn't be discouraged. I think they should be, by any means possible. Moreover shey should sign an affidavit by which they'd promise not to come within a 100 yard radius of any pre-1800's music. They can do Carculli, Targuado etc.-

[LUTE] Re: lute straps

2006-05-05 Thread Martin Eastwell
Vance- I wonder if you have seriously experimented with playing this this way? If you can stand big downloads, I will happily turn an old recording of me playing F Da Milano (Ness 33) with just such a technique, into an MP3, and send it to you (or anyone who is interested)! If you know the

[LUTE] Re: lute straps

2006-05-05 Thread Martin Eastwell
Howard- I'm not sure that the iconographic evidence can be dismissed so lightly. The lute was perhaps the principle solo instrument of this period, and both painters and patrons (and even many artists models!) would have known what good lute technique looked like. And some models were

[LUTE] Re: Memorization

2006-05-05 Thread demery
On Fri, May 5, 2006, Robert Clair [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Where I come from, sight-reading means playing at first sight, not just any playing from a piece of music: A new, previously unseen piece of music of music is placed in front of you and you play it, as best you can. ayup.

[LUTE] Re: memory, tabs or notation while performing

2006-05-05 Thread demery
On Thu, May 4, 2006, Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: The problem with Jordi is that he is notorius for supplying the musicians of his groups (the ones that are not his immediate family) with scores at the last minute Sometimes music is just composed, wet ink, parts being copied out