[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: I haven't got the guts anymore!

2008-01-16 Thread Anthony Hind
Le 14 janv. 08 à 18:12, Rob a écrit : Dear Anthony, I think you'll find the bass register below the 7th course more problematical than the treble. Not only the sound quality of the thick-gut fundamentals, gimped or otherwise, but also the intonation compared to the octave neighbours.

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: I haven't got the guts anymore!

2008-01-16 Thread Edward Martin
Satoh appears to have found quite a good compromise. Unless I am mistaken, he appears to have adopted the Dutch/English/French? 12c Lute, to partly get round this problem. On this, the 12c and 11c, on the second neck, are quite long, while the other strings are somewhat shorter, thus allowing

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Rép : [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: 12c + I haven't got the guts anymore!

2008-01-16 Thread Anthony Hind
Rob, please do not think I am criticising yourself or your lute, or Martin's work. I am definitley not, and I hope any full reading of my message will show that. I am very much interested in the issue you raised, for two separate reasons : (1) I like gut and I hope to be able to use it, and

[LUTE] Re: banchieri and the Theorbo in G

2008-01-16 Thread LGS-Europe
Unfortunately my work it's in Italian only. It was written 12 years ago and I'm now working again on it, for a printed version. What you read is just a draft copy. Pretty good for a draft copy, I'd say. Thank you for sharing this with us. David David van Ooijen

[LUTE] Re: banchieri and the Theorbo in G

2008-01-16 Thread Rob
Thank you, Diego. I hope someone translates it into other languages as it looks very interesting. I can only understand a few words here and there, and it is very easy for me to misunderstand, so I will wait for some kind person to translate it into English. I'm constantly embarrassed about my

[LUTE] Re: banchieri and the Theorbo in G

2008-01-16 Thread dc
[EMAIL PROTECTED] écrit: Banchieri in his Conclusioni nel suono dell'organo (Bologna 1609), p. 59, gives a G tuning for the chitarrone, with the reentrant tuning for the first string only. From my homepage (under 'docs tab') you can download a pdf copy of my dissertation about the chitarrone

[LUTE] Re: banchieri and the Theorbo in G

2008-01-16 Thread Are Vidar Boye Hansen
I'm wondering how many of the early publications for a 'theorbo' (various spellings) or chitarrone were actually for large 10c bass lutes with re-entrant tunings? I wonder about this too! As far as I know, Kapsberger's Libro primo for chitarrone is for a 10-course instrument. Are PS: I

[LUTE] banchieri and the Theorbo in G

2008-01-16 Thread tiorba
I'm wondering how many of the early publications for a 'theorbo' (various spellings) or chitarrone were actually for large 10c bass lutes with re-entrant tunings? I wonder about this too! As far as I know, Kapsberger's Libro primo for chitarrone is for a 10-course instrument. You can find

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: I haven't got the guts anymore!

2008-01-16 Thread T. Diehl-Peshkur
Hello Anthony, Martin and all, Not wanting to add any more info to the full discussion that has been going on here, I would like to ask a general question on the string issue: How often does one come across frets being stopped on courses 11, 10, 9, 8 or 7 ? Sure there will be examples, but what I

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo in G?

2008-01-16 Thread David Rastall
On Jan 16, 2008, at 3:21 AM, Martyn Hodgson wrote: As you imply: I guess it's because they can't be bothered to learn to read on an A instrument A lot of people prefer to work in those areas they're most familiar with. We have modern editions of Italian music in French tablature,

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo in G?

2008-01-16 Thread howard posner
On Jan 15, 2008, at 1:54 PM, Rob wrote: so why do people choose to tune to G? Is it purely because they already think 'in G', or is there another reason? G tuning (with the second course at lute pitch) seems to have been common in England. Mace wrote that the theorbo was just a big lute

[LUTE] Kapseberger's lute (was: banchieri and the Theorbo in G)

2008-01-16 Thread Are Vidar Boye Hansen
I'm wondering how many of the early publications for a 'theorbo' (various spellings) or chitarrone were actually for large 10c bass lutes with re-entrant tunings? I wonder about this too! As far as I know, Kapsberger's Libro primo for chitarrone is for a 10-course instrument. You can

[LUTE] Re: Kapseberger's lute (was: banchieri and the Theorbo in G)

2008-01-16 Thread Mathias Rösel
Are Vidar Boye Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: be that the lute in question here actually is a 10/11-corse liuto attiorbato? If that means, 1st and 2nd courses normal (like on the lute), the answer is no. All pieces of Libro prima require 1st and 2nd courses down the octave. (Nevertheless,

[LUTE] Re: Kapsberger's lute (was: banchieri and the Theorbo in G)

2008-01-16 Thread Are Vidar Boye Hansen
be that the lute in question here actually is a 10/11-corse liuto attiorbato? If that means, 1st and 2nd courses normal (like on the lute), the answer is no. All pieces of Libro prima require 1st and 2nd courses down the octave. (Nevertheless, one might want to discuss one or another

[LUTE] Re: tablature, alfabeto and BC

2008-01-16 Thread Bruno Correia
Lex, However, some players may have been able to realize an accompaniment, departing from the bass (and losing considerably in volume, while plucking part of the harmonies). I cannot think of guitar acompaniment without the strumming. The guitar doesn't have basses like the lute or the