[LUTE] Re: what are underlights ...

2008-06-01 Thread David Tayler
Although there are scatterred references to the numbering of the layers in the Elizabethan period, I think the phrase seventh heaven derives more from the Islamic and Cabalist traditions. dt At 05:45 PM 5/31/2008, you wrote: On May 31, 2008, at 6:25 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At least in

[LUTE] Re: what are underlights ...

2008-06-01 Thread Anthony Hind
Ed This topic is raised form time to time on the list. Here is the last thread: http://www.mail-archive.com/lute@cs.dartmouth.edu/msg17862.html I think we are gradually getting there. Anthony Le 1 juin 08 =E0 02:45, Ed Durbrow a ecrit : On May 31, 2008, at 6:25 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[LUTE] Re: strumming near the bridge

2008-06-01 Thread David Tayler
Strumming: If we think of it; they thought of it. Whether they liked it or not is hard to say. Perhaps the answer lies in the distribution of table tennis rackets (or bats). For example, people debate whether seven courses were used early on. And the confusing thing, is that the pros must have

[LUTE] Re: Double headed 12c

2008-06-01 Thread Mathias Rösel
Are Vidar Boye Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: So its e-minor tuning, then? Otherwise, it was called French flat: C - D - E - F | G - A // B - e - a - c' - e' - g'. Of course! I forgot that French flat was Thomas' favourite. Kenneth Sparr's article has a list of tabulatures for

[LUTE] Re: Double headed 12c

2008-06-01 Thread Mathias Rösel
damian dlugolecki [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Hello Mathias, The concept of this lute is to be able to use the same diapasons, of gut, for the lower courses. ... This is one of those concepts that reaffiirms the notion that the lute was strung completely in gut. BTW, the Mest lute had

[LUTE] Re: Double headed 12c

2008-06-01 Thread Are Vidar Boye Hansen
Reusner, Esaias, Neue Lauten-Fruchte 1676. In the mannuscript additions in the copy now housed at Staatsbibliothek Preussischer Kulturbesitz, Berlin (Mus.ms. 18380) are pieces for a 12-course lute. Yes, on p. 58 (i. e. fol. 27v) starts a suite in D major. At some places, a 12th course is

[LUTE] Re: what are underlights ...

2008-06-01 Thread Mathias Rösel
David Tayler [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Although there are scatterred references to the numbering of the layers in the Elizabethan period, I think the phrase seventh heaven derives more from the Islamic and Cabalist traditions. dt You can colloquially say in Hebrew ba-raqîa ha-shvi'î (in

[LUTE] Re: Choosing Strings

2008-06-01 Thread howard posner
On May 26, 2008, at 7:22 AM, Martyn Hodgson wrote: Howard, Without going back to square one and repeating subsequent postings, Much to the relief of the entire list, I'm sure. what I was hoping to say in my last email was that, despite his 'critique', all the theorboes offered on

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Following up - does one need to play to be a good builder?

2008-06-01 Thread demery
On Sat, May 31, 2008, Timothy Motz [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Well, to each his own Dana, but I find that for myself there is no substitute for doing. I dont see where we differ on this last; my point is that there is considerable value to taking it in stages, all at once is overwhelming.

[LUTE] Re: Double headed 12c

2008-06-01 Thread Mathias Rösel
damian dlugolecki [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: The fact that it had overspun basses on it at one time is not evidence that this is how it was strung during the 17th century. The easiest way would be finding out from when the strings date. Overspun strings begin to be used in the late 17th

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo sizes (was Choosing Strings)

2008-06-01 Thread Edward Martin
I agree, Howard. The same holds true in baroque lutes, in which surviving instruments had various string lengths. ed At 02:09 PM 6/1/2008 -0700, howard posner wrote: The one thing that makes no sense is to simply wish away the range of pitches that existed historically because it doesn't mesh

[LUTE] Re: Double headed 12c

2008-06-01 Thread Mathias Rösel
Dear Damian, please do send answers to the list, too, so that other may get to know your opinion directly instead of reading it from my quotes. damian dlugolecki [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: It is unfortunate that Mimmo made that grand leap of illogic. His analysis is normally quite sound.

[LUTE] Theorbo sizes; theorbo definitions

2008-06-01 Thread David Tayler
I think the idea, pioneered by harpsichordists, of scaling may well be true, although there are still some uncertainties in my mind, particularly in regards to notches of various types, but also in regard to paired instruments, or trios and quartets of instruments. Assuming that tone apart held

[LUTE] Re: heorbo sizes; theorbo definitions

2008-06-01 Thread howard posner
On Jun 1, 2008, at 5:58 PM, David Tayler wrote: Perhaps the answer, as far as theorbos go, is to have a new definition of theorbo. What's the question, exactly? Slim chance that everyone will agree on the definition, but perhaps a collective attempt is the way to go. I propose the