I agree with Chris, it is surprising that with their interest in
"timbre-structures" Schoenberg and followers apparently made no remarks on such
a major "timbre" change as that caused by moving from gut to metal strings;
although, Klangfarbenmelodie seems to have been a technique for "fracturi
Hi Mathias,
The piece has a title. It is a setting of "the Widow" by Simon Ives.
It is to be found on the CD "Old Gautiers Nightingall"
Cheers!
Lex
Op 9 jan 2012, om 20:24 heeft Mathias Rösel het volgende geschreven:
>> I'm pretty certain it is a jigge or gigue.
>> Look in Dufault or Mercure
Howard,
--- On Sun, 1/8/12, howard posner wrote:
>
> Performances of their music were rare in those days, so the
> issue of performance practice alternatives would not have
> loomed large. And with the exception of the modern
> early music movement, I can't think of many places and times
> whe
Interesting topic.
This is maybe a bit facile, but I believe that the sound produced has a
lot more to do with the musician than it does with the particular
instrument or string material. OK an authentic gut-strung violin will
no doubt feel better to somebody who wants to produce a
Regarding:
> In fact, do any contemporary composers give explicit
> instructions for using a particular string type (or even
> instrument material :
> brass/silver/gold, reed-type, etc) in order to achieve a
> particular tonal colour?
I am aware of one at least similar case. I
Dear Lex,
You made my day. Thank you very much!
Mathias
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> Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im
> Auftrag von Lex van Sante
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 10. Januar 2012 11:40
> An: Mathias Rösel; lute mailing list list
> Betreff: [LUTE]
Nachricht-
> >>>> Von: Lex van Sante [mailto:lvansa...@gmail.com";>mailto:lvansa...@gmail.com]
> >>>> Gesendet: Montag, 9. Januar 2012 17:54
> >>>> An: Mathias Rösel
> >>>> Betreff: Re: [LUTE] Dance in time
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi Mathias,
> >>>>
> >>>> Where can I find Panmure 5 so I can get an idea of
the music you
> >>>> are
> >>> talking
> >>>> about?
> >>>> I suppose it is for a 10 course lute tunes in one of
the
> >>>> transitional
> >>> tunings.
> >>>> Do you have a copy or a link?
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheers!
> >>>>
> >>>> Lex
> >>>> Op 8 jan 2012, om 14:27 heeft Mathias Rösel het
volgende geschreven:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Dear everyone,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> There is a dance in triple time in Panmure 5,
fol. 17v-18, that
> >>>>> probably is neither a courante nor a sarabande,
lacking their
> >>>>> chracteristic rhythms. It has hemiolas in
cadences, but also other
> >>>>> characteristic rhythms, though, like crotchet -
minim at some ends
> >>>>> of phrases, or crotchet - dotted
crotchet - two semiquavers / one
> >>>>> quaver (marking the ends of
hemiolas).
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Some say it's a country dance. Yet I wonder if
English country
> >>>>> dances (and masques, for that matter)
come in even time?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Mathias
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
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> >>>
<Panmure-5_Country-dance.pdf><Panmure-5_Country-dance.mid>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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> In fact, it was already listed as such for some time in the database for
Pièces en
> Accords Nouveaux". See www.accordsnouveaux.ch
Erm, no. Source, chapter and verse, yes, but not its correct title. Please
correct me, if I'm wrong. In the maitrise, the piece is listed as country
dance (in bracke
On Jan 10, 2012, at 4:21 AM, Christopher Wilke wrote:
> OK, I used the Second Viennese School composers as an example due to the
> particular concern they had with timbre at a minute level. The issue could
> just as easily been voiced by Strauss, Mahler, Debussy, Ravel or others.
> Around th
Howard,
--- On Tue, 1/10/12, howard posner wrote:
>
> Have you read Rimsky-Korsakov's Principles of
> Orchestration? It comes from precisely this
> period. (You can find English versions online)
>
I've read portions of it, but it's quite a large document to browse through.
Relevant to t
On Tue, 10 Jan 2012 12:21:18 -0800 (PST), Christopher Wilke wrote
> Howard,
>
> --- On Tue, 1/10/12, howard posner wrote:
> >
> > Have you read Rimsky-Korsakov's Principles of
> > Orchestration? It comes from precisely this
> > period. (You can find English versions online)
> >
>
> I've rea
Eugene,
--- On Tue, 1/10/12, EUGENE BRAIG IV wrote:
> In the song cycle "Ancient
> Voices of Children", George Crumb asks
> the mandolin be played with a
> metal paper clip in stead of a plectrum
> of more typical material:
> plastics, tortoiseshell, etc. His
> intent was to generate a
On Jan 10, 2012, at 12:21 PM, Christopher Wilke wrote:
> I've read portions of it,
More than I have, then.
> but it's quite a large document to browse through. Relevant to the topic of
> this discussion: What does he have to say about the relative merits and
> defects of gut vs. steel string
Did his ghost finish it for him
RT
From: "howard posner"
On Jan 10, 2012, at 12:21 PM, Christopher Wilke wrote:
I've read portions of it,
More than I have, then.
but it's quite a large document to browse through. Relevant to the topic
of this discussion: What does he have to say about t
--- On Tue, 1/10/12, R. Mattes wrote:
>
> He died in 1908 - that's pretty much before the general
> shift to
> metal strings on bowed instruments.
>
I thought it seemed a bit early for Rimsky-Korsakov to be discussing steel
strings in much depth. Does he discuss the tone of metal strings an
On Jan 10, 2012, at 12:52 PM, Christopher Wilke wrote:
> I thought it seemed a bit early for Rimsky-Korsakov to be discussing steel
> strings in much depth. Does he discuss the tone of metal strings anywhere,
> perhaps even a remark noting them as a new novelty?
"Metal" and "steel" are mentio
On Jan 10, 2012, at 12:49 PM, Roman Turovsky wrote of Rimsky-Korsakov's
Principles of Orchestration:
> Did his ghost finish it for him
> RT.
Of course. Rimsky-Korsakov was like most musicians. On the whole, they don't
write well, so they make much use of ghost writers.
The name you're l
Hmmm, what about those musicians who write rather well, in many languages,
including dead ones?
Like Carl Orff.
Or the mustitude of songwriters
RT
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To: "lute List"
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 4:00 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: tuning fork
On Jan 10, 2012, at 1:09 PM, Roman Turovsky wrote:
> Hmmm, what about those musicians who write rather well, in many languages,
> including dead ones?
You have to have a ghost writer if you're going to write in a dead language.
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as I recall Orff wrote masterfully in ancient Greek and Latin, without being
dead.
RT
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From: "howard posner"
To: "lute List"
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 4:14 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: tuning fork at 433Hz?
On Jan 10, 2012, at 1:09 PM, Roman Turovsky wrote:
Hm
Didn't Orff wish to be a nationalistic early music composer, too?
Arto
On Tue, 10 Jan 2012 16:18:30 -0500, "Roman Turovsky"
wrote:
> as I recall Orff wrote masterfully in ancient Greek and Latin, without
> being
> dead.
> RT
> - Original Message -
> From: "howard posner"
> To: "lute
Alright, traveling more and more remotely to the original discussion, but Crumb
is wacky. I think it's interesting that "Ancient Voices..." makes such
frequent appearances in music appreciation and history courses in North America
just because it is so wacky. I don't know if other "sonorists"
When did they change from gut saws?
On Jan 10, 2012, at 1:49 PM, EUGENE BRAIG IV wrote:
> Alright, traveling more and more remotely to the original discussion, but
> Crumb is wacky. I think it's interesting that "Ancient Voices..." makes such
> frequent appearances in music appreciation and hi
On a slightly more serious note, the Strad Magazine ( http://strad.cozio.com/
) has archives that go back to 1890. I wasn't quite ready at 10:30 pm PST (&
1/2 bottle of cheap Zin under my belt) to register with them, log in, and then
do a search- but maybe there are some answers there. More
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