I've seen some of the manifests via Ancestry.com--the handwriting is not
always too clear. My great grandfather came over from Denmark and
promptly changed his name from Jörgen Wilhelm Hansen to John William
Hansen.
On a more musical note, I once heard a family chamber group
On May 8, 2013, at 11:33 AM, r.turov...@gmail.com wrote:
The purported Ellis Island name manglings is a myth.
Every immigrant's name had to be and was matched to the ship's manifest, and
any deviation was massively illegal.
As was selling alcoholic beverages in the United States between 1920
Hi, Tobiah and all.
Yes, officially you're right Tobiah, but Francesco lived at a time when
Europe was transitioning to the use of established family names, so
many names that we use today would seem ridiculous if interpreted in
their original meaning.
Basically, European
Tobiah,
Nothing wrong with calling him da Milano, although in actually
usage he's one of the few, like Michelangelo or Josquin, who are
frequently referred to by first name. We do say, da Vinci. Yes, this
literally translates to of __, but place names were - and are -
For a while (in the Siena book, anyway) Francesco was da Parigi- but
in the end just a vacation- Busman's Holiday. And of course, Alberto
da Ripa- who stayed in France, but then Francophoned to de Rippe,
like Jean Paul Paladin- Had lute, would travel. It can get
complicated; Ottaviano dei
Indeed on the Ellis Island factor. I had a harpsichord playing
colleague whose family was Goldberg because her grandfather had
immigrated from Russia alone at 14 years old. He was standing in line
behind a man named Goldberg. When they reached the desk, the official
assumed he
Dan,
The purported Ellis Island name manglings is a myth.
Every immigrant's name had to be and was matched to the ship's manifest,
and any deviation was massively illegal.
So any changes people claim were made either at naturalization, or at
the passport office in the old country.
Cheers,
RT
My last name is another Ellis Island story - my husband's family came
from the Russia/Poland area and had a name that was hard to pronounce,
so wanted something that people in the US couple say. They chose Carlin,
no realizing that they had a name from another ethnic group (Irish) that
was no
Name checking against a ship's manifest sounds too logical to be
dismissed. More likely mangling happened during hasty, crowded
embarkations; where legality taxonomic scrupulousness were more
ephemeral- but the errors only coming to light at Ellis Island, where
the shouting itself (according
What? You're NOT Irish? One of my best friends recently found out that
he isn't Irish either. Over 60 years of being virulently anti
Anglo-Saxon down the drain after a genealogical search revealed he is of
nearly 100% English ancestry. One rotten, interconnected species, the
lot of us.
On
To tell you how I know this:
Some 10 years ago I embarked on a search for a branch of the family that
was missing for 80 years in South Africa (their surname was SAUTSCHECK,
and the search was successful, all SouthAfrican cousins were found! (the
few NorthAmerican were not...)).
In the process
It ended up on my shelf!
Sorry to disappoint you, but Elhaik theory has already been
discredited: he made a lot of idiotic claims, such as Georgians and
Armenians having been proto-Khazar etc.
He seems to be one of those scholars whose goal is refute the
connection between
In re: horse-thieves and revolutionaries of all colors among our
ancestors. Indeed, even the ancestors of this Mayflower descendant.
And don't forget our beloved Anglo-Saxon motto: Think locally, act
globally. :-(
Chris.
On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 3:50 PM, Roman Turovsky
There is another dictum:
Talk British, think Yiddish!
RT
On 5/8/2013 5:37 PM, Christopher Stetson wrote:
In re: horse-thieves and revolutionaries of all colors among our
ancestors. Indeed, even the ancestors of this Mayflower descendant.
And don't forget our beloved
That one I like!
On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 5:40 PM, [1]r.turov...@gmail.com
[2]r.turov...@gmail.com wrote:
There is another dictum:
Talk British, think Yiddish!
RT
On 5/8/2013 5:37 PM, Christopher Stetson wrote:
In re: horse-thieves and revolutionaries of all colors among
It's certainly more proper to refer to him simply as Francesco for short, which
is how I usually see him referred in articles and such. Just like we say
Leonardo and not da Vinci, and so on. There are many examples of this.
Joshua (who also happens to be da Milano)
On May 8, 2013, at 4:43
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