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>
> >The tension holding the nut in place is convenient >because it
> >allows a quick change of different nuts
design as well.
Best regards,
Marion
Michael Thames
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> This is explanation is a good start but it is incomplete because
> it did not name the fundamenta
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Sent: Mar 11, 2005 10:52 PM
To: timothy motz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, lute list
Subject: Peg box bent: was: Pegs, revisited - ebony
> >Jon,
>In addition to reducing the mechanical moment (I haven't used that
>phrase since
> >Jon,
>In addition to reducing the mechanical moment (I haven't used that
>phrase since high school physics class), the angled peg head makes it
>easier for the peg head to bear the tension of the strings. If the
>peg head was straight out, as in a guitar, there would be tremendous
>pull from t
> This is the major problem with using ebony for pegs. Ebony is very gritty
> wood and actually acts like little rat tailed file in making the peg box
> holes larger. It is my understanding that the original Lutes were pegged
> with pegs made of fruit wood of sorts stained black to look like Ebon
the peg in or out for tuning.
Perhaps the harder woods stand up better to the torsional stress from
twisting the pegs.
Those would be my guesses.
Tim
>
>
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>D
Somehow in the raucous banter on the thread my original question got lost,
except for Tony as quoted below.
> As Jon said, the modern choice of the harder material for the disposable
bit
> does seem odd. It also seems odd that the efforts made at the time being
> directed towards lightness in the
I will ask Baldock to hurry inventing neurolines.
danyel
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Sent: Thursda
>> Anyone out there know a source for bone large enough >to make pegs from?
>> Yes. Matanya.
>> RT
> To enshrine him in a lute. Maybe he can donate something to make strings
> from too.
No doubt. He has plenty of nerve.
RT
>
>
>>> Anyone out there know a source for bone large enough to make pegs
bitch ;-)
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> > Anyone out there know a source for bone large enough to make pegs fro
> Anyone out there know a source for bone large enough to make pegs from?
Yes. Matanya.
RT
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>Don't look at me, I need all of mine!
>
>
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>Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:31:28 -0700
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>> I have a guitar made at the t
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From: "Michael Thames"=
To: "'lute list'" ,= "Garry Bryan"
Subject: Re: Pegs, revisited - ebon= y
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:31:28 -0700
>
> I have a = guitar made at the turn of the 19th century with original bone
> p
> Anyone out there know a source for bone large enough to make pegs from?
At the risk of sounding facetious - a butcher? It stinks enough when you
file a bone nut, so God knows what it would be like on a lathe.
I've just tried to find out what Sacconi says about pegs in his book on
Stradivari
from?
Michael Thames
www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
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To: "'lute list'"
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 7:26 AM
Subject: RE: Pegs, revisited - ebony
> Michael (and others).
>
>
> I
e bones of
>Michielle Harton to make your pegs.
Not to bark too much more, but bone makes a great peg!
Michael Thames
www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
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From: "Garry Bryan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Thursday, M
Michael (and others).
I only provided the information because I had the Lundberg book handy and a few
minutes to type the information from it into an e-mail message. Interpret that
information any way you like.
Disregard it if it suits you.
While I felt that the quote I provided might be rele
OK, I've read all the messages in the thread and yet have a confusion. A
confusion about what is desirable. (Note my earlier comment on the
intentionally wearable nylon gear in the speedometer).
Why would a luthier want to have the inevitable wear between peg and peg
holes be either random or in t
Peter,
With David I point out that silica (SiO2) is the oxide of the element
silicon, and add that the silicon chips of Silicon Valley aren't actually
pure silicon (in the late '40s my father, a researcher in solid state
physics at Bell Labs, sent out an internal memo speculating on the
possibilit
> that doesn't stop people from using it. Actually I can't imagine not using
> it.
I do occasionally use chalk powder ('baby powder') on troublesome pegs.
David
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Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 8:50 PM
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> He did not reach that conclusion.
>
> He states that ebony wasn't used on
> Certain hardwoods, especially some species of oak, contain fairly high c=
> oncentrations of crystalline silica (not silicon, nothing to do with =
> computer chip wafer fabrication!). Higher concentrations can be hazar= dous
> to health in dust, and very hard on plane blades. I think
only s= ome
ebony, certainly not most, also has this problem, but I don't know wher= e
in the world high-silica ebony comes from.
Peter
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Subject:
e for pegs because they'd
wear out quickly and you'd have to fit another set.
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> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 10:38 PM
> To: 'lute list'; Garry Bryan
> Subject: Re: Pegs, revisit
t simply be that hundreds of years of tuning wore them out?
Michael Thames
www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
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new set of
pegs must be fitted."
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> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 6:48 PM
> To: lute list; Tony Chalkley; Vance Wood
> Subject: Re: Pegs, revisited
>
> To the contrary, ebony is a very smo
uot;lute list" ; "Tony Chalkley"
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> This is the major problem with using ebony for pegs. Ebony is very gritty
> wood and actually acts like little rat tailed file in making the peg box
warping.
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Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 4:45 AM
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> On the question of bushings, these are a standard repair for violins. The
> ebony will always wear the maple to produce
Jon Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Dana,
>
> Very informative Dana, thank you. BTW, I'm not sure why I said that the
> pegbox and the peg wouldn't grab if they were the same material.
The issue, as I understand it, is for the microstructures of each material to
be
sufficiently different t
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>Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 10:45:25 +0100
>
>>On the question of bushings, these are a standard repair for
>violins. The
>>ebony will always wear the maple to produce bigg
gt;>suit the pegbox. At a push, they could be considered decorative.
>>
>>Tony
>>
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>>To: "Dana Emery" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
>>Sent: Tuesday, March
, and the thickness could be adjusted to
suit the pegbox. At a push, they could be considered decorative.
Tony
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To: "Dana Emery" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005
Dana,
Very informative Dana, thank you. BTW, I'm not sure why I said that the
pegbox and the peg wouldn't grab if they were the same material. I was
thinking of wood, and as that is (more or less, depending on the wood)
hygroscopic then both pegbox and peg will swell and and shrink under the
same
A good number of years ago a bass violist I played with had some
kind of red plastic bushings installed in the peg holes of the tuning head
of her viol. I believe the idea was to reduce wear on the pegs and produce
a smoother tuning action. It was a costly job, since the peg holes each ha
Jon Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> I agree with the comments on friction and
> Delrin. Guitar tuning machines would be a good solution for the lute, and
> shouldn't affect the sound.
delrin is a bad idea on several grounds, one not yet mentioned, it is soft
enough
to be subject to surface
he exact frequencies recorded by the electronic tuner that hear the
sound. I use my tuner for my harp as I need to tune 52 strings, but I use
the tuning fork and my ears for the lute. Nothing is perfect, particularly
music.
Best, Jon
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ED] (David Cameron)
>To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
>Subject: Re: Pegs, revisited
>Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 11:58:48 -0500
>
>>Timothy Motz wrote:
>>
>>"Craig,
>>You and Steve are probably right about both the friction and
>>flexibility. My next though
Timothy Motz wrote:
"Craig,
You and Steve are probably right about both the friction and
flexibility. My next thought would be to insert Delrin bushings in
the peg head. I'll probably never do it, but I can't resist
tinkering with things"
I don't understand why the lower friction of the De
of the peg-head, I had to put a center piece in the
head to accept the tips of the pegs. People thought it was clever,
but it still looked strange.
Tim
>
>
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>Subject: Re: Pegs, revisited
>Da
Tim,
I think you will find that Delrin is too flexible for pegs. They would
probably twist along their length as you tried to turn the peg.
Craig
Craig R. Pierpont
Another Era Lutherie
www.anotherera.com
Timothy Motz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
It did occur to me to wonder if pegs turned o
Hi Jon,
I finished my pegs this weekend. Even a small adjustment to the
template on the Vega duplicator seems to make a big difference in how
it cuts a peg. I eventually got it adjusted so that the taper of the
peg was about right. That plus a less aggressive approach to shaving
(the pegs,
Just to pass on a moment of joy. Tonight I turned a short (6cm shaft) test
peg from cocobolo. (The blocks I was able to get are 15" long, so there is a
3" wastage that I'm using for practice). I opened a beer, turned on the TV,
and sat with my home made shaper grinding away. As I got the rough peg
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