antonio -
in fairness, i never got an answer in the 1st round of
correspondence; you said the charango was different to
the vihuela de mano but never explained why or how.
be that as it may, in order to prove that "charango"
is merely a quechua name given to the vihuela de mano
i'll have to: (a
Dear all,
Once again .
--- bill kilpatrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> surely this is a case of putting the cart before the
> horse.
If the fact that the violeros knew what name to call
the instruments they made, and designated them with
such names in their own documents, implies pu
You also might try Thomas Walker's (1968) 'Ciaccona and Passacaglia:
Remarks on their Origin and Early History', JAMS 21/3
L.
Fossum, Arthur wrote:
>I will try to track down Richard Hudson's studies( thanks Antonio)
>
>-Arthur
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I will try to track down Richard Hudson's studies( thanks Antonio)
-Arthur
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> Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 2:36 AM
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> lute related, maybe
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> Dear all,
>
>
> --- Carl Donsbach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Early col
surely this is a case of putting the cart before the
horse.
- precisely what changes were made to the vihuela de
mano that required it having a new name?
- at what point do derivations - alternative tunings,
decorative embellishments, different building
materials - necessitate this change?
No charangos (or cuatros or any other derivation
whatsoever). And these deluded buggers surely knew how
to name the instruments they made.
Antonio
--- bill kilpatrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> --- Antonio Corona <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Incidentally, the Spanish "Ordenanzas de
> vi
ve been wrong in the past :)
-Arthur
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>>=20
>> How come "pas de passacalle" is in Feuillet's Choregraphie from
1713?
Evidently by that time the French had created a dance
Caroline Usher wrote:
> The passacaglia is not a dance.
Arthur Fossum wrote:
> How come "pas de passacalle" is in Feuillet's Choregraphie from 1713?
Probably because it was a dance at the time. If a musical form hangs around
for a century or two, any statement about what it "is" will be peril
>>=20
>> How come "pas de passacalle" is in Feuillet's Choregraphie from 1713?
Evidently by that time the French had created a dance for it, possibly an=
outgrowth of its use in stage and/or chamber music:
"In France the Hispanic-Italian passacaglia, like the chaconne, was=
transformed during
> -Original Message-
> From: Fossum, Arthur
> Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 12:01 PM
> To: 'Caroline Usher'
> Subject: RE: Renaissance America - a little more lute related, maybe
>
> How come "pas de passacalle" is in Feuillet's Chor
At 10:41 AM 12/10/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>Obviously as a musical form Ciacona and Passacaglia are different. I
>think the website is calling them similar as respect to the dance steps.
>I would like to know the source as well for " F.A. Ciacone"
The passacaglia is not a dance. From the New Grove
I agree with Caroline,
Ciaccona is not equal to Passacaglia, the Sigr. Ciacone is not more palusible
than Sig. Passo Emezzo or Ms Folia...
Paolo
> At 09:21 AM 12/10/2004 -0500, you wrote:
> >Some interesting stuff regarding the origin of Chaconne and Passacaglia
> >and the new world.
> >
> >h
--On Friday, December 10, 2004 7:27 AM -0800 Howard Posner
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Carl Donsbach wrote:
>
>> Early colonial life was hard! The early English and Spanish colonies in
>> North America were not characterized by much musical cultural growth, and
>> there is little evidence of lu
I thought it might be a spoof, but a visit to the home page, "dedicated to
the dancers of 'West Coast Swing' and its variants" indicates that the
writers are just out of their element.
Caroline Usher wrote:
> At 09:21 AM 12/10/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>> Some interesting stuff regarding the origin
nt: Friday, December 10, 2004 9:37 AM
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At 09:21 AM 12/10/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>Some interesting stuff regarding the origin of Chaconne and Passacaglia
>and the new world.
>
>http://www.st
Carl Donsbach wrote:
> Early colonial life was hard! The early English and Spanish colonies in
> North America were not characterized by much musical cultural growth, and
> there is little evidence of lute playing or making in those times. Musical
> instruments (lutes included) tended to get lef
At 09:21 AM 12/10/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>Some interesting stuff regarding the origin of Chaconne and Passacaglia
>and the new world.
>
>http://www.streetswing.com/histmain/z3chacna.htm
From this website: "The Chacona (a.k.a. Passacaglia), is considered a Spanish
Folk dance but originally came
: Renaissance america - a little more lute related, maybe
Dear all,
--- Carl Donsbach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Early colonial life was hard! The early English and
> Spanish colonies in
> North America were not characterized by much musical
> cultural growth, and
>
--- Antonio Corona <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Incidentally, the Spanish "Ordenanzas de violeros",
> that is, the regulations of the guild of
> vihuela-makers (who also made lutes), first
> published
> in Seville in 1502, were reprinted verbatim for the
> guild of Mexican "violeros" in 1568. Th
Dear all,
--- Carl Donsbach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Early colonial life was hard! The early English and
> Spanish colonies in
> North America were not characterized by much musical
> cultural growth, and
> there is little evidence of lute playing or making
> in those times. Musical
convent and Congo Square are just a few blocks from where I'm typing
this message, btw.
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Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 4:51 PM
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Subject: Re: Renaissance america - a little more
Renaissance
america - a little more lute related, maybe
Thoughts, random and disjointed...
Early colonial life was hard! The early English and Spanish colonies in
North America were not characterized by much musical cultural growth, and
there is little evidence of lute playing or making in those times. Musical
instruments (lutes included) tended t
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