Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
Helge Hafting wrote:
Again - default being different does not force us to use
a different UI for it. The word itself is different - I think that is
enough.
Then why are we all discussing this issue then ? ;-)
I see the smiley, but still:
It _is_ ok to stuff slightly
Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
Helge Hafting wrote:
Again - default being "different" does not force us to use
a different UI for it. The word itself is different - I think that is
enough.
Then why are we all discussing this issue then ? ;-)
I see the smiley, but still:
It _is_ ok to stuff
Edwin Leuven wrote:
Richard Heck wrote:
be the Default for that paragraph. The reason to make this distinction
is that it is one thing to say, Give this paragraph the default
alignment, whatever that is and another to say, Make this paragraph
fully justified, no matter what. The difference will
Helge Hafting wrote:
Most of the time, I don't use the alignment settings at all,
of course. I do change paragraph types though.
Not having to change alignment when changing paragraph types
is very nice.
in these cases there is no difference between the implementation i suggested
and the
Edwin Leuven wrote:
Alfredo Braunstein wrote:
It has become sort of a religious issue
lyx has a tendency to put a stupid button, checkbox you name it for
whatever stupid thing that is around. in the end you get a bad,
cluttered ui...
(i this respect i think i compared lyx to a x-mas tree
Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
Edwin Leuven wrote:
Alfredo Braunstein wrote:
It has become sort of a religious issue
lyx has a tendency to put a stupid button, checkbox you name it for
whatever stupid thing that is around. in the end you get a bad,
cluttered ui...
(i this respect i think i
Helge Hafting wrote:
Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
Edwin Leuven wrote:
that is a question of ui design and is orthogonal to what i am
proposing. i think for this there should be a reset button...
This is a sensible suggestion IMHO. As we all agree that Default is
somewhat a different setting
Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
I would miss the possibility to reset a bunch of paragraphs to
default though
that is a question of ui design and is orthogonal to what i am
proposing. i think for this there should be a reset button...
This is a sensible suggestion IMHO. As we all agree that Default is
Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
Helge Hafting wrote:
If the layout is then changed to Title, then the box
will say
o default (center)
o justified
o right
o center
o left
This way you see clearly whether the alignment is explicit or at its
default - and everything (including default) can be set with a
Richard Heck wrote:
Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
Helge Hafting wrote:
If the layout is then changed to Title, then the box
will say
o default (center)
o justified
o right
o center
o left
This way you see clearly whether the alignment is explicit or at its
default - and everything (including
Leuven, E. wrote:
it will stick in many cases in my implementation, and it won't always stick in
the current implementation
It may not happen very often that you need to set the alignment to the
option that is already the default, there still is an important
difference between the default
Richard Heck wrote:
Some people have seen this, for sure, but I don't think the costs of
that are being properly appreciated.
i see it, but i think that these costs (or the benefits) are overstated
by you guys...
There are plenty of cases, even if they are not extremely common,
where it
Richard == Richard Heck [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Richard Please read this exchange carefully. Helge said, This way
Richard you see clearly whether the alignment is explicit or at its
Richard default. The proposal you are endorsing does not do this:
Richard There's only the one button, Default
Edwin Leuven wrote:
Richard Heck wrote:
be the Default for that paragraph. The reason to make this distinction
is that it is one thing to say, "Give this paragraph the default
alignment, whatever that is" and another to say, "Make this paragraph
fully justified, no matter what". The difference
Helge Hafting wrote:
> Most of the time, I don't use the alignment settings at all,
> of course. I do change paragraph types though.
> Not having to change alignment when changing paragraph types
> is very nice.
in these cases there is no difference between the implementation i suggested
and the
Edwin Leuven wrote:
Alfredo Braunstein wrote:
It has become sort of a religious issue
lyx has a tendency to put a stupid button, checkbox you name it for
whatever stupid thing that is around. in the end you get a bad,
cluttered ui...
(i this respect i think i compared lyx to a x-mas tree
Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
Edwin Leuven wrote:
Alfredo Braunstein wrote:
It has become sort of a religious issue
lyx has a tendency to put a stupid button, checkbox you name it for
whatever stupid thing that is around. in the end you get a bad,
cluttered ui...
(i this respect i think i
Helge Hafting wrote:
Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
Edwin Leuven wrote:
that is a question of ui design and is orthogonal to what i am
proposing. i think for this there should be a reset button...
This is a sensible suggestion IMHO. As we all agree that "Default" is
somewhat a different setting
Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
I would miss the possibility to reset a bunch of paragraphs to
default though
that is a question of ui design and is orthogonal to what i am
proposing. i think for this there should be a reset button...
This is a sensible suggestion IMHO. As we all agree that "Default"
Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
Helge Hafting wrote:
If the layout is then changed to "Title", then the box
will say
o default (center)
o justified
o right
o center
o left
This way you see clearly whether the alignment is explicit or at its
default - and everything (including default) can be set with
Richard Heck wrote:
Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
Helge Hafting wrote:
If the layout is then changed to "Title", then the box
will say
o default (center)
o justified
o right
o center
o left
This way you see clearly whether the alignment is explicit or at its
default - and everything (including
Leuven, E. wrote:
it will stick in many cases in my implementation, and it won't always stick in
the current implementation
It may not happen very often that you need to set the alignment to the
option that is already the default, there still is an important
difference between the default
Richard Heck wrote:
Some people have seen this, for sure, but I don't think the costs of
that are being properly appreciated.
i see it, but i think that these costs (or the benefits) are overstated
by you guys...
There are plenty of cases, even if they are not extremely common,
where it
> "Richard" == Richard Heck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Richard> Please read this exchange carefully. Helge said, "This way
Richard> you see clearly whether the alignment is explicit or at its
Richard> default". The proposal you are endorsing does not do this:
Richard> There's only the one
Richard Heck wrote:
be the Default for that paragraph. The reason to make this distinction
is that it is one thing to say, Give this paragraph the default
alignment, whatever that is and another to say, Make this paragraph
fully justified, no matter what. The difference will only show up in
Alfredo Braunstein wrote:
It has become sort of a religious issue
lyx has a tendency to put a stupid button, checkbox you name it for
whatever stupid thing that is around. in the end you get a bad,
cluttered ui...
(i this respect i think i compared lyx to a x-mas tree once)
so it has
Alfredo Braunstein wrote:
i also think that non-latex users have a reflex to set things explicitly
and will therefore abuse the dialog to set paragraphs to justified even
though it is the default etc.
In that sense maybe the old interface (Default checkbox + the rest) was
better? (*ducks*)
Edwin Leuven wrote:
Richard Heck wrote:
be the Default for that paragraph. The reason to make this distinction
is that it is one thing to say, Give this paragraph the default
alignment, whatever that is and another to say, Make this paragraph
fully justified, no matter what. The difference
Richard Heck wrote:
be the Default for that paragraph. The reason to make this distinction
is that it is one thing to say, "Give this paragraph the default
alignment, whatever that is" and another to say, "Make this paragraph
fully justified, no matter what". The difference will only show up in
Alfredo Braunstein wrote:
It has become sort of a religious issue
lyx has a tendency to put a stupid button, checkbox you name it for
whatever stupid thing that is around. in the end you get a bad,
cluttered ui...
(i this respect i think i compared lyx to a x-mas tree once)
so it has
Alfredo Braunstein wrote:
i also think that non-latex users have a reflex to set things explicitly
and will therefore abuse the dialog to set paragraphs to justified even
though it is the default etc.
In that sense maybe the old interface ("Default" checkbox + the rest) was
better?
Edwin Leuven wrote:
> Richard Heck wrote:
>> be the Default for that paragraph. The reason to make this distinction
>> is that it is one thing to say, "Give this paragraph the default
>> alignment, whatever that is" and another to say, "Make this paragraph
>> fully justified, no matter what". The
Slight update...
Contrary to what I said in a previous message, completing the reworking
of the Paragraph Settings dialog isn't terribly difficult. Here's the
issue: In this dialog---both before the most recent patch and since it,
though there was some disagreement about this---we distinguish
Slight update...
Contrary to what I said in a previous message, completing the reworking
of the Paragraph Settings dialog isn't terribly difficult. Here's the
issue: In this dialog---both before the most recent patch and since it,
though there was some disagreement about this---we distinguish
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