On 2012-10-17, Tommaso Cucinotta wrote:
> On 17/10/12 11:26, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
>> Marginal notes and footnotes are conceptually different to the
>> LyX notes, despite the similar name. LyX notes are rather editiorial
>> tools (adressed at the author/editor; except for "greyed out maybe,
>>
Tommaso Cucinotta wrote:
> What about "Version Control" operations ? They probably affect the whole
> document, so move them to Document ? However, it's quite common to find
> that stuff under "File".
No, this really belongs to file, not to the document content.
> Again, inserting figures is ve
Le 18/10/2012 11:34, Liviu Andronic a écrit :
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 7:45 AM, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
I wonder if the term "Annotation" for LyX Notes and comments would be
better. I think less people would associate that with footnotes and
marginal notes.
Actually this would be a good idea
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 7:45 AM, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
> I wonder if the term "Annotation" for LyX Notes and comments would be
> better. I think less people would associate that with footnotes and
> marginal notes.
>
Actually this would be a good idea.
> How are these things called in Word P
2012/10/18 Jürgen Spitzmüller :
> How are these things called in Word Processors and PDF Readers in English UIs?
"Comments", AFAICS.
Jürgen
2012/10/18 Jean-Marc Lasgouttes :
> Yes, but the point is that there is note and note. I agree that our current
> UI is not very good at separating the two (markup vs author annotation), but
> it is not a reason for making this worse.
I wonder if the term "Annotation" for LyX Notes and comments wo
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 12:15 AM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
wrote:
> But knowing which one of pane or panel is more suited to UI is more
> delicate.
>
I'm no native English speaker either, but from my experience with FOSS
programs the Source and Messages thingies that LyX has are 'panes'.
However the
On 18/10/2012 11:15 a.m., Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
Le 15/10/12 22:41, Andrew Parsloe a écrit :
Anyone who can drop "pleonastic" into a sentence hardly needs a native
English speaker.
Well I am able to check in a dictionary that the French word
"pléonastique" actually translates to English (
Le 18/10/12 00:40, Tommaso Cucinotta a écrit :
On 17/10/12 23:19, Tommaso Cucinotta wrote:
On 17/10/12 11:26, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
For my lectures, I use marginal notes quite a lot, and I would be
quite annoyed if they wouldn't be easily reachable anymore (via
Alt+E+R in my German l7n curr
On 17/10/12 23:19, Tommaso Cucinotta wrote:
On 17/10/12 11:26, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
For my lectures, I use marginal notes quite a lot, and I would be
quite annoyed if they wouldn't be easily reachable anymore (via
Alt+E+R in my German l7n currently).
Further alternative/proposal: what abo
Le 18/10/12 00:30, Tommaso Cucinotta a écrit :
Do you mean: moving "Insert->Branch" to document ? AFAIU, it's really a
local edit, so it should stay in Insert.
Yes.
What about "Version Control" operations ? They probably affect the whole
document, so move them to Document ? However, it's quit
On 09/10/12 14:44, Charles de Miramon wrote:
Like Pavel, I find the Insert menu too long. Maybe, everything that relates
to the life cycle of the document (annotations, branches) could go into
'Document'
Do you mean: moving "Insert->Branch" to document ? AFAIU, it's really a
local edit, so it
On 17/10/12 11:26, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
Marginal notes and footnotes are conceptually different to the
LyX notes, despite the similar name. LyX notes are rather editiorial
tools (adressed at the author/editor; except for "greyed out maybe,
which is a problematic case in itself). Footnotes, e
Le 15/10/12 22:41, Andrew Parsloe a écrit :
Anyone who can drop "pleonastic" into a sentence hardly needs a native
English speaker.
Well I am able to check in a dictionary that the French word
"pléonastique" actually translates to English (it looks like it comes
from English actually). But of
Le 17/10/2012 12:26, Jürgen Spitzmüller a écrit :
Agreed. Marginal notes and footnotes are conceptually different to the
LyX notes, despite the similar name. LyX notes are rather editiorial
tools (adressed at the author/editor; except for "greyed out maybe,
which is a problematic case in itself).
2012/10/17 Pavel Sanda:
> Tommaso Cucinotta wrote:
>> However, nobody seems to care about "marginal note". So, I would readily
>> move it to the Insert->Note sub-menu. At least, it will be 1 less entry in
>> the "crowded" Insert menu.
>
> I think margin/foot note should be rather coupled together..
Le 17/10/2012 10:30, Pavel Sanda a écrit :
Tommaso Cucinotta wrote:
However, nobody seems to care about "marginal note". So, I would readily
move it to the Insert->Note sub-menu. At least, it will be 1 less entry in
the "crowded" Insert menu.
I think margin/foot note should be rather coupled t
Tommaso Cucinotta wrote:
> However, nobody seems to care about "marginal note". So, I would readily
> move it to the Insert->Note sub-menu. At least, it will be 1 less entry in
> the "crowded" Insert menu.
I think margin/foot note should be rather coupled together...
> I also noticed that the [
On 11/10/12 17:48, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
2012/10/11 Pavel Sanda :
Tommaso Cucinotta wrote:
-) move Marginal note (and Footnote ?) to Insert->Note sub-menu
Footnote to submenu? No please (this is a too important feature).
So, the footnote seems critical and everyone wants it very handy. N
On 13/10/12 10:42, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
Messages should be renamed "message pane" (panel?)
so it is now ("pane")
LaTeX source => "LaTeX Source Pane"
it doesn't show merely latex (even though it might be considered the
main functionality), but also various other formats, which, ehm..
On 15/10/12 21:41, Andrew Parsloe wrote:
The New Oxf. Dict. gives the familiar computer usage against "pane"
and no such use against "panel" (but my copy of the dictionary dates
from the 1990s). This suggests (but not strongly) that "pane" should
be used.
Pushed a couple of commits, let's see
Guenter Milde wrote:
>However, I strongly suggest to rename it to something less missleading
> than "short title".
The often-discussed solution is outlined here:
http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/6753#comment:2
I'll try to get this done for 2.1.
Jürgen
On 2012-10-11, Kornel Benko wrote:
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> Am Donnerstag, 11. Oktober 2012 um 17:33:19, schrieb Pavel Sanda
>
>> Tommaso Cucinotta wrote:
>> > -) move Marginal note (and Footnote ?) to Insert->Note sub-menu
>>
>> Knowing well that I'm opening pandora b
On 15/10/2012 10:45 p.m., Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
Le 13/10/2012 20:43, Tommaso Cucinotta a écrit :
On 13/10/12 19:38, Tommaso Cucinotta wrote:
On 13/10/12 10:42, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
I also agree that moving document view/update to Document makes
sense: they do not fit the definit
Le 13/10/2012 20:43, Tommaso Cucinotta a écrit :
On 13/10/12 19:38, Tommaso Cucinotta wrote:
On 13/10/12 10:42, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
I also agree that moving document view/update to Document makes
sense: they do not fit the definition above.
I think we should proceed in a quasi-reversib
Am Samstag, 13. Oktober 2012 um 19:43:48, schrieb Tommaso Cucinotta
> On 13/10/12 19:38, Tommaso Cucinotta wrote:
> > On 13/10/12 10:42, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
> >> I also agree that moving document view/update to Document makes
> >> sense: they do not fit the definition above.
> >>
> >> I
On 13/10/12 19:38, Tommaso Cucinotta wrote:
On 13/10/12 10:42, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
I also agree that moving document view/update to Document makes
sense: they do not fit the definition above.
I think we should proceed in a quasi-reversible fashion: do small
uncontroversial changes fir
On 13/10/12 10:42, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
I also agree that moving document view/update to Document makes sense:
they do not fit the definition above.
I think we should proceed in a quasi-reversible fashion: do small
uncontroversial changes first instead of trying a revolution.
Absolute
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
> Le 13/10/2012 01:21, Tommaso Cucinotta a écrit :
>> On 30/09/12 00:17, Tommaso Cucinotta wrote:
>>> Let me propose to rework the menus arrangement:
>>>
>>> -) move Outline from Document to View menu
>
> I would not oppose to that: View is related to showing or hiding U
Le 13/10/2012 01:21, Tommaso Cucinotta a écrit :
On 30/09/12 00:17, Tommaso Cucinotta wrote:
Let me propose to rework the menus arrangement:
-) move Outline from Document to View menu
I would not oppose to that: View is related to showing or hiding UI
elements: outline, messages, latex sourc
On 30/09/12 00:17, Tommaso Cucinotta wrote:
Let me propose to rework the menus arrangement:
-) move Outline from Document to View menu
e.g.: bug #7603
T.
Pavel Sanda wrote:
> Yes I expected something like this
And I did not even start to read to whole thread.
Jürgen
Le 11/10/12 20:42, Pavel Sanda a écrit :
Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
moving often used entries to submenu is not good idea.
So I would be rather careful what other people think about it.
hear, hear.
Yes I expected something like this :)
How difficult would it be to collect informati
Le 11/10/12 17:42, Liviu Andronic a écrit :
However I'm not sure about moving it to submenu as you proposed.
If you use crossref/label or citations often it could be PITA for many
users ;)
If you really use this often, you're likely to use the toolbar buttons
instead of the menu.
K
Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
> >moving often used entries to submenu is not good idea.
> > So I would be rather careful what other people think about it.
>
> hear, hear.
Yes I expected something like this :)
Pavel
Am Donnerstag, 11. Oktober 2012 um 17:33:19, schrieb Pavel Sanda
> Tommaso Cucinotta wrote:
> > -) move Marginal note (and Footnote ?) to Insert->Note sub-menu
>
>
> Knowing well that I'm opening pandora box and risking subsequent flames
> when it comes to Insert menu we could
> a) hide not
2012/10/11 Liviu Andronic :
>> (do you see the reason behind horizontal line after nomeclature?)
>> However I'm not sure about moving it to submenu as you proposed.
>> If you use crossref/label or citations often it could be PITA for many
>> users ;)
>>
> If you really use this often,
2012/10/11 Pavel Sanda :
> Tommaso Cucinotta wrote:
>> -) move Marginal note (and Footnote ?) to Insert->Note sub-menu
Footnote to submenu? No please (this is a too important feature).
> Knowing well that I'm opening pandora box and risking subsequent flames
> when it comes to Insert menu we coul
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 5:33 PM, Pavel Sanda wrote:
> Tommaso Cucinotta wrote:
>> -) move Marginal note (and Footnote ?) to Insert->Note sub-menu
>
>
> Knowing well that I'm opening pandora box and risking subsequent flames
> when it comes to Insert menu we could
> a) hide not so often used e
Tommaso Cucinotta wrote:
> -) move Marginal note (and Footnote ?) to Insert->Note sub-menu
Knowing well that I'm opening pandora box and risking subsequent flames
when it comes to Insert menu we could
a) hide not so often used entries somewhere
- Date ->?
- Short Title -> Float (I believ
On 02/10/12 02:57, Pavel Sanda wrote:
The problem is that there are usually many diverging opinions.
so it seems.
It might be better
to make more brief Insert than dissolve Document into Edit/Insert.
ok, for what it matters, a few less disruptive proposals:
-) aggregate insertion of referenc
Pavel Sanda wrote:
> Pavel Sanda wrote:
>> Well, he launches it and discovers that his Office has similar order as
>> his
>
> s/Office/LyX/
>
>> Office (just tried here): File, Edit, View, Insert, Format (mixture of
>> our text style and Doc settings), Table, Tools, Windows, Help.
>>
>> Pavel
Le 02/10/12 00:25, Tommaso Cucinotta a écrit :
I can only repeat myself:
"Shortly, whatever can be shown or hidden is in View, whatever can be
edited is in Edit or Insert."
I would say:
- whatever is related to editing at cursor position is in edit
- whatever is related to the whole document is
Pavel Sanda wrote:
> Well, he launches it and discovers that his Office has similar order as his
s/Office/LyX/
> Office (just tried here): File, Edit, View, Insert, Format (mixture of our
> text
> style and Doc settings), Table, Tools, Windows, Help.
>
> Pavel
Tommaso Cucinotta wrote:
> I can only repeat myself:
> "Shortly, whatever can be shown or hidden is in View, whatever can be
> edited is in Edit or Insert."
>
> For example, in the current menus, I can insert a TOC from Insert->..., but
> an appendix from Document->...
It is rather toggling than
On 01/10/12 10:04, Pavel Sanda wrote:
Tommaso Cucinotta wrote:
-) kill the Document menu
Most of the movements look like being enforced by the idea of killing Document
menu. What is the rationale for it? The distinction looks clear to me - Edit
deals with the actual content of the document, whi
Tommaso Cucinotta wrote:
> -) kill the Document menu
Most of the movements look like being enforced by the idea of killing Document
menu. What is the rationale for it? The distinction looks clear to me - Edit
deals with the actual content of the document, while Document with document
as a whole.
Let me propose to rework the menus arrangement:
-) move "new window" and "close window" from the File to the View menu
-) move the Insert menu right after the Edit one, so to keep editing
actions closer to each other
-) in View menu, clearly separate entries that affect the way LyX
appears, fro
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