Re: I would sell my stocks in MacKichan Software, Inc.

2007-05-16 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Andreas == Andreas K [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Andreas Well, the problem is that as it is now (LyX 1.5.0beta2), Andreas change tracking is available from the menu, but math is only Andreas available from the toolbars, which are not shown by default. Andreas Using LyX for the first time and

Re: I would sell my stocks in MacKichan Software, Inc.

2007-05-16 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Andreas" == Andreas K <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Andreas> Well, the problem is that as it is now (LyX 1.5.0beta2), Andreas> change tracking is available from the menu, but math is only Andreas> available from the toolbars, which are not shown by default. Andreas> Using LyX for the first

Re: I would sell my stocks in MacKichan Software, Inc.

2007-05-15 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Tue, May 15, 2007 at 07:55:03AM +0200, Jan Peters wrote: Also selecting the row with the mouse cursor or using the shift-cursor keys, and THEN pressing delete has no effect. That should always delete the row - or give an error message if impossible. Put that as feature request on bugzilla

Re: I would sell my stocks in MacKichan Software, Inc.

2007-05-15 Thread Martin Vermeer
On Tue, 15 May 2007 08:22:20 +0200 Andre Poenitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, May 15, 2007 at 07:55:03AM +0200, Jan Peters wrote: Also selecting the row with the mouse cursor or using the shift-cursor keys, and THEN pressing delete has no effect. That should always delete the row - or

Re: I would sell my stocks in MacKichan Software, Inc.

2007-05-15 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Martin Vermeer wrote: On Tue, 15 May 2007 08:22:20 +0200 Andre Poenitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, May 15, 2007 at 07:55:03AM +0200, Jan Peters wrote: Also selecting the row with the mouse cursor or using the shift-cursor keys, and THEN pressing delete has no effect. That should always

Re: I would sell my stocks in MacKichan Software, Inc.

2007-05-15 Thread Helge Hafting
Bo Peng wrote: Right now, they also still have some big advantages, e.g., entering equations is still much easier/more natural and the symbolic math is much more complete. Two big things: 1. computer algebraic system. Not a big deal but some people like it a lot. LyX have had that for

Re: I would sell my stocks in MacKichan Software, Inc.

2007-05-15 Thread Jan Peters
On Tue, May 15, 2007 at 07:55:03AM +0200, Jan Peters wrote: Also selecting the row with the mouse cursor or using the shift-cursor keys, and THEN pressing delete has no effect. That should always delete the row - or give an error message if impossible. Put that as feature request on bugzilla

Re: I would sell my stocks in MacKichan Software, Inc.

2007-05-15 Thread Martin Vermeer
On Tue, 15 May 2007 11:02:12 +0200 Abdelrazak Younes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martin Vermeer wrote: On Tue, 15 May 2007 08:22:20 +0200 Andre Poenitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, May 15, 2007 at 07:55:03AM +0200, Jan Peters wrote: Also selecting the row with the mouse cursor or

Re: I would sell my stocks in MacKichan Software, Inc.

2007-05-15 Thread Martin Vermeer
On Tue, 15 May 2007 14:21:48 +0200 Jan Peters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... Guys, if you do this, LyX will always remain only for a limited class of people which would not even include high school math teachers. Do you really want that? LyX needs to avoid all special key combinations -

Re: I would sell my stocks in MacKichan Software, Inc.

2007-05-15 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Jan Peters wrote: On Tue, May 15, 2007 at 07:55:03AM +0200, Jan Peters wrote: Also selecting the row with the mouse cursor or using the shift-cursor keys, and THEN pressing delete has no effect. That should always delete the row - or give an error message if impossible. Put that as

Re: I would sell my stocks in MacKichan Software, Inc.

2007-05-15 Thread Helge Hafting
Jan Peters wrote: On Tue, May 15, 2007 at 07:55:03AM +0200, Jan Peters wrote: Also selecting the row with the mouse cursor or using the shift-cursor keys, and THEN pressing delete has no effect. That should always delete the row - or give an error message if impossible. Put that as

Re: I would sell my stocks in MacKichan Software, Inc.

2007-05-15 Thread christian . ridderstrom
On Tue, 15 May 2007, Helge Hafting wrote: I am a strong believer in LyX and the concept WYSWIM. But the breakthrough for LyX will ONLY come if we get a fair quota among first time users. Two years ago, we required our masters students in CS545 to submit Latex typesetted homework. I

Re: I would sell my stocks in MacKichan Software, Inc.

2007-05-15 Thread Andreas K .
Martin Vermeer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, 15 May 2007 14:21:48 +0200 Jan Peters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LyX needs to avoid all special key combinations - right now it easier to get started with Word, so many people use it even knowing the alternative! LyX needs more users in

Re: I would sell my stocks in MacKichan Software, Inc.

2007-05-15 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Andreas == Andreas K [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Andreas Then they get frustrated, closes LyX and uninstalls it. It Andreas is better to have the math toolbars visible from the Andreas beginning, and then if somoen only want them to pop up when Andreas they are needed, he could choose this

Re: I would sell my stocks in MacKichan Software, Inc.

2007-05-15 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Tue, May 15, 2007 at 01:00:46PM +0200, Helge Hafting wrote: Bo Peng wrote: Right now, they also still have some big advantages, e.g., entering equations is still much easier/more natural and the symbolic math is much more complete. Two big things: 1. computer algebraic system. Not

Re: I would sell my stocks in MacKichan Software, Inc.

2007-05-15 Thread Andreas K .
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Andreas == Andreas K [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Andreas Then they get frustrated, closes LyX and uninstalls it. It Andreas is better to have the math toolbars visible from the Andreas beginning, and then if somoen only want them to pop up

Re: I would sell my stocks in MacKichan Software, Inc.

2007-05-15 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Tue, May 15, 2007 at 07:55:03AM +0200, Jan Peters wrote: > Also selecting the row with the mouse cursor or using the shift-cursor > keys, and THEN pressing delete has no effect. That should always > delete the row - or give an error message if impossible. Put that as feature request on

Re: I would sell my stocks in MacKichan Software, Inc.

2007-05-15 Thread Martin Vermeer
On Tue, 15 May 2007 08:22:20 +0200 Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, May 15, 2007 at 07:55:03AM +0200, Jan Peters wrote: > > Also selecting the row with the mouse cursor or using the shift-cursor > > keys, and THEN pressing delete has no effect. That should always > > delete the

Re: I would sell my stocks in MacKichan Software, Inc.

2007-05-15 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Martin Vermeer wrote: On Tue, 15 May 2007 08:22:20 +0200 Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tue, May 15, 2007 at 07:55:03AM +0200, Jan Peters wrote: Also selecting the row with the mouse cursor or using the shift-cursor keys, and THEN pressing delete has no effect. That should always

Re: I would sell my stocks in MacKichan Software, Inc.

2007-05-15 Thread Helge Hafting
Bo Peng wrote: Right now, they also still have some big advantages, e.g., entering equations is still much easier/more natural and the symbolic math is much more complete. Two big things: 1. computer algebraic system. Not a big deal but some people like it a lot. LyX have had that for

Re: I would sell my stocks in MacKichan Software, Inc.

2007-05-15 Thread Jan Peters
>> On Tue, May 15, 2007 at 07:55:03AM +0200, Jan Peters wrote: >>> Also selecting the row with the mouse cursor or using the shift-cursor >>> keys, and THEN pressing delete has no effect. That should always >>> delete the row - or give an error message if impossible. >> Put that as feature

Re: I would sell my stocks in MacKichan Software, Inc.

2007-05-15 Thread Martin Vermeer
On Tue, 15 May 2007 11:02:12 +0200 Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Martin Vermeer wrote: > > On Tue, 15 May 2007 08:22:20 +0200 > > Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> On Tue, May 15, 2007 at 07:55:03AM +0200, Jan Peters wrote: > >>> Also selecting the row with the

Re: I would sell my stocks in MacKichan Software, Inc.

2007-05-15 Thread Martin Vermeer
On Tue, 15 May 2007 14:21:48 +0200 Jan Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ... > Guys, if you do this, LyX will always remain only for a limited class of > people > which would not even include high school math teachers. Do you really want > that? > > LyX needs to avoid all special key

Re: I would sell my stocks in MacKichan Software, Inc.

2007-05-15 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Jan Peters wrote: >> On Tue, May 15, 2007 at 07:55:03AM +0200, Jan Peters wrote: >>> Also selecting the row with the mouse cursor or using the shift-cursor >>> keys, and THEN pressing delete has no effect. That should always >>> delete the row - or give an error message if impossible. >> Put

Re: I would sell my stocks in MacKichan Software, Inc.

2007-05-15 Thread Helge Hafting
Jan Peters wrote: >> On Tue, May 15, 2007 at 07:55:03AM +0200, Jan Peters wrote: >>> Also selecting the row with the mouse cursor or using the shift-cursor >>> keys, and THEN pressing delete has no effect. That should always >>> delete the row - or give an error message if impossible. >> Put

Re: I would sell my stocks in MacKichan Software, Inc.

2007-05-15 Thread christian . ridderstrom
On Tue, 15 May 2007, Helge Hafting wrote: I am a strong believer in LyX and the concept WYSWIM. But the breakthrough for LyX will ONLY come if we get a fair quota among first time users. Two years ago, we required our masters students in CS545 to submit Latex typesetted homework. I

Re: I would sell my stocks in MacKichan Software, Inc.

2007-05-15 Thread Andreas K .
Martin Vermeer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > On Tue, 15 May 2007 14:21:48 +0200 > Jan Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > LyX needs to avoid all special key combinations - right now it easier > > to get started > > with Word, so many people use it even knowing the alternative! LyX > > needs

Re: I would sell my stocks in MacKichan Software, Inc.

2007-05-15 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Andreas" == Andreas K <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Andreas> Then they get frustrated, closes LyX and uninstalls it. It Andreas> is better to have the math toolbars visible from the Andreas> beginning, and then if somoen only want them to pop up when Andreas> they are needed, he could

Re: I would sell my stocks in MacKichan Software, Inc.

2007-05-15 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Tue, May 15, 2007 at 01:00:46PM +0200, Helge Hafting wrote: > Bo Peng wrote: > >>Right now, they also still have some big advantages, e.g., entering > >>equations is > >>still much easier/more natural and the symbolic math is much more > >>complete. > > > >Two big things: > > > >1. computer

Re: I would sell my stocks in MacKichan Software, Inc.

2007-05-15 Thread Andreas K .
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > "Andreas" == Andreas K <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Andreas> Then they get frustrated, closes LyX and uninstalls it. It > Andreas> is better to have the math toolbars visible from the > Andreas> beginning, and then if somoen only

I would sell my stocks in MacKichan Software, Inc.

2007-05-14 Thread Andreas Karlsson
... if I had any. I have played around a lot with LyX 1.5.0 beta 2 on Windows XP, and although there still are some shortcomings (as mentioned here: http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-devel@lists.lyx.org/msg116276.html) I am really impressed. LyX 1.5.0 is absolutely awesome! Especially the new

Re: I would sell my stocks in MacKichan Software, Inc.

2007-05-14 Thread Jan Peters
Remember, it should NOT be LyX goal to kill SWP as it is needed both as competition benchmark and in order to make ppl outside academia/OSF environments aware of the WYSWIM concept. Right now, they also still have some big advantages, e.g., entering equations is still much easier/more natural

Re: I would sell my stocks in MacKichan Software, Inc.

2007-05-14 Thread Bo Peng
Right now, they also still have some big advantages, e.g., entering equations is still much easier/more natural and the symbolic math is much more complete. Two big things: 1. computer algebraic system. Not a big deal but some people like it a lot. 2. tex - word conversion. Essential for many

Re: I would sell my stocks in MacKichan Software, Inc.

2007-05-14 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Mon, May 14, 2007 at 04:19:19PM +0200, Jan Peters wrote: Remember, it should NOT be LyX goal to kill SWP as it is needed both as competition benchmark and in order to make ppl outside academia/OSF environments aware of the WYSWIM concept. Right now, they also still have some big

Re: I would sell my stocks in MacKichan Software, Inc.

2007-05-14 Thread Andreas K .
Andre Poenitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, May 14, 2007 at 04:19:19PM +0200, Jan Peters wrote: ... and the symbolic math is much more complete. This is true, and this will stay so for a while I am afraid. It's a lot of grunt work to be done in this area, especially if one wants to

Re: I would sell my stocks in MacKichan Software, Inc.

2007-05-14 Thread Jan Peters
Remember, it should NOT be LyX goal to kill SWP as it is needed both as competition benchmark and in order to make ppl outside academia/OSF environments aware of the WYSWIM concept. Right now, they also still have some big advantages, e.g., entering equations is still much easier/more

Re: I would sell my stocks in MacKichan Software, Inc.

2007-05-14 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Mon, May 14, 2007 at 09:03:18PM +0200, Jan Peters wrote: Remember, it should NOT be LyX goal to kill SWP as it is needed both as competition benchmark and in order to make ppl outside academia/OSF environments aware of the WYSWIM concept. Right now, they also still have some big

Re: I would sell my stocks in MacKichan Software, Inc.

2007-05-14 Thread Jan Peters
For me it does. Place the cursor in the first of #columns empty cells and press 'Delete'. To clear a row, select it, dir 'Delete' to get empty cell, press 'Delete' a second time to remove the row. But isn't that exactly what you could say about unnatural? To delete an empty row while being in

I would sell my stocks in MacKichan Software, Inc.

2007-05-14 Thread Andreas Karlsson
... if I had any. I have played around a lot with LyX 1.5.0 beta 2 on Windows XP, and although there still are some shortcomings (as mentioned here: http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-devel@lists.lyx.org/msg116276.html) I am really impressed. LyX 1.5.0 is absolutely awesome! Especially the new

Re: I would sell my stocks in MacKichan Software, Inc.

2007-05-14 Thread Jan Peters
Remember, it should NOT be LyX goal to kill SWP as it is needed both as competition benchmark and in order to make ppl outside academia/OSF environments aware of the WYSWIM concept. Right now, they also still have some big advantages, e.g., entering equations is still much easier/more natural

Re: I would sell my stocks in MacKichan Software, Inc.

2007-05-14 Thread Bo Peng
Right now, they also still have some big advantages, e.g., entering equations is still much easier/more natural and the symbolic math is much more complete. Two big things: 1. computer algebraic system. Not a big deal but some people like it a lot. 2. tex -> word conversion. Essential for

Re: I would sell my stocks in MacKichan Software, Inc.

2007-05-14 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Mon, May 14, 2007 at 04:19:19PM +0200, Jan Peters wrote: > Remember, it should NOT be LyX goal to kill SWP as it is needed both > as competition benchmark and in order to make ppl outside academia/OSF > environments aware of the WYSWIM concept. > > Right now, they also still have some big

Re: I would sell my stocks in MacKichan Software, Inc.

2007-05-14 Thread Andreas K .
Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > On Mon, May 14, 2007 at 04:19:19PM +0200, Jan Peters wrote: > > ... and the symbolic math is much more complete. > > This is true, and this will stay so for a while I am afraid. It's a lot > of grunt work to be done in this area, especially if one

Re: I would sell my stocks in MacKichan Software, Inc.

2007-05-14 Thread Jan Peters
> Remember, it should NOT be LyX goal to kill SWP as it is needed both > as competition benchmark and in order to make ppl outside academia/OSF > environments aware of the WYSWIM concept. > > Right now, they also still have some big advantages, e.g., entering > equations is still much easier/more

Re: I would sell my stocks in MacKichan Software, Inc.

2007-05-14 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Mon, May 14, 2007 at 09:03:18PM +0200, Jan Peters wrote: > >> Remember, it should NOT be LyX goal to kill SWP as it is needed > >> both as competition benchmark and in order to make ppl outside > >> academia/OSF environments aware of the WYSWIM concept. > >> > >> Right now, they also still have

Re: I would sell my stocks in MacKichan Software, Inc.

2007-05-14 Thread Jan Peters
For me it does. Place the cursor in the first of #columns empty cells and press 'Delete'. To clear a row, select it, dir 'Delete' to get empty cell, press 'Delete' a second time to remove the row. But isn't that exactly what you could say about unnatural? To delete an empty row while being in